What’s It Really like Trying to Find a Job in Australia? – 2015

I should make it clear right up front that I am asking the question, I am not about to answer it. I’m going to try and answer it, or at least throw some light on it, but I certainly can’t answer it from experience.

I haven’t been for a job interview since 1993 and I’ve never been for one here in Australia.

Job InterviewI have looked at the numbers before and they’ve always suggested that finding a job here in Australia is probably easier than is in most other countries.

In 2010 the result was emphatic; Australia appeared to have far more opportunities per capita than the UK. By 2012, the UK job situation had improved slightly while at the same time it was getting a little worse in Australia, but Australia still offered more jobs per capita.

Then about a year ago I wrote a post called Jobs in Australia: A 2014 Update. Job redundancy announcements in Australia were more common by this time and I suggested that any of you seeking to come to this country should consider that “Now is not the time to simply arrive and then start looking for work.

By the time I wrote Job Hunting in Australia and the UK Compared: 2014 it was clear that vacancies were massively on the increase in the UK, my figures suggested 46% up on my 2012 findings. Meanwhile Australian jobs had decreased by 11% over the same for a period.

The trend was clear.

Then last week I wrote a post called Australian and UK Salaries Compared 2015 and as I was looking at the average salaries across various skills for each of our countries, there was another number that kept catching my eye in a rather scary way.

Job vacancies

You see, if you search Adzuna for vacancies in certain skills, not only do they tell you what the average salary is for that skill, but they also let you know exactly how many vacancies they currently have listed for it.

Like this…

UK-vacancies

Australia-vacancies11,336 jobs in the UK for qualified accountants as compared with 246 in Australia?

Can that really be right? Or was it just a freak, some kind of mistake?

So I crunched the numbers.

Job vacancies by occupations Australia and UK compared:

Job Vacancies ComparedNo, not some kind of mistake or a freak, this massive difference in the number of vacancies was repeated across pretty much all professions and skills. In fact, according to Adzuna there are currently just over 1 million jobs available in the UK compared to just 130,000 here in Australia.

So, what’s it really like to find a job in Australia?

There you go, I’m asking the question again. If any of you out there have recent experience in trying to find work here in Australia, we’d love to hear about it in the comments below. Similarly I would also like to hear from any of you in the UK and the USA or wherever you might be; what’s it really like trying to find a job in your country at the moment?

I ask because as regular UK based reader djmcbell commented in last week’s post…

…we are being told that there are jobs going and wages are high, and then seemingly experiencing the opposite. Many of us in the UK haven’t had a wage rise for years – in fact many have had a pay cut – and there are far more applicants for jobs than there are actual jobs.

So the real life experience in the UK doesn’t seem to mirror what people are being told by the media and in the news. So maybe the grim-looking news about job opportunities here in Australia isn’t so bad in reality either?

It certainly looks scary though, and I can imagine anybody moving to Australia right now hoping to find work could be feeling extremely nervous. So if anyone can throw any real information at this and help answer some of the questions I’ve asked in this post, please do comment below.

Update October 2015: Re-Teaching Jobs

Reader Chris made a very interesting point about the vast difference in teacher vacancies, click here to read what he had to say.

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  • jo July 18, 2016, 11:08 am | Link

    There should be plenty of jobs but no one is thinking. The government will not create the jobs of the future we need, instead what it will do is increase the tax and the GST tax grinding the people into poverty, because this is where they want you, helpless and with no hope of getting out of poverty. Australia is stuffed and is being taken over by China very soon you will be kicked out of your own country, if you have the money leave because the country will never have the economy it had in 2007

    • BobinOz July 18, 2016, 3:57 pm | Link

      Thanks for the insight, I’ll start packing now then.

  • Karen June 30, 2016, 4:32 pm | Link

    Hi Bob, thank you for all of the interesting articles, links and so on. I have had a quick read through the posts above to see whether there are any other comments or questions that will help me to make up my mind re a move to Australia, based on work prospects. I was born in Australia but have lived most of my life in the UK, I have citizenship for both and so do my children. I am a mental health nurse with 25 years experience in the NHS. There are many nurse vacancies in the UK right now and I am in a job I love. However, I am getting the call to return to OZ and I wonder how the nursing vacancy situation is over there? There seem to be a fair few agencies trying to recruit from the UK but they appear to be interested in working only with people who need (and will have to pay for) the full support of obtaining Visa’s etc. I was also told by one agency that Western Australia does not ‘like’ UK trained nurses as they are ‘substandard’. While I don’t expect you will have the answers to my question, perhaps you may have some links to suggest or some of your other readers may have experiences they can share with me? Many thanks.

    • BobinOz July 1, 2016, 1:10 am | Link

      This is a very difficult question for me to answer Karen, I just don’t know what the current situation is with jobs for nurses here in Australia at the moment.

      Technically speaking, you should be at an advantage because you don’t need a visa, you have citizenship. I have just gone to my page called Getting a Job or a Sponsorship and search for ‘mental nurse” and 506 vacancies came up.

      That doesn’t sound like a lot to me, but they are all vacancies. If I were you, I’d get searching for these vacancies make contact direct to see what they say about your chances.

      I do understand your concerns and if I were you I would not just come to Australia hoping to find work, unless of course you get some very positive encouragement from the people you speak to when you contact them.

      I wish I did have a contact or a link to suggest you, but like yourself, I’m also a bit sceptical about some of the agencies and how they work, so I’ve never got involved.

      Sorry I couldn’t be more helpful, but good luck, Bob

  • gabe June 28, 2016, 4:27 pm | Link

    finding jobs here are difficult. Pretty much zero licenses are transferable, and employers just never hire.

    I should of stayed home in Canada where there are jobs aplenty, unfortunately now im stuck, i spent a lot of money of a plane ticket here, and a work visa cost me nearly 500.

    Even farm work sucks, the farmers are not nice, and will harass and interrogate you for anything they feel like.

  • Yollipop83 June 27, 2016, 12:08 pm | Link

    I live in Sydney and I have been here since Feb this year. We came over from the UK with my partners job, we both have working visa’s (my partner is a software engineer and I am an Operating Department Practitioner/anaesthetic tech) problem is I can’t get a job as an anaesthetic tech. I have been told from the jobs I have applied for that all though my skills are impressive (10yrs+) they would prefer to hire an Australian citizen /resident. I have applied for sales/retail/care homes/ childcare and nanny position’s/factories for example And I have been rejected from everything one. I have retail experience from when I as a teenager/young adult through uni. I have tweaked my CV and cover letters to suit each roles(no lies). I am at my wit’s end. I have always worked and I am so disheartened that I can’t work here. Any advice? What can I do to improve my chances?

    • BobinOz June 28, 2016, 1:13 am | Link

      I’d say just don’t give up, keep applying for jobs, hopefully you will end up getting something soon. It seems to me that getting that first job is the most important step, once you have done that, things get easier.

      I’m not the best person to ask though, so hopefully somebody else can give you some additional advice. Good luck, Bob

    • Mimi July 25, 2016, 2:44 pm | Link

      Perhaps you can apply to regional areas. From my experience working in Australia on a visa, once you have some Australian work experience it is easier to get the next job. I have not had any problems being hired in regional areas. I have been hired over locals many times. However, besides Perth, I have not worked in the cities and will be moving to Melbourne soon and I do worry about my prospects of finding decent work there. Regarding you applying for retail/care homes/sales etc., if your CV shows you with plenty of experience, they will not consider you. They hire lower skilled, less experienced people for these roles unfortunately (I know because I have been in the hiring position). Aim higher for management roles and you will have more success in my opinion.

  • Harry June 26, 2016, 1:08 am | Link

    Hello All..
    With all these comments and condition’s in Australian Jobs…..What do you think after two years…will this recession come to normal??? 🙁

    • BobinOz June 26, 2016, 10:41 pm | Link

      Leave that one with me, I’ll get back to you with a definitive answer in a couple of years 🙂

  • szrk June 25, 2016, 9:15 am | Link

    Can anyone give me any idea about the difficulty in getting a CA training contract in Australia for foreign immigrants? Will it help if one has Big 4 experience and is a fully qualified member of CPAA?

  • Riz June 17, 2016, 10:12 pm | Link

    Hi guys. I have been looking to find a find a job for some time now from overseas, except for two interviews last year, I haven’t much successful. I am into banking with over 10 years of expereince with one of the largest banks in the world. Wondering if we can generalize that without being in Australia it is extremely difficult to land a job, would still wonder why? I have applied to jobs which are a level or two down but still no luck. Moving to Australia without a job seems such a difficult decision, possibly I will have to; are there any tips as to what I can do to survive till the time I am into a job? How hard is it to get casual work?

    • BobinOz June 18, 2016, 10:22 pm | Link

      I can definitely confirm that it is much harder to find a job in Australia whilst you are not yet here, but I would also add that it is still quite difficult to get a job when you are actually here. If you read the many comments here and elsewhere on this website you will see that so many people have mentioned that employers expect you to have ‘local experience’.

      This means that you’ve had experience working here in Australia before, so the first job is always the hardest to get. That’s all I can tell you, hopefully somebody in your industry will be able to give you some more specific information.

      • Riz June 19, 2016, 7:34 am | Link

        Thanks Bob. So how do you get to survive while you wait for your lucky break? Can one find casual jobs?

        • BobinOz June 19, 2016, 11:42 pm | Link

          Well, I’m not the best person to ask, but other people around this website have mentioned that you need to be prepared to do any kind a job, irrespective of what your skills and qualifications are.

          Even then, there is no guarantee of getting a job, but they are about people do survive.

          • Jason Odlin June 20, 2016, 12:09 am | Link

            May be a stupid question (then again I’ve often been no such thing as a stupid question), when you mention “you need to be prepared to do any kind a job, irrespective of what your skills and qualifications are”. If you come on a permanent residency visa (189 for example), when you nominate an occupation on the SOL, once you arrive are you expected to work in that exact role or can you work in a similar role. For example if I nominate solicitor will I be required to work specifically as a lawyer or would I be able to get work as say a legal executive just to get that foot in the door?

            Also something else that’s been bugging me. Any idea of news on which skills are likely to remain in high demand for the next few years at least, as I know the list is updated every year. I’m currently in training to become a lawyer with a view to moving to Perth or Adelaide in the future, but it’ll be a good few years before I’m fully qualified and eligible for a permanent visa, and obviously I don’t want to be waiting too long and find my occupation is not eligible anymore. I’ve read that commercial legal skills are generally in pretty high demand and should be for the foreseeable future, anybody know if this is true?

            Finally, after my degree I’m thinking of taking a gap year on the working holiday visa to get some experience of Australia and help choose which area may be best for me to go should I look to make the move permanent. Are there any implications a working holiday visa has on permanent residency later on?

            Thanks

            • BobinOz June 20, 2016, 10:54 pm | Link

              As far as I’m aware, there is no requirement to work in any particular occupation for those who qualify for a Permanent Residency visa and I don’t think there would be any harm in you coming here on a WHV if you wanted to, as in no implications.

              But these are questions you should really be asking of a MARA registered migration agent, they understand all of the rules and can guide you properly. As for the skills list, I believe they can change at any time, so there really aren’t any guarantees that any profession will be on there next month let alone next year or in a few years time.

              All you can do is have your fingers crossed.

            • Jay July 25, 2016, 3:31 pm | Link

              I have been in Australia since 2010 when I first did the Working Holiday thing as a graduate. In 2010, there really was a demand for skilled workers, especially in WA. I told all my friends to come to Australia, have some fun and earn good money.

              Fast forward to 2016 and the skills shortage list does not reflect job availability at all (it doesn’t claim to either). I know many qualified nurses and teachers who can not find work, which if you look at the skills list, you would think there would be plenty of jobs for nurses and teachers.

              In the UK, teacher and nursing training is limited to a specific number of students per university each year so they do not exceed demand, however Australian universities do not do this. They take on as many students as possible so there are too many graduates and too few jobs for them.

              I work in the health care sector and I have nurses complaining to me because they are not getting enough hours work. They’re all on Part-Time or Casual contracts too. Unemployment is rising everywhere, there are many skilled workers without jobs and prospects are slim.

              I suspect if you do the working holiday experience, you will only be able to get hospitality/farm work as you will be restricted to working 6 months for any employer. Even hospitality work is difficult to get now. In 2010 right up to 2013, there were hardly any Australians doing hospitality/farm work, it was all foreign backpackers. Now, the majority are Australian with a few backpackers. It has changed a lot in just 6 years.

              Come for the experience but if you have great career prospects at home, then stay home because I have witnessed a lot of skilled people come to Australia in recent years and end up at the bottom of the pile.

              And anyone thinking of studying Accounting to get residency (this is so common for international students from India, China, Africa), think again. That is a money maker for Australia (and Australian universities!). There are little prospects of finding work in that sector. Times have changed and I’m sorry to be negative but it’s the reality.

              • BobinOz July 26, 2016, 12:55 am | Link

                No need to apologise for the negativity Jay, times have changed here and it’s important that people understand that. I’ve noticed the changes myself since I came here late 2007.

                As I think I said in the above article, now is not the time to come to Australia looking for work. I think the safest way to come to Australia at the moment is after securing a job sponsorship here, that way at least you know you have a job to go to.

    • Stephen June 19, 2016, 8:37 am | Link

      Hi Riz

      I was in the same predicament as you a few months back. This is based on my experience, so hopefully it should give you some guidance.

      I had applied to a lot of jobs but was consistently being told that I had to be here to get a job. The good thing was, I was making contact with recruitment agents before I got here. For about 2 weeks after arriving, I basically just met with all of those agents during the day and took on board each of their advice when it came to my application e.g. don’t expect a London salary when you come here, as Bob says local experience is an important perception people have over here (whether it is fair/valid or not is another question). I also sought to expand my network in Australia by joining professional Australian organisations related to my field, and also informally by joining/attending Meetups (it’s an android app used for meeting people with similar interests).

      In my opinion, the key things for you being able to get a job over here are:
      – the city / location, time of year and industry
      – your experience, your CV and your salary expectations
      – connections you make before you come
      – your attitude and how people respond to you

      Right now, in Melbourne anyway, I would say that there are less banking jobs than there have been in the past but I believe that has more to do with changes in that industry than anything else (from what I can see/hear), although there are still jobs going with banks from my last check on seek. It may be different in Sydney, for example, but I know that there is hardly any financial services in other cities (in comparison) like Brisbane.

      People asking the questions on here about making the jump (myself included) tend to want to hear certainty from people who are over here, but it’s impossible to give because there are a lot of different factors. In the end it’s the individual’s decision – I opted to hope for the best but prepare for the worst.

      I know from experience that it is hard to make the jump without knowing you have a job, and for me it is a logical concern to have. I personally would not have came here if I did not have the finances to back me up for a good few months, but that is just me.

      I managed to get a job offer in two weeks of arriving (with another on the way). You could definitely say I was lucky, but I always go with the saying that good luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

      Good Luck!

      Stephen

      • Riz June 19, 2016, 8:46 am | Link

        Hi Stephen,

        Thanks a lot for the very detailed response. You have some pretty good advice out there and I certainly to work it out that way. Are you into banking as well by any chance? The less number of jobs is certainly because of the regulatory environment being tough, and then ofcourse the lackluster economic growth. By the way I was extremely lucky when I applied for my first job like an year ago, I was visiting Australia for 3 weeks and landed up with three straight interviews in less than a week with the same employer, and was about to land up with a job, however, they had to announce a job freeze. Got lucky and unluck at the same time 🙂 Anyway, I am keeping the effort and hoping that somehow I will get my lucky break, I have been to Australia twice and I have absolutely loved it each time!

        • Stephen June 19, 2016, 10:48 am | Link

          Hi Riz

          I work in IT but was working in banking when I left the UK, but I also had experience in other industries like insurance, tourism and healthcare. When I came over here I realised that there had been a slowdown in the banking market, which coincided with my arrival, so my focus was more on getting ‘local experience’.

          There were plenty of jobs in IT, but some paid substantially less than others. Those jobs would have been my fall-back had I not been able to secure another position.

          The job I have is in financial services, but with a global brand, and to be honest career-wise a better job than I was in the UK. The move worked out well for me, and I certainly can’t complain – it’s not something I expected when I came over here.

          I have been here for just over 3 months now, and in all truth and honesty I have not regretted it. It’s not all sunshine and rainbows (especially not in Melbourne!), but the experience has been worth all of the effort.

          I even managed to make a trip to Bob’s neck of the woods last weekend to visit a friend. Even there I was doing things that just aren’t possible where I come from, feeding kangaroos, holding koalas and having a BBQ on the riverside. It’s a completely different way of life. That was always my reason for coming here. Nothing works without getting the job, but when it comes together it is worth it.

          Stephen

          • Riz June 19, 2016, 10:58 am | Link

            Sounds pretty encouraging Steven and I am glad that it worked out for you. Melbourne is a pretty sweet place I must say, I would ride trams all day if I could. My wife is all into wildlife, from stray cats to dolphins to tigers, and obviously likes the place. If I don’t get a job from overseas, then I am burning my boats in May, hopefully that would be a good time for getting recruited. Still waiting to hear how tough is to find a casual job, though I would still an years worth of funds, but I want to spread those out to two years of I can.

            • Stephen June 19, 2016, 11:05 am | Link

              One thing to consider (if you can drive) is Uber. It’s not the ‘best’ way to earn a living but I do know it can be quite popular over here for extra pay when people need it, or to fill in gaps between jobs. But you might want to look into it more (especially regarding any upcoming legislation) – it’s more of an observation from me than anything else.

              I can’t speak for other job types over here, but hope some of what I have said helps.

              All the best

              Stephen

  • Gabriel June 9, 2016, 3:23 pm | Link

    Location Brisbane
    Looking for a permanent job for over 3 and a half months now (since Feb, at the time of writing this is 9th of June) I have been to a lot of interviews, but for some reason no one wants to commit … in gov jobs all are on hold, in the commercial business all are waiting for something… as it is hard to get a final decision… lucky I have a 3 months contract (worst paid you can be) … but it keeps me going… I think I should pack my things and move to UK… here, right now, does not look very good.

    • BobinOz June 9, 2016, 8:59 pm | Link

      Give it time if you can, don’t give up. Maybe the upcoming federal election is making people hesitant. Hope you find something suitable soon.

  • Dream broken lesson learnt June 6, 2016, 10:36 pm | Link

    Dear all,
    Reading all your comments and through my own personal experiences in Perth, I would suggest, please think 100 times before coming to Perth, especially if you have a proper job at the moment. I am living in Perth from 2008 and yes that was a worst time of my life when I came here dreaming of aussie lifestyle. I left my job as a Design engineer in a reputed company in India and came here. To my utter shock there were no jobs here related to my field. I had to work all sorts of odd jobs from warehouse laborer to printing press laborer in night shifts and what not just to survive. Then after couple of years of surviving I got a job in fabrication company as process operator. I have been working since 2010 in this job which gave me a steady income and job security and I appreciate this job for making me save 150k aussie dollars in 6 years. Lessons learnt during my hard days made me save every penny and in this period I kept my physical health intact. I sent all the money to India which is a big money over there. I was trying for design Engineer jobs and i couldnt find it till now. Then one day our company management announced that they are closing Australian operations and we are being made redundant. They gave us 4 weeks notice period and agreed to pay 11 weeks pay in one go. After this job is over I am not very sure whether I will get a job in Perth.
    I took a chance in life, a big risk which I didn’t realize while leaving India. Bad things happened, some good things happened, the outcome is 150k plus 12k AUD, which is a big money to be saved in 8 years, never would have happened if I stayed in India. I will stay for a month in Perth an if I am not able to find a suitable job, I will leave Perth to India as a slightly rich man. This is my story.
    Thanks for reading. I would suggest you make your own choices. Make sure to save money.

    • BobinOz June 7, 2016, 11:39 pm | Link

      Well, at least you have had an adventure and as you say, you’ve made some very good money to send back to India. Of course, the adventure could continue even if you don’t find another job in Perth within a month, we do have other cities where finding a job just might not be so tricky.

      Good luck however it turns out.

  • Linda June 5, 2016, 7:38 pm | Link

    Hi Mandy,
    I refer to your earlier post. You say you live in Canberra. I think you still haven’t found a job? Am I right? Well, my situation is not so great still. I live in Sydney all my life and I’m mature aged, but not to old yet. Found a job NO I wish not at all. I need to look and I returned to TAFE to touch up my skills. Still No success???? Well, this is just office work imagine the system we are in and Australia the luck country? I don’t know about that 🙁 🙁

  • Manu June 4, 2016, 10:48 am | Link

    I have been living in perth since June 2014 and i was very lucky because i found a job and the way to get the visa 186. But now the market is down, i lost my job and also with 15 years of experience in the engineering field i can’t find an other job. What it is weird is that they look for someone with not just australian experience but perth experience for at least 6/8 years! It seems to be a joke. I hope in the future but at the moment i work as a cook in a restaurant for living. The easy Australian life it seems to be just a dream for us.

    • BobinOz June 6, 2016, 5:13 pm | Link

      Perth experience? Crikey, that’s a bit tough! I know Perth seems to be suffering more than most since the downturn, but I hope you find something suitable soon.

  • Tom June 1, 2016, 12:38 am | Link

    Let me give you an example of why it’s so hard as I work in a large corporate. In 2014 there was an administrator manager role advertised that received 90 applications which we thought was phenomenoninal. In December 2015 there was accounts payable and accounts receivable roles advertised each job had around 300-350 applicants.. Do you think every cv was read thoroughly… Key competency only to bring the list down… The thing these are low level accounting roles any of the applicant’s could have done the job, it’s a job for a graduate really, but they have no chance…. Skilled immigration is now hurting everyone in a country that is close to recession, I feel the words skilled migration and 457 visa to fill skill shortages is not only deceptive it’s a blatant lie… There is no shortage of workers there is a real shortage of jobs.. Not all the jobs advertised by recruiters are real either.. So the amount of jobs is even more inaccurate

    • djmcbell June 1, 2016, 7:45 pm | Link

      I have to say that I’ve come across some “fake” job ads (or just ads used by recruiters to get your CV) in my searches. I’ve no idea what it’s like in Australia at the moment (will do in the next few months!) but surely the fact Australia has a points system for migrants will stem the flow at least a bit.

      • BobinOz June 1, 2016, 11:02 pm | Link

        I can see where you are coming from with this one Tom, I spoke to somebody who works in the ‘skilled migration’ industry, and he said the skills lists are always behind the reality by about three years. It’s just the way government works. So they still think it’s 2013!

        So I’m not so sure it’s a lie as such, just more like bad management. Like everything, there are two sides to it as well. People who do qualify for these 457 visas, or any visa attached to a skill that is apparently in shortage, think that when they get here they will find it easy to get a job.

        Why wouldn’t they, the government are saying there is a shortage? But often, there isn’t an they struggle to find work, so it’s bad all round really.

        There are exceptions, I think IT is one of them, which is good for you djmcbell, it helped you land that job. I don’t know what the others are, I don’t think the government do either, and that’s the problem.

        • djmcbell June 2, 2016, 1:02 am | Link

          I must say that I was pretty discouraged doing my job search – there wasn’t a great deal that wasn’t a temporary contract and even then, still not a huge amount. I did look in Melbourne and there were a fair number of jobs, but not hugely close by geographically. People like me, coming from the UK and expecting a job in the city centre or CBD, may not find things quite so easy.

  • djmcbell May 27, 2016, 6:29 pm | Link

    Well, some good news on my side – I’ve been offered a job! Wage isn’t brilliant, but it’s a full-time permanent job, and starting just after we move out (which isn’t far off now), in the IT sector and in a great location – about 20 minutes drive from where we’ll be living.

    Made me very happy, that has.

    • LP May 28, 2016, 7:28 am | Link

      Congratulations!

      • BobinOz May 30, 2016, 2:23 pm | Link

        Yes, congratulations, it just goes to show that it is still possible to land a job in Australia before you arrive, even if it isn’t easy. Sounds like everything is falling into place for you now. Good luck in your new job.

        • djmcbell June 1, 2016, 5:18 pm | Link

          Thanks Bob and LP. Got to say it was pretty darn scary. Skype is one of the best inventions ever, though a lot of companies weren’t even willing to interview me. Thankfully I found one that was.

          Had the first interview, which went very well. A second interview was planned but, just before, they asked if they could delay it and get one of the company directors involved!

          (gulp)

          Also, using a different piece of messaging software that allowed us to share desktops, so they could see some of my work. Thankfully this went well and I’ve literally just sent off the paperwork with my signature on.

          I was actually on my way to a business meeting on the train when I found out last week and rang my wife immediately. I think the entire carriage heard us!

          • BobinOz June 1, 2016, 11:58 pm | Link

            I think that’s valuable information for anyone trying to secure a job whilst they are not yet here in Australia; keep your desktop tidy and get rid of that Pamela Anderson screensaver 🙂

  • Anthony May 21, 2016, 4:41 pm | Link

    Current city: Brisbane
    Nationality: US
    I moved to Australia about a month ago. I know it doesn’t sound like a long time but, I have been actively looking for work everyday, trying to network, using various websites, both local and some of the bigger name websites. I have in 4 different countries and this has been the hardest place to find a job, BY FAR. Since i’m only here on a working/holiday visa i thought i could easily find a job in hospitality/restaurant business. FAIL!!!!!!!
    I’ve been offered two jobs and both want to offer me $12 dollars an hour (minimum wage is almost $18).
    I did land one job that was paying me $19 dollars but the position was a DISHWASHER. I took the job just because i thought it would be a good networking tool. I was working along side and immigrant that was working illegally 7 days a week.
    I’ve been turned down a jobs being told that they only hire Asians.
    The whole city is flooded with people from third-world countries. usually only hiring their own. Including the Australians.
    Some other UK citizens I talked with when i was out exploring the city said the same thing. Your almost forced to work on a farm..
    long story short. It’s not easy, there are a CRAZY amount of cheap labor out here. But all is fair, they are looking for a better life. And i hope those people do find it.
    For me it was about travel, experience, and having fun….just didn’t turn out how i thought it was going to be….wish i did more research and found out the true story.

    With that said, i’m sure it’s been done and i’m sure it’s possible. just hasn’t worked for me yet.

    Good luck everyone….see you on the farm!!!! haha

    • BobinOz May 23, 2016, 6:19 pm | Link

      Well, yes, I am aware that there is certainly a problem, especially for Asians who come here on the temporary one year working holiday visas. You can read about that here:

      https://www.bobinoz.com/blog/17214/417-visa-working-holiday-holders-whv-and-slavery-in-australia/

    • Laila June 3, 2016, 1:50 am | Link

      Hey Anthony, I was in Australia from 2012 to 2014 on a WHV and worked almost everywhere (Perth, Darwin, Sydney, Cairns, Hobarts, in the Outback and Broome/ near Broome). For what I can suggest is you forget about working on the eastcoast. The wages for backpackers have always been extremely low over there compared to the rest of Australia. You have to be really lucky to get more than $14/h in hospitality. I have a degree in hospitality and had a hard time finding a job as a waitress in Cairns and Brisbane. So you’re better off moving to WA or NT as soon as possible. The wages in hospitality in Perth start from $20/h.. the more you go rural the higher the money. I’ve worked in Derby (near Broome) for over 9 months earning $25/h, paid almost nothing on accommodation and even got free food.
      The hospitality Industrie is still one of the easiest ways to find a job in Oz, just save your hard earned money and move. The west coast is so much prettier anyway 🙂 if you need further information I can assist you with a few names of Restaurants that are pretty much always looking for staff as I’m still in contact with them: lailamarzoli@gmail.com
      good luck mate

      • Luna July 24, 2016, 12:20 pm | Link

        Hi Laila, saw your message and wanted to check whether I could reach out to you too on the info for restaurants in WA specifically in Perth- who look around for staff. Let me know and I will send you a quick note 🙂 Thanks in advance- Luna

  • Bassem Kattan April 20, 2016, 2:21 am | Link

    Hi, my family and i got our 189 PR visa in Nov 2015. I started looking for a job in IT since Jan 2016. I am currently in Saudi Arabia. i must have applied to at least 35 jobs through different sites, and all o get is your application was unsuccessful. it’s starting to get to me. I’m thinking perhaps it’s because i’m not in Aussie, but the thought of moving then looking is horrifying.

    Bassem

    • BobinOz April 20, 2016, 9:26 pm | Link

      I know it can be discouraging and it is much harder to secure a job when you are not yet here in Australia and you haven’t got what they call ‘local experience’. My understanding is that there are opportunities here for people in IT, so keep trying, you just need one breakthrough.

      Good luck, Bob

  • djmcbell April 19, 2016, 6:46 pm | Link

    Well, I’ve only recently started job hunting in slight earnest now and have a company that’s interested in me. They know I’m currently in the UK and moving soon, so that’s a plus. Here’s hoping, and wish me luck!

    • BobinOz April 20, 2016, 9:09 pm | Link

      Yes, that does sound promising, good luck, I hope it comes to something. If I remember rightly, aren’t you in IT? Let us know how it goes. Cheers, Bob

  • Pawan April 16, 2016, 5:54 am | Link

    Hi all,
    I am electrical engineer in India. I have 4.5 year of experience in this. I want to come to.Australia on PR visa. But it’s difficult for me to get this visa. So I am thinking of getting student visa in master degree. I want to know what are the job scenario for an electrical engineer with master degree in engineering project management?

    Please suggest.
    Thanks

    • BobinOz April 16, 2016, 8:50 pm | Link

      That’s not a question I can answer, but you can research it on my page called Getting a Job or a Sponsorship. A MARA migration agent could also help you to select the right pathway to getting a visa. Good luck, Bob

  • Linda S April 12, 2016, 8:18 pm | Link

    Hi Mandy, yes jobs are hard to find. The basic no brained ones. Yes seek is a zero for me too. It is only getting harder with new arrivals in Australia. Included the crisis of others being brought here from third world countries. Like I said before it is not what you know it is who you know. don’t give up hope yet, there must be something for us to do. engineers well not all of us have a degree. Guess what people go to university and never use a degree. Well……

    • Mandy April 17, 2016, 2:27 am | Link

      Yes I’ve recently come to realise “it is not what you know but who you know” is very true… Quite disappointing, but i guess it kind of makes sense that people would rather hire people they know… 🙁

  • Mandy April 4, 2016, 1:22 pm | Link

    After reading the comments I feel much better as I’m not the only one struggling to find jobs. I am a university student looking for part-time/casual job and it isn’t easy either. I applied for almost every job via Seek.com or Indeed, and rarely had any response. I also tried walking into the stores and personally give them my resume, but still had few replies.

    The casual job that I now have, I got it after 6 months of job searching. Even then, I am only scheduled 4-5 hours per fortnight which isn’t enough for me. I like to think I have quite a good CV as I have had many similar experiences back in my home country. It’s just really disheartening, I feel like I’m just sending my resume into a blackhole haha.

    • BobinOz April 4, 2016, 6:16 pm | Link

      Just out of interest Mandy, which city are you in?

      • Mandy April 17, 2016, 2:26 am | Link

        I’m in Canberra

        • BobinOz April 18, 2016, 5:37 pm | Link

          That surprises me a little bit Mandy, I didn’t think things were so bad in Canberra. I hope you find suitable work sometime soon, good luck, Bob

  • Stephen March 22, 2016, 5:51 pm | Link

    I had posted a few months ago when I was unsure as to whether I would go to Australia or not after receiving my visa. It was a tough decision for me, and reading some times about the different challenges everyone here had, it made it harder.

    But somehow coming to Australia seemed like the right thing to do and despite having a good job in the UK, I decided to just go for it. I was not getting many replies to jobs before I left to come here, with the usual response of ‘you have to be here, let me know when you arrive’. It was a little disconcerting for me.

    When I arrived a couple of weeks ago, I did not know anyone and had only really had a couple of the names of recruitment agents how had taken the time to reply to me when I was in the UK. I basically put all of my effort into finding a job. In the time that I got here, I still had points where I received less than positive feedback and if I took that by itself it would be easy to be disheartened. Since arriving two weeks ago I have joined various organisations and also literally spent hours refining my CV and interviewing technique.

    Today, I have been lucky enough to receive an offer for a job, a contract but nonetheless a good starter job for local experience in my field of expertise.

    I just wanted to put this post on because maybe rightfully so people believe that there aren’t jobs and its not possible. Who knows what this job will be like, but in truth I will go into it with the same energy I had during my job search and I will make it work.

    From what I have experienced of Australia so far, I think it’s worth it and it’s the very least I could do for the people who gave me the opportunity.

    • LP March 22, 2016, 6:15 pm | Link

      Those are excellent news. Goodspeed.

      • BobinOz March 22, 2016, 6:53 pm | Link

        Yes, that is excellent news Stephen. As you have quite right noted, even though it’s just a contract, it will give you some local experience in your field. Local experience seems to go a long way around here, that’s why it is so important to get your very first job.

        It usually seems to be the case that once you have got your first job, is easier to go on from there because of that working experience in Australia. That you have secured your first job within two weeks is very encouraging.

        Good luck with it, you made a brave decision to come here at this time and this is hopefully the first step to making it pay off.

        • Deon lezar April 15, 2016, 9:16 pm | Link

          Yeah bob I have 13 years pharma experience from RSA. We arrived in Australia almost 8 months ago and believe it or not am still battling to secure a role in the pharma industry here. I now have to change my strategy and just get something, anything just so that I can gain that local experience but I think more importantly, interaction with the Australians in the work place. Just because one has experience to do the job does not necessarily mean you are entitled to get the job. I am learning very quickly what the term, starting from the bottom means here in Australia, so to all who feel down and out just keep positive and keep knocking on those doors. Best wishes to all ?????

          • BobinOz April 16, 2016, 8:42 pm | Link

            Absolutely right. I think that’s the exact attitude needed, to keep positive and keep pushing until you get that first opportunity, then once you get that local experience, I think things just get easier. I hope you find a suitable job soon Deon.

            Good luck, Bob

  • Linda Scarpinato March 22, 2016, 4:08 pm | Link

    Hi Everyone

    Nice, whatever qualification you have good luck to you all. My prior recruitment agency – I used is a foreigner. Watch out our jobs are being taken over by over rated foreign people.
    That’s why I can not get a job. Nice

  • Lukasz March 21, 2016, 11:23 pm | Link

    Hi Guys,

    As a foreigner living in the UK for over 2 years – I’ll be brash and will give you a picture of the job market that no Brit will:
    Yes, there are loads of jobs for qualified people, especially in engineering.
    Yes, there are also many many applicants.
    So how is it that there are so many applicants,so many open vacancies and people are complaining on finding a job?
    The Answer is simple: people are not actually qualified. Most engineers have an HNC degree (which takes roughly 1,5 year). That’s not enough to do anything serious. I’m no star, didn’t have spectacular grades, and arrived here from a Eastern European country. Having an MSc in Electrical Engineering and being a bright guy I can find a design job within 2 weeks no problem cause people, and I’ve only had graduate role job so far. BSc would suffice as well. I am being invited to interviews for top companies and currently work for one of the top companies (worldwide) in my discipline. And like I said… I’m good but not great.
    My girlfriend had pretty much the same experience in Architecture despite her Engilish being so-so (communicative but not fluent).
    To wrap it up: There are many open positions but not a lot of people you would actually want to hire. So if you guys feel confident of your skills you can easily find a job in UK.
    Would be reaalllly grateful if someone could provide a description of the actual job market in engineering in Australia, expecially Power Engineering or Electrical Distribution Engineering, as I’ve been very keen on moving for the last 3 years. Cheers

    • BobinOz March 22, 2016, 5:19 pm | Link

      Yes, it’s what I clearly state in my article above, it’s easier to get a job in the UK at the moment than it is in Australia. If you want to get a job as an engineer in Australia, your first task would be to pin down exactly what kind of engineer you are and how that relates to the ANZSCO skills lists.

      You can find out about that on my page called Getting a Job or a Sponsorship. Cheers, Bob

  • Linda Scarpinato March 21, 2016, 8:37 pm | Link

    Hi
    I was born in Australia. To find a “job” extra extra difficult. Have been ringing companies looking for work and also sending resumes on line. Years ago interviews were so easy now very hard. Face the facts ” Its who you know not what you know”. The industry I use to work in has relatives flowing through the door not outside application for jobs. It is hard work and achievable “I don’t know”. A friend of mine is in her mid 40’s went looking for over 300 positions in a couple of years and only one job offer of only temp work. This is all unbelievable. We are all educated in one way or another. But, still very difficult to find a position.

    • BobinOz March 22, 2016, 5:07 pm | Link

      Yes, I’ve heard more than one story of nepotism, so I do think there is an element of truth in your theory Linda. Hope you find a job soon.

  • Avi March 1, 2016, 6:49 am | Link

    Hi Bob,

    My self Avi has 4 years of experience in software development.I like to ask a common question,how hard to find a job in Australia .thanks in advance

    Please suggest.

    • BobinOz March 1, 2016, 4:34 pm | Link

      That’s the question I’ve answered in the above article. Generally speaking though, at the moment it’s quite hard.

  • Harinder Mehta February 28, 2016, 4:47 am | Link

    Hello All,

    I am a computer engg. And was planning for higher studies i.e master of project management from australua..but after reading ur replies and ur conversation..i have realy been 2 sides…plz sone help me should i realy apply for it not..?

    • BobinOz February 28, 2016, 9:03 pm | Link

      We can’t decide for you, this decision is down to you.

  • j February 22, 2016, 4:21 pm | Link

    What do you do when you are older, not wanted have plenty of experience, lost your life’s savings because your job was undermined and you had to survive on your hard earned savings. I want to get back to work hard and then get to hell out of this soulless country it is finished and will end up a starving 4th world country. they will be starving here and will finish up eating people for food because there will be no food.

    • BobinOz February 22, 2016, 5:13 pm | Link

      You can’t eat other people, that’s against the law.

    • pamela brocas February 26, 2016, 9:57 am | Link

      Hi there. I moved to Australia 2yrs ago. I was a sales rep in NZ for 6yrs and previous to that was in management.
      I have applied for at least 200 jobs and cannot find work.
      Im 52 yrs old. It is demoralizing .
      Im not sure if it has something to do with my age or that im female. Australia is certainly not what i expected. I had a career in NZ and gave it up to move here thinking that i wld be better off.
      How wrong i was !!!

      • BobinOz February 26, 2016, 7:12 pm | Link

        I’m sorry to hear that Pamela, and I can see how demoralising it can be. I couldn’t tell you what the reason is specifically, but I do know these aren’t the best of times for finding work in Australia which is why I wrote this article.

        Hope you find something suitable soon, good luck, Bob

    • CluelessBogan April 3, 2017, 12:30 am | Link

      Sorry to see you learnt the hard way. The fundamentals of this country are very wrong, and it is on its way to become the white trash of Asia, which is its eventual destiny. There is no economy per se, only a few Ponzi schemes trying to kick the can further down the street.

  • EmmaJam February 20, 2016, 2:14 am | Link

    I’ve just been offered a job in the Brisbane office of the big four firm that I work for and will be moving from the UK.
    For qualified accountants in the UK the market is really looking up, I receive daily emails from recruiters for various finance based jobs.
    Having read your post above I’m a bit concerned for my husband’s career as, although he will be included on my visa, he will need to start looking for finance jobs when we arrive….

  • Spando February 1, 2016, 9:36 pm | Link

    I think finding work for everyone is becoming more difficult, particularly for those in WA. Despite over 30 years of work experience and two university degrees I have only been able to manage 18 months work over the past three years. The decline in the Australian dollar means salaries paid in Australia are now falling short of what can be earned overseas. I would suggest those thinking of moving from overseas should think again.

  • Sarath January 24, 2016, 12:17 am | Link

    Hi, I am an Electrical Engineer working in design consultancy. I have experience in both Metro Rail and building design. Now I am looking for a job in Australia. What is the chance of getting a job?

    • Mike January 24, 2016, 12:32 pm | Link

      Hi Sarah. Your chances improve if you get in touch directly with the people inside the industry you are applying for. In my experiencce, here in Australia sometimes is more important who do you know than what do you know. Check this link http://www.alstom.com/australia/careers/. Cheers.

  • Nichola Thomson January 5, 2016, 5:48 pm | Link

    Hi Bob. I arrived in Melbourne with my husband and 2 young kids in December last year. My husband was offered an IT job and was sponsored on a 457 visa. It hasnt been easy. For my husband the working hours are longer than they were in the UK or Ireland. He leaves early in the morning and arrives home about 8pm. His has a fairly long commute into the city. Its common here for people to have long commutes of around an hour. As for myself, despite having a great CV with lots of experience in the Medical Science and Pharma industry I still haven’t secured a job after a year. I have had a number of interviews in which I have been told I have a great CV and experience but then didn’t get the job because I dont have enough local experience. (I did work in Melbourne a few years ago for 6 months but apparently this isn’t enough). We are also finding it difficult on our 457 visa. We dont qualify for the childcare rebate which people with PR get. Childcare is extremely expensive here as most people qualify for a 50% rebate from the government. This means that even if I do get a job my salary will go on childcare. People on 457 visas also dont qualify for Medicare, although we get it on a reciprocal agreement with the UK. We have also had problems buying a house on our visa. Most mortgage providers require a 20% deposit for 457 visa holders. We also had to apply to the foreign investment bureau to get approval to buy a house which now costs $5000. We also have to pay a much higher stamp duty rate. This has all meant that we could only afford to buy a house fairly far out in a poorer area of Melbourne or a small apartment which wouldn’t suit us with kids. I would certainly recommend that people think about getting PR before coming here, especially if they have young kids.

    • BobinOz January 5, 2016, 9:34 pm | Link

      Yes, long commutes can be a bit of a problem in quite a few Australian cities, I think mainly because our cities are so sprawled out. The advantages of PR do vary from state to state I think, but I’m not sure exactly how and for what. I know that state school fees apply in some states for 457 visa holders…

      https://www.bobinoz.com/blog/11413/state-school-fees-for-temporary-visa-holders-in-australia/

      On the other hand, coming here on a 457 visa does have advantages, for example your husband did have a definite job waiting for him here. If you’d have come here on PR and neither of you had been able to find work for all this time, I think you would be much worse off now than you currently are.

      Good luck though, I hope you find a job soon and things become a little easier.

    • Mark Anthony January 13, 2016, 12:16 pm | Link

      Hi Nicola,Bob. I agree with you to find a job here in Australia is very difficult, even coming as a PR like I did. I am a project manager and in my 3 years here I only got 1 contract job that lasted only the 5 months that the project was shceduled. Then nothing. Not even the “survival jobs”, that are very demanding by the local people that, by the way, has no job or the business that they are working for is closing. Australia has difficult times creating jobs. Manufacturing here is very expensive and non-competitive.Even some companies prefer to send jobs overseas, like India, Malaysia or some other country less expensive. The other problem is that Australia is overregulated. This means, that for companies is very expensive to comply with the government regulations to maintain a permanent employee, so they try to squeeze them as much as they can (they look for someone that do the job of 5 people and costs the half).So, the way that the Recruitment Industry works is like this: Someone needs a person with certian skills and knowledge for a position. The HR converts the skills and knowledge in a position description, that is in fact a wish list. This wish list is used to filter all the resumes and cover letters that does not have the “key words” that are in the position description.The candidates that fill most of the wish list are contacted and interviewed. In the interview HR always looks after do´s and dont´s and the candidates that have more “correct answers” according to the HR criteria go to the next stage, that is the hiring person that need a person to do the job. This last stage is the less difficult from the whole process.The other way to be hired is for someone that is inside the business and can help you. And that´s it.Is pretty hard to survive the process, because most of the positions are very specific, the skills and knowledge are not transferable from one position to another and the employers always look for ex-employee profile, someone that start without any training from the employer and knows what to do always.

      • BobinOz January 14, 2016, 12:16 am | Link

        If anybody wants a former HR experts full understanding of how it works, then I would suggest investing the small sum of money in purchasing the package available on my page How to Find a Sponsored Job in Australia.

        It’s an excellent course and will certainly give anybody looking for a job in Australia, sponsored or not, a distinct advantage.

        • Mark Anthony January 14, 2016, 5:02 pm | Link

          Bob, do you think that any part of my description is not accurate?

          • BobinOz January 14, 2016, 8:09 pm | Link

            I have no idea Mark, I do not work in recruitment and I have never in my life applied for a job in Australia. Your opinions are your opinions and you are very welcome to them and it’s good to see you have taken the time to post them here.

            I’m pretty sure though that your opinions are not representative of everybody’s opinion in Australia, so I just thought it was worthwhile to let people know about a book written by an expert explaining how she believes the job search game works here.

            I also think your use of the word ‘accurate” in your question is inappropriate when what you have done is offer an opinion based on your own experiences.

            • Mark Anthony January 14, 2016, 8:54 pm | Link

              Bob, how you can be pretty sure and “accurate” that my opinions (based on my research and experience) are not representative if you have no idea and never applied in your life for a job in Australia?

              • BobinOz January 15, 2016, 9:10 pm | Link

                What I actually said Mark is that “your opinions are not representative of everybody’s opinion in Australia” and actually I’m not pretty sure, I am 100% sure. I don’t even have to have ever applied for a job in Australia to know that, it’s just that I don’t think in all the history of Australia that one man’s opinion has represented the entire nation on any subject at all. People always have different opinions.

                I’m really not sure what your problem is.

                • Mark Anthony January 16, 2016, 7:09 pm | Link

                  “People always have different opinions” Obvious Bob! And you should respect them all, including mine,even if you disagree, Bob. And what I meant is that doesn´t make sense that you Bob, who doesn´t work on recruitment and have never ever applied for a job in your life in Australia, recommend a book that has never used in the real life and by the way I when I asked you what is wrong, Bob, you answer that you have no idea and start attacking me! Who do you think you are,Bob?And, what´s your problem with me,Bob?

                  • Phillip January 16, 2016, 9:25 pm | Link

                    Mark

                    It’s Bob’s blog. I think he can say what he likes. I don’t think he’s attacking you at all Mark. Whether we accept opinions or not we are free to express them and Bob is trying to provide free advice to people who may be nervous about emigrating, presumably because his blog is a hobby.

                    Leave the bloke alone. Perhaps this is not the right forum for you?

                    • Mark Anthony January 16, 2016, 9:31 pm | Link

                      My answer is above Phillip

                  • LP January 17, 2016, 3:41 am | Link

                    It’s interesting to notice how this original entry was posted almost 10 months ago and it still being commented. The issue of the present job market certainly elicits debate and can’t imagine what the 2016 version would generate.

                    It is difficult for me to think of a more trying experience than that of being employed for 5 months over the 36 you have been in Oz, Mark. As a would-be expat myself I know what you say is true. In fact, if you’re a keen observer you will notice that some recruiters or HR professionals will ask you to submit your resume in Word format; others in a searchable PDF document, others emphasize for you to set up a Linkedin profile with the exact keywords commonly used in your professional area. Yes, all of this is designed for mass recruitment and, as you say, to find the candidates with the most keywords on their description.

                    I know this by first hand and by having studied the book Bob promotes. The HR business in Oz is quite complex (let alone with the present economic downturn). Having been reading the comments on this entry, I do not think Bob’s intention was to discredit you, but rather amplify your experience with that of additional perspectives of someone who has worked as a HR professional.

                    Contrary to other experiences posted here you have an advantage: you have actual Australian working experience. Many have gone through the process you describe just to have the ‘no local experience’ door shut in the face.

                    Cheers

                    • Stephen January 17, 2016, 6:22 am | Link

                      I think if I went to Australia and not had a job for 3 years then that would be a nightmare scenario for me, so I can understand your frustration Mark.

                      But what you have said isn’t really different to what happens where I am just now,in the UK as this is the general approach for large organisational hires. Out-sourcing is here to stay as well and has been a part of every large global organisation I have worked for – the only protection against that is to make yourself so good you are indispensable. I don’t think this is something that is unique to Australia.

                      I’d have to agree with Phillip you do have the advantage of having the 5 months experience. From one perspective it’s something to discuss at interview, and secondly there will have been people that you have worked with when in that job that are likely working in the same company or another company which may have open positions.

                      From your initial comment it seems you have been getting interviews – that to me is half the battle. The three (very high level) things I think interviewers are trying to find out is:
                      1. Can you do the job
                      2. Do I want to work with you and will you fit with the team
                      3. Can I afford to pay you
                      Couple that with the fact that they will select the candidate with the best combination of the above and it can be quite competitive.

                      From reading the above I don’t think Bob was attacking you and I don’t think he has ever said he was an expert in the subject, but he has taken the time to do some research on his website and also offer services from other professionals should people want to take it further.

                      I think he is fair about it all and does listen to other people’s opinions, and that is why I rate this site so highly when it comes to getting information on Australia. If we are going to get into the semantics of free speech then Bob has the right to disagree, and not that every opinion should be “respected” but rather every person has the right to have an opinion.

                      I think it’s good that we can discuss this on here and really appreciate all the information I am getting from the different experiences people have had. I wonder though if it’s a post that draws people that have issues with getting employment at the moment – I would hope there are still expats getting jobs in Oz.

  • BC January 3, 2016, 9:11 pm | Link

    Hello Bob and others,
    I visited your site over a year ago when I was in the happy situation of being granted a PR visa and an intercompany transfer from my Canadian job (Vancouver office was closing and Brisbane had a downsizing). I never returned to the webpages, since I found the first few months of integrating fairly smooth, although my spouse faces obstacles and a black hole trying to get a job as an engineer, and eventually fell back greatfuly on secondary school math/ tech teaching job on contract. That is part A) of the job scene we feared, hoped not to face but where somewhat prepared for before we made decision to move. Without a permanent job with my employer of several years, I would not probably have taken the risk to move with three high school to uni aged children. THEN a couple months ago, bam, more redundancies, not unexpectedly since I work for one of the ‘mining giants ‘ that did very horribly in markets last quarter, but still a big shocker to our family. I am looking for similar positions now…and virtually nothing, even in remote operations, although I rather stay in corporate role than FIFO, and changing industry is possible but daunting for me. I feel not angry or tricked, because it is just a outcome of the trends in Australian economy, but I am worried that my career as I knew it is over, unless we go back to Canada. My husband will likely get another teaching contract for 2016, which is good news, and I am lucky to get a small severance payment. Many that quit their jobs in home country have to 100% rely on savings, and strength in the gut to keep faith that things will work out. I believe that in the end for all who persevere, right paths are revealed and doors opened, but definitely patience, emotional strength, funds and some support system required. when I read the stories of others, I hear them worry that bias or discrimination may be to blame…I tend to agree with you that it is more a case of unlucky timing. If no doors opened during boom times when employers scooped up unskilled labour and provided training, then having a qualified person passed up would cause me pause and concern….but in two short years since we were accepted as skilled migrants….I am still just as skilled as when I applied with two years more experience, but feel like good as useless since zero vacancies and worse than that, many long time Australian professional engineers also looking to leave mining industry or leave country or have a life change (whatever that entails for them).
    That is my ramble, sorry I can’t give any more encouragement to anyone, just not where I am at. Cheers

    • BobinOz January 4, 2016, 10:49 pm | Link

      I don’t think any industry of late has suffered as much as has mining, so I understand your predicament. Thanks for taking the time to share with us your ramble, I do think it’s important that people understand that at the moment jobs do not grow on trees in Australia.

      I loved what you said “I believe that in the end for all who persevere, right paths are revealed and doors opened…”; just the other night I was round a friends house and we were talking about this.

      There were only four of us, me, my wife and another couple, but we are all working, and none of us are doing what we used to do back in England. I should also add, none of us are disappointed with what we are now doing compared with back in England. Sometimes you have to change direction in order to thrive, I think it’s important to be open to that.

      I’m sure you will find a way, it sounds to me as though you are in the right frame of mind to make it work here. Good luck, Bob

    • Mike January 13, 2016, 5:44 pm | Link

      Hi BC

      I am a geologist, a number of us saw the writing on the wall a few years back and jumped ship before we were pushed. In the team I work with now most of us have a mining background. Coal and petroleum and Gold. We work for the government now..pay packet is smaller but we don’t have the high’s and lows of FIFO workers or miss out on the life of our families. We also all moved out of city based work which has meant our pay stretches a lot further. I currently live on the North Coast of NSW. That said I don’t know that the government will offer positions to engineers/geologists that aren’t PR so for 457 visa holders it isn’t really an option but for PR people looking for a change of pace that does include mixing with private industry (and jumping ship if you like for a higher pay cheque). Engineering is an in demand skill set, you may find that move to infrastructure projects that seems to be all the rage in the government at the moment and using some of your old university civil engineering know how will give you a foot in the door. There is always the project management type roles that don’t particularly need a specific engineering skill set, just an engineering mindset.

  • Larry Yat December 29, 2015, 7:03 pm | Link

    Hi everyone, I just wanna share my experience and frustration of trying to get a job in Australia, particularly Melbourne because I’m based here. I’m from Malaysia but I’m a PR and graduated 2 years ago with pretty good results (decent grades but admittedly I’m not the Dean’s list type of student) from Melbourne Uni (Bachelor of Commerce majoring in Finance and Accounting). Moreover, while still at Uni I had numerous summer internships at reputable MNCs in Singapore and Malaysia. I love Melbourne and I was thinking of staying in here, but alas, all this time while working odd jobs I have applied for entry level roles at banks and countless accounting firms with NO success. My friends who are from China, Indonesia, and Turkey are also in a similar situation. One of the positions that I applied recently was an entry level role at a bank that only required HSC or TAFE (according to the job desc) and I got rejected! That was the last straw! If it is that difficult for someone who’s a PR, speaks fluent English, got a degree here from a good uni, I can’t imagine what it’s like for someone that speaks little English and wasn’t educated here. I just feel it’s ridiculous! I love Melbourne and Australia but it seems I will have to say Adios Australia if I can’t get a decent job in a few more months. End of rant……Thanks for reading!

    • BobinOz December 30, 2015, 10:23 pm | Link

      I feel for you, but I’m afraid this is what it’s like trying to find a job at the moment in Australia. Don’t be put off by that entry-level role you didn’t get, sometimes they don’t like it if you’re overqualified because they know your leave as soon as a better offer comes along.

      All I can say is don’t give up yet, keep trying.

      You may want to check out the package I have for sale on my page called How to Find a Sponsored Job in Australia; it’s good for finding any kind of job, not just sponsored jobs. It will definitely help you, I highly recommend it.

      Good luck, and thanks for the rant 🙂

    • Stephen December 30, 2015, 11:45 pm | Link

      Hi Larry

      Sorry to hear that about your job hunt. I can’t speak for Australia, I am having the same dilemma as yourself in whether to come over and give it a ahot, but would definitely echo Bob’s advice – sometimes you need to aim a bit higher.

      Also from my own experience, financial services can be tough to break into initially, it tends to be first choice for . I work in FS now but it took a few years to get there – have you tried to get experience in smaller companies first, as sometimes they are more willing to train people up and in all honesty, some of these will set you up better from an experience perspective for the future.

      Other than that I could only say what worked for me when breaking into a new role, I did as much as possible where I was (whatever the role) e.g. I worked in a Supermarket as a student but improved the disposals process – it doesn’t sound like much but is a good example of going above what’s required for a process improvement question at interview.

      Other than that could only suggest finding out if you can use your skills for a volunteering – it gives you a chance to practise, get examples for interviews, do some good and also network (you would be surprised at who volunteers for worthwhile causes).

      There is never a silver bullet in advice for getting a job, but hope some of the above helps.

      Good Luck!

  • Amanda November 13, 2015, 2:24 am | Link

    Good day Bob
    Really interesting reading your comments. My situation is the same however, going down hill quicker than I would like. We left South Africa and moved to NZ for 8 years. During that time, I had some serious health issues and my husband did not have a secured job. I on the other hand was exceptionally lucky as being a teacher I had work. We decided 3 years ago that we would move to Perth for better weather and the possibility of my husband getting work. Needless to say I had to work as an EA for the first year, had a contract as a teacher for the second and then to my absolute dismay, found that my teaching place at the school had gone to the DP daughter – there was no job for me. The hardest thing to chew as that I was told ‘It was just the way the system is going and it had nothing to do with my ability as a teacher as I am actually quiet good’. My husband has not had much luck either and we are now in a situation where we are beginning to run out of funds. Have had to use our savings to survive. I have applied for what feels like hundreds of jobs, but no luck. Our situation is absolutely desperate. Do you know of any areas out there where a family struggling could get some assistance. Being NZ Citizens, we do not qualify for centre link. Money we had in our savings was going to pay for our PR. Any ideas
    Thanks
    Amanda

    • BobinOz November 26, 2015, 10:13 pm | Link

      Sorry, no, I don’t know of anywhere where you might get assistance and as you know, being a NZer you don’t qualify any support from the Australian government.

      Is there a reason you need to stay in Perth? I’m just thinking maybe you’d find more opportunities in a different city, I’ve heard Perth is struggling a bit at the moment for jobs. Sorry to hear things aren’t working out, hope you find a solution soon.

      Good luck, Bob

  • Sumaya November 6, 2015, 5:43 am | Link

    Hi Bob,
    To brief you about the scenario I had been with my husband is- we have a PR and as per state sponsor ship have got Adelaide as a city to move. My husband was there in June for one month and has tried really hard finding a job, he got through the aptitude tests, first round and finally got to know from the HR that his profile is on hold for reasons unknown. He managed to stay there by doing odd jobs. I was there too for few days until I could do the documentation for myself. Finally we returned back after 1.5 month and now planning to go back and search a job. We both have a secured job here but moving to Australia for few reasons. Could you probably suggest if the Australian market is open good enough and what can be a good time to go there. This could help me a lot in taking a concrete decision whether we can take the risk once more or just let it go. Coz it’s big money we invested for our last visit.
    Sumayya.

    • BobinOz November 6, 2015, 6:53 pm | Link

      Firstly, I have to say, I do not live in Adelaide so I don’t know first hand what it might be like for you to try and find a job. I do have a page about Adelaide though, I strongly suggest you visit it and have a look at the many comments that have been made about the work situation in that city.

      Right now, Adelaide seems to be struggling, it has one of the highest unemployment rates in the country. So no one can guarantee whether you would find a job there, obviously though it very much depends on what it is that you do.

      I suggest you try asking on that page and hopefully a local will give you their opinion, but I’m sure if you read the comments you will conclude that moving there may represent a bit of a risk.

      Good luck, Bob

  • Iman October 9, 2015, 8:06 pm | Link

    I also wanted to add that your website is great. Quite helpful and this blog was something I really needed to help me find answers. Thanks for that 🙂

    Iman.

  • Iman October 9, 2015, 8:01 pm | Link

    Hi Bob,

    My husband and I arrived in Perth a year ago from Pakistan and he has been trying to find a job since then. He left behind a secure job and promotion for better opportunities in Oz. I have two young boys to take care of so I’m not actively looking for jobs yet (I’m a graphic designer).

    My husband has a casual job for the last 10 months, but he’s an IT auditor by profession. After trying and failing at finding a job in his own profession in Perth, he tried looking for customer service jobs. He landed an interview in iiNet and even made it to reference checks. A friend who also works in iiNet was the internal reference and he told my husband that the HR told him they were going to offer my husband the job. However today he got a call from their HR and was told that they won’t be hiring him.

    We had similar experiences in jobs from his own profession too where he had advanced from his interview and the head of compliance was arranging a second interview as he was quite impressed with his cv and experience. But before the second interview could take place, the HR of that company emailed my husband that they went ahead with someone else. We were shocked at the lack of professionalism as their departments didn’t seem coordinated because the head was surprised to hear about the email from HR. This job was in Sydney while we live in Perth.

    Many recruiters have told my husband that his CV is quite good and he has worked over and over on his cv to make it suitable for the Australian job market but I don’t think it’s the CV or the interview. The problem lies somewhere else and we’d love your input on that.

    What we’ve learned and seen here is the job market and firms that are hiring are completely unpredictable. They can do anything at all at any given time. There have been companies that have published adds for hiring and then removed the job position all together.

    We’re completely baffled and frustrated. Any input will be appreciated.

    Thanks in advance.

    Iman

    • BobinOz October 9, 2015, 9:03 pm | Link

      Hi Iman

      Sorry to hear your husband is having problems finding the kind of work he would like to be doing, I’m not really the best person to ask about what’s going on though for a couple of reasons. First, I don’t live in Perth on second I’m not in recruitment.

      That said though, from what I do know you have both arrived in Perth at a time when the boom years finally went bust and people were being put out of work left, right and centre. It’s a continuing problem, there are many people, highly qualified people, who are now working in jobs they would not have dreamt of doing a few years ago, simply to earn some money.

      So I really don’t think there is anything more going on other than that.

      It’s good to hear that your husband has at least found some casual work so you do have money coming in.

      Maybe you are thinking there is some kind of prejudice going on? I’m only asking, and I’m sure a very small number of employees have a preference for Aussies or whatever, so that may have some kind of an effect. But I don’t think it’s the main issue, I think the main issue is that Perth is struggling at the moment and there’s just simply not a lot of work about. Because of that, employers can pick and choose.

      In a nutshell, you’ve turned up at a bad time.

      As I say though, that’s my view as someone who doesn’t work in recruitment or live anywhere near Perth, so if anyone more in the know can help you out here, we’d love to hear from them.

      Anybody?

    • kevin Tyler October 9, 2015, 9:44 pm | Link

      Iman, I also wrote to Bob to say pretty much the same thing. I think the recruitment techniques are behind most of the other western countries and some of the interviewers are very naive. I found that a lot of Aussies couldn’t get a handle on the transfer of skills from one discipline to another. For example, here in the UK, if you know how to make an aircraft wing then there is a pretty good chance you may grasp what it takes to make a car, or a pram, or parts for a crane for example. In Oz, if you make prams not only are you deemed to need a load more training, permits and licences before you can even think about making cars, you will have someone who is trained to hand you the spanners, screwdrivers and other tools needed to do the job. I know it’s probably an unfair comparison because the UK have led the world in manufacturing, inventions and innovation, and the modern industrial world was born here, but they need to get with the times and begin to understand how intelligent people can do more than one thing, sometimes more than one thing at the same time. But when it come to digging holes in the ground…they have us licked.
      Good luck to you and your family.
      Kev

  • Chris October 2, 2015, 8:04 pm | Link

    Hi bob,

    On the teacher front you need to be careful as it is a very seasonal recruitment business. Most jobs come up in September for the Jan start and during the year there are only a few. 19 teacher jobs seems very low considering they are high priority for immigration targets.

    • BobinOz October 5, 2015, 7:51 pm | Link

      Very good point Chris, I didn’t think of that. Makes sense, and it’s interesting that in the UK the school year starts in early September so when this post was written, which was April, it would certainly would have been prime recruiting time for the new school year.

      Thanks for pointing that out, I’m going to make a quick update to the posts as a footnote.

      Cheers, Bob

  • Stephen September 7, 2015, 4:01 pm | Link

    Hi Bob,

    I managed to get my PR Visa about six months ago and was planning on moving to Oz and actually handed in my notice about one week before the Chinese Stock Market crash and two weeks after the disappointing GDP results. Out of about 15 jobs I have applied for in the past couple of weeks, I received one phone-call/reply.

    I’m based in Scotland and right now it feels like there are a lot of jobs going in my field (I.T.). I have had a lot of direct calls/emails/linkedin messages from recruiters for jobs, I would guess probably about at least 2-3 a week for the past 3 months or so.

    I realise that these things are all peaks and troughs, I REALLY want to start my Oz adventure but it seems like such as risk to take along with all of the others. I’ve been told already by friends and family to just go for it, you can always come back, but the truth is my gut is telling me something else.

    Not that the dreaded ‘r’ word is going to happen, but I’ve already worked through one recession here, and I think if it was tough before to get a job in my own country with a lot of experience, I can imagine it would be worse trying to do that in another country.

    My current employer wants to keep me, and has already told me that they would be happy if I changed my mind or would like to extend my leave date. Somehow it feels like the more sensible option, but at the same time it feels like I’ve worked hard for a dream that seems to be pulled away at the last minute. There were never any guarantees, but I guess it’s all about risk and how much you are comfortable with.

    Moving to Oz was never a career-decision, it was a life-style decision but the truth is that it’s one area that needs to be there for everything else to work.

    Stephen

    • BobinOz September 8, 2015, 3:00 pm | Link

      I feel your pain Stephen, but I do know that it is even more difficult to secure a job when you’re not here yet, preference is usually given to people already here. But sometimes, even for those who are here it can still be tricky, see Phillip’s comment above.

      I suggest you have a read through the comments on my main pages for any of the major cities you’d be happy to live in. Look for people talking about IT jobs, or even post a comment yourself to ask what’s going on. I’m pretty sure we have a few places where people say there are IT jobs going, then, if you get some positive feedback, you can decide whether to take the risk and just come over or not.

      good luck Bob

      • Stephen September 9, 2015, 5:54 am | Link

        Thanks Bob, I appreciate your comments and advice.

        I’ve not given up yet on Australia, but I think for now I’ll be putting the trip down-under on ice until next year but I’ll put out a few feelers like you suggest.

        Just as an aside I have really enjoyed your website over the past couple of years and it has been a regular port of call for me a fun, real and informative view on Australia.

        Keep up the good work

        • BobinOz September 10, 2015, 2:46 pm | Link

          Thanks for that Stephen and I hope it all works out for you in the future, I think it would be great if you get to give Australia a go at some point. Cheers, Bob

    • LP December 9, 2015, 2:41 pm | Link

      Hello,

      It is rare for me to comment on these sites, but I’m compelled to do it because of your case Stephen and for the pleasant surprise having found this page has been for me. Thank you Bob for such an impressive website.

      I was granted the PR (Skilled 189) this past July after much effort, time and money invested. I’m an architect by trade and planned to move to Australia this year for career advancement and the lure of some of the world’s most livable cities. It has been some rough months finding out a different reality than the one pictured by Australian migration authorities.

      I kept delaying a definite date after tapping and researching the job market. It began to grow on me a sensation of wariness and fear about making a definite decision; and there is no worse act than taking such a life-changing decision without the proper information. I found a great tool for researching the Australian job market by taking a preparatory e-course by Nadine Myers which to my surprise also Bob promotes ( https://www.bobinoz.com/how-to-find-a-sponsored-job-in-australia/).

      In my case, I’ve decided to postpone my Oz adventure. By looking up other forums, statistics and experiences from other expats it is evident for me that the job market situation is a difficult one for skilled migrants. These are some of the most telling sources for information if anyone is interested on reading:

      http://insidestory.org.au/australia-today-a-million-new-adults-just-385000-new-jobs
      http://www.researchgate.net/publication/280803000_Apply_apply_negative_reply_Understanding_job-seeking_experiences_of_culturally_and_linguistically_diverse_job-seekers_in_Australia

      My goal is to network within my profession and target specific companies to whom I will apply before moving to Oz, knowing beforehand those companies more active or willing to hire someone without that barrier of the “no local experience”. Of course there is a catch because it is more difficult to find a job opportunity from overseas, but at least you can be actively searching while you still hold a job in your country. (Put a lot of feelers, if you like)

      Depending on the type of visa you were granted, I just would advise you to plan a trip to Oz before your entry date expires.

      Best regards

      • BobinOz December 10, 2015, 9:02 pm | Link

        And a very fair comment it is too LP, I’m glad you took the time to make it. You are absolutely right, in the current climate it would not be a good idea to take risks and just turn up in Australia expecting to find work.

        If anything, it’s got a little worse since I wrote this article earlier in the year. So I think everybody should do a fair bit of ground work and some quite thorough research to find out what their chances would be of finding work when they get here. I’m glad you really enjoyed Nadine’s course, I think it’s excellent.

        I read it from cover to cover before I agreed to promote it here, in fact I even suggested some changes and updates that Nadine was more than happy to accommodate. In my view, her product is well worth the small investment.

        Here’s an article you might be interested in reading. It talks about future proof Australian jobs, the kind of things that will apparently always be in demand. Architects are mentioned, which may surprise you, it actually surprise me a bit.

        Anyway, have a read, see what you think…
        http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/futureproof-jobs/

        Many thanks, Bob

  • Phillip August 19, 2015, 12:29 am | Link

    Hi Bob

    Always enjoy reading your blog and have been doing so for 3 years. I just wanted to share my experience with you as it may be of help to someone unsure about emigrating.

    In July 2012 I applied for PR as my occupation (Teacher – Secondary School) was on the SOL. By October my PR was approved! I couldn’t believe how quickly it had been processed. In December 2012 I visited Australia for a month long holiday to put the ‘feelers’ out there for work. I never received any responses from either schools or agencies. Undeterred I flew back to Australia again in July 2013 for a 6 week visit again with the ambition of finding work. After visiting agencies, sending CVs, emailing schools and adding my CV to the Vic Governments Recruit Online I never once received a response. In Dec 2013 I flew to Australia as a permanent migrant (I had already handed in my notice in the UK) and spent 4 months looking for work, however by April I gave up and returned to the UK. I was in employment again 48 hours later.

    In the UK the vast majority of teaching vacancies are advertised on a permanent contract with full pay across the 12 months. In Australia the only vacancies that I saw advertised were contract or CRT (supply), neither of which I was deemed suitable for by the agencies.

    I have been working as a teacher in the UK for 8 years now and have quickly progressed from Teacher to Head of Department, Head of Faculty and now Assistant Headteacher. My subject (IT) is supposedly a shortage subject in Victoria according to LiveinVictoria however I have never once received a response from any agency/school. My CV reads superb and has been approved by 2 UK head teachers. I also paid for an Australian company to ‘tart up’ my CV suitable for the Australian market however this was of no benefit.

    I feel so saddened that I am still in the UK when I already hold PR, am qualified and registered to teach in Victoria and have more than suitable experience. I would be a huge asset to any Australian school. LiveinVictoria and IMMI still specifically state that Secondary School Teachers (and in particular IT teachers) are in demand and they priority process PR applications, however the job market tells a very different story. I have now found a document on the Vic Govt website that states that Vic has a huge surplus of teachers! To say I feel cheated is an understatement as the cost of PR was not cheap.

    It has made me realise that my bread is buttered better in the UK as I have complete job security so I can obtain loans, mortgages etc which are out of reach in Australia on temporary contracts (as many teachers there do not get paid for the 12 weeks of holiday per year).

    I now have just over 2 years left on my PR. I would love to give Australia another go but would not try it again without a job offer first. If my PR expires I don’t think I would be eligible for a RRV as I would not have actually worked in Australia despite my best efforts.

    • BobinOz September 8, 2015, 2:40 pm | Link

      Phillip, firstly, so sorry for not replying to this earlier, I didn’t get a notification when you posted it so I just didn’t know it was here. I only saw it when got Stephen’s comment below.

      Anyway, thanks for sharing your experiences with us, it underlines what I suspected might be happening right now from those vacancy figures in the above post.

      It’s a real shame, sounds like you really want to give Australia a go. I’m not surprised you feel cheated either, I’d feel the same in your shoes. Sometimes though, sadly, the skills shortages list don’t reflect what’s real going on. You mention only Victoria though, is that because it’s where you want to live or is that your only choice because of the terms of your visa?

      I only ask, because a friend of mine moved here a couple of years ago, he is a music teacher and was also a head of department when he was in the UK. He found a job pretty quickly, within 2-3 months I think, and he’s been doing pretty well since then and had a couple of promotions.

      But, as I say, that was a couple of years ago, maybe things have got tougher since then.

      I’m sorry to hear this has happened to you, if you want to give it another go, check out this page…

      https://www.bobinoz.com/how-to-find-a-sponsored-job-in-australia/

      The package will help you find a job, and not just a sponsored one, no matter the title.

      Good luck, Bob

    • Eliinoz November 12, 2015, 6:37 am | Link

      Hi Phillip,

      I have been teaching at a school in Perth for 4 years now. What makes the difference is the network of teachers that you have and where you experience comes from. For sure it ‘s much easier to secure a position when you are in the country. By contacting the teacher association of your subject in the state you want to work can also help. Im a language teacher and i would agree that the market is not great for new teachers or teachers new to the country who are trying to get a foot in a door.

  • Simone August 3, 2015, 2:16 am | Link

    Hi there,
    This is my second post here in this website.
    I came here in Oz 8 months ago with a w-h-Visa and now I can tell you guys a little bit more about this place
    Regarding the job situation here in Perth from my point of view you have two 2 options, be skilled and find something or be motivated without particular skill/knowledge and find something else , in between there’s a void. And yes that’s because the boom time is gone and or you move the ground or you think on how to move or sell the ground (happy with this paradox)

    Anyway I found my job even if I cannot work for more than 6 months for a company (visa’s rule), and this is a big trouble for how is gonna hire me
    Hope my English is getting better and “understandable”
    Cheers

    • BobinOz August 3, 2015, 9:46 pm | Link

      Your English was very good Simone, and thanks for the posting your views 🙂

  • kevin Tyler July 29, 2015, 9:07 pm | Link

    P.S. Bob, Hi again.
    On another subject, if you don’t mind, as an addendum to my previous comment.
    I returned to the UK in 2012 and my visa was due to expire in 2013. I had planned to leave a month or two before it expired and give it another go, however, I unwittingly became the victim of a false accusation and ended up having to attend Magistrates Court on a charge. The case was adjourned twice and by the time the third case was due my visa had expired. I was found not guilty, justifiably so, and so was now left with an expired visa.
    I applied for another RRV, however, I was told I couldn’t have one because I had been twice already and had not actually worked, despite having many interviews. After explaining about my dear mum passing, returning home, and the struggles I had getting a job etc, I was told that I could have another RRV for one year only if I could get a job offer before going. I thought this would be impossible, however, a friend of mine in Perth knew a builder who was looking for someone to do some labouring and also some steel fixing. He offered me a job after seeing my CV and so I presented it to Oz Immigration in London. They seemed OK to offer me a visa but asked me to prove that I was an experienced Labourer. I contested this explaining that I had already proved my skills and qualifications in my original applications: I was highly skilled.
    At this point I sent the Oz Immigration a copy of a letter from my solicitor sent prior to my 2013 visa expiry. In the letter it outlined the consequences of going to Oz and not showing up to court. It was proof that I had intended to return but that I was prevented from doing so because of the ramifications of missing a court appearance i.e. being arrested at the airport whenever I returned to the UK. The Oz Immigration were great and understood my predicament and as a result gave me a year RRV provided I took up the offer of a job prior to leaving i.e. the Labourers job I had been offered.
    Having been through all of this I was planning flights etc when I received a hammer blow of an email. The builder in Oz had lost a big contract and asked if I could wait until he secured further work. He never did and so, once again, my visa expired.
    With everything that has happened that has prevented me from emigrating: my dear mum becoming ill, my mum passing away, being falsely accused of assault, having spent thousands going to and from Oz, looking for work, having many interviews, writing many letters and filling out many many forms I am still in the UK.
    I imagine it is too late now but I can say I certainly tried and that Oz has missed out on one hard working, committed, intelligent and determined person.
    Regards, Kevin

    • BobinOz July 29, 2015, 9:41 pm | Link

      Gosh, that’s a story that put my head into a spin, not sure I could fully follow it. Glad you didn’t go to prison though 🙂

      • kevin Tyler July 30, 2015, 6:36 am | Link

        Cheers man…….

  • kevin Tyler July 29, 2015, 8:29 pm | Link

    Hi Bob,
    I gained Oz Permy Residency in 2003 but didn’t go to Oz until 2007 due to a promotion at work, which I thought would expand the scope for job hunting in Oz. Sadly my mum got Lymph cancer so I returned home after a year. My visa expired in 2008 but I got an RRV. My dear mum died in 2010, God bless her, and I returned to Oz in 2011.
    I have to say, I was and still am angry at the Oz Government for promoting the availability of jobs the way the did via various UK media. They made it sound like there would be more than enough jobs to choose from.
    I am a skilled Mechanical Fitter by trade, have HNC’s in Engineering, HND’s in business, was a self employed Financial Adviser for a few years, and have spent many years making aeroplane wings as a Fitter, Inspector and Quality Engineer. But could I convince some interviewers that all my skills were transferable and I was very adaptable? You must be joking.
    Examplel: I went for a job making canopies for flatbed pick ups and the guy asked me why I had come for this interview because we ‘don’t make aeroplanes’. I tried to explain that engineering principles were pretty much agile and could be applied to many industries..it’s all nuts and bolts etc. And the physics is the same. He just could not understand how someone from the aircraft manufacturing industry could do other things too. I encountered many Oz interviewers with this same lack of understanding.
    One guy even asked my ‘how could you cope with the heat and the dust of the outback when you are from England?’. I replied ‘pretty much the same as my English forefathers did when they colonised your country’.
    Basically I am saying that I found many interviewers a bit backwards and naive. They just don’t understand being flexible, adapting to different work environments and certainly don’t understand the transfer of skills.
    And the Oz Government want to get their act together an stop ‘flowering’ up what it is like to get a job in Oz. I found out that it’s a joke.
    Regards, Kevin

    • BobinOz July 29, 2015, 9:39 pm | Link

      Firstly Kevin, sorry to hear about your mum.

      As for jobs in Australia, there are never any guarantees, not for anyone. Getting a job is always about the interview, the skills and qualifications get you in the door, but the interview is where you get the job. So that’s why there are no guarantees.

      You mention the government spouting on about loads of jobs being available, but I think part of your problem was that you secured your visa in 2003, at a time when their probably were loads of jobs available, but you didn’t properly get here until 2011, a time when everyone here was starting to feel the pinch.

      I arrived here in 2007, Brisbane was booming, by 2010 it was all over and right now, I think everyone globally is suffering the fallout of the global financial crisis. Job availability is a moving target, I don’t think anybody including the government here are trying to mislead anyone, but they just can’t predict what’s going to happen next.

      Really sorry it didn’t work out for you, hope it works out in the future.

      Good luck, Bob

      • kevin Tyler July 30, 2015, 6:36 am | Link

        2007 I got there, but that’s academic now…lol. Cheers Bob………..good site by the way.
        Good luck

        • BobinOz July 30, 2015, 6:41 pm | Link

          Yes, what I meant was you didn’t stay long at that time and had to go back a year later, you didn’t return to stay in Australia ‘properly’ until 2011, but as you say, it is academic now. Glad you like my website 🙂

  • Jason Odlin July 26, 2015, 9:42 am | Link

    Hi there Bob,

    I’ve been reading your website for a while and you’ve provided some awesome and valuable information. I’m 19 and beginning my degree in law (UK) in September and I’m looking to a move down under in the future when I am fully qualified and experienced, which admittedly will probably be around 10-12 years or so yet before I am able to make the move, but as my dad often said to me it’s good to have a plan in place. Hopefully the job market will be improved by then as that’s the one thing that really appears to be concerning, particularly for my preferred residence choice of Adelaide. Plus I hear jobs in the legal sector are particularly difficult to come by at the moment in Oz? I don’t know if you know anyone who has experience of this, hopefully in a decade or so you reckon things may be improving? Cheers.

    • BobinOz July 26, 2015, 11:52 pm | Link

      Yes, a close friend of mine here moved from England and now works as a lawyer here in Australia. She did have to retrain a bit before she was qualified to practice in Australia, so do bear that in mind.

      You might like to look into how you can do that by distance learning before you arrive, if that is possible.

      Other than that, as you say, 10 to 12 years is a long way away and who knows what the job market will be like them. Good, hopefully.

      You have much to do first though, like qualifying and getting that valuable work experience 🙂

      Good luck, Bob

      • Jason Odlin July 27, 2015, 12:03 am | Link

        Thanks for the reply yeah I’ve been looking into it and I reckon there’s around 5 or 6 modules you have to complete to re qualify down under if I remember correctly, plus of course gotta make it in England first

        Anyway thanks for the reply again

        • BobinOz July 27, 2015, 7:50 pm | Link

          One step at a time 🙂 Good luck with your plans Jason, hope it all works out.

  • Graeme Lloyd May 23, 2015, 2:08 am | Link

    Bob, sorry if I’m overlooking something here, but the table above states they’re only 19 vacancies for secondary school teachers (my field), in the whole of Australia….?

    Yet, I’ve just searched for ‘Teacher’ in the Brisbane area, and it’s coming up with 125 vacancies alone…(see here: http://www.adzuna.com.au/search?loc=98644&q=teacher).

    What am I missing?

    Thanks,
    Gra

    • BobinOz May 24, 2015, 9:18 pm | Link

      If you go to this page…

      http://www.adzuna.com.au/browse/teaching-jobs

      You will see a breakdown of all teacher jobs into smaller categories, I selected (at the time) Secondary School as a subcategory, so that’s why the numbers are so costly different.

      At the moment ‘Secondary School’ isn’t even appearing there as a choice, but it was there when I wrote this article. If you manually search for ‘teacher secondary school’ in the search box at the top, it comes up with 24 vacancies currently Australia wide.

      I think that’s probably where our differences are? I checked the UK website and if you look at all vacancies for all teachers, you will see that there is a subcategory for secondary school teachers and there are currently nearly 3000 vacancies, but as I say, nothing showing for Australia at the moment.

      Cheers, Bob

  • reg April 23, 2015, 6:00 pm | Link

    Sorry Bob.
    Just realised that you sell infomation to would be migrants, so thats how you make your money?
    I dont think i need to say anymore so i won’t

    • BobinOz April 23, 2015, 8:44 pm | Link

      Reg, the reason it took you a while to realise that I do offer some products is because there are over 1000 pages of free information on this website and just 8 pages that offer something for sale.

      I’ve been writing this website for more than six years now, I didn’t offer a single product for almost 3 years, writing about my move to Australia has always been my passion, not my way of making a living.

      This whole website is about helping people who want to migrate to Australia, but there were certain things I couldn’t help with. I couldn’t help with the actual application for visas, only MARA migration agents can help with that. I couldn’t help with job search and finding employment and I couldn’t help with resume writing and a few other specific things. So I found experts that could and I offered their products.

      Because this website is about helping people who want to move to Australia. And these products do help people, I’ve personally reviewed every product to make sure they do help and I’m on a strip on an ongoing basis.

      And you think it’s okay to imply that I am writing about Australia as I do simply to make money? Trying to pretend it’s a great country simply for my own benefit?

      You’re funny.

      Whatever you feel though, it doesn’t alter the fact that it doesn’t cost $1200 a week to rent a house in Sydney and the Queensland job market isn’t as bad as you have suggested. That’s all I wanted to point out to my readers, I’m really not sure what your angle is in continuing on with this discussion.

  • reg April 21, 2015, 5:20 pm | Link

    Hi Bob,
    Why are you so defensive? Do you get paid for every migrant or something?

    Surely fellow would be migrants have the right to question if Australia really is the land of milk and honey.

    $1200 is what a few guys from work were paying for a 4 bedroom run down house 45 minutes from the city, admittedly it was a year ago but the fact remains rent is extremely expensive, just look at realestate.com to see the truth.

    By your own admission you have been lucky enough to have never been out of work. So how do you know what it is like to find a job in this current climate or do you just look at the majority of falsified jobs on offer through the Job Network providers.

    Today tonight did a report on this fiasco a few weeks ago, so i am not making this up either.

    I am sure this post will get shot down just the same as my last comments and Jnr’s alike.
    As far as getting in on your skills, you may be able to enter australia for migration purposes but it doesnt mean your qualifications will be recognised here, just ask the highly skilled taxi drivers or PSA’s working in the hospitals or the qualified pommie builders, plumbers and electricians who have to go back to school just so they can apply for jobs as carpenters.
    All i ask of people is to take off the rose coloured glasses and see australia for what it really is, because by the time you’ve sold up and spent your money migrating here it is too late.

    Don’t make a judgement on migrating here because of my comments or Bob’s, do your own unbiased research on house prices, unemployment, underemployment and youth unemployment, then take a delve into the Job network provider fiasco and make up your own mind if it’s worth the risk.
    Like my mate always says “Same S*** just a shiny expensive shovel”
    Thanks and good luck with whatever decision you make.
    P.s
    I hear there are some jobs going in the Mines, shame they are redundancies and not vacancies.

    • BobinOz April 22, 2015, 5:37 pm | Link

      It’s nothing to do with being defensive Reg, it’s about making sure my readers are not fed incorrect information. Incidentally, I didn’t say that I’d never been out of work, I have, what I did say was that since moving to Australia I’ve been self-employed. So I do know what it’s like to be out of work, and although I’ve never actively sought employment in this country, I know what it’s like here in Brisbane from the experiences of my friends. So when you suggested that Queensland was struggling right now, I wanted to let my readers know my take on that.

      That’s why I gave you the list of the people I know who have recently secured work.

      Today Tonight? Don’t make me laugh, it’s a TV show in the business of frightening the beejesus out of people.

      As I have already said, I wrote this post to warn people that Australia is not the greatest place right now to find jobs. Yes, people really should do their research, so I agree with you on that. People should also be aware that they will need to, in some cases, retrain so that they can work in their particular skill when they get here.

      I’ve mentioned this many times in other places on this website; electricians, lawyers, plumbers, there are so many professions where qualifications might not be recognised here. Yes, people really should do their research.

    • Barnet May 11, 2015, 1:09 am | Link

      The whole set up in Australia in regards many things from the basic cost of living, to job oportunities as well as the demographics has changed dramatically over the last couple of decades & no doubt will continue on that path towards the end of the first quarter of the 21 century.Before making any decision on emigration from anywhere, irregardless, whether from a wealthy developed nation such as those of the EU or a less developed one, one rearly needs to do very thorough research across the whole spectrum & not just take for granted what the official (Gov’t)version is.Although this would seem to be stating the obvious, it is amazing how many folk neglect this necessity.What one imagines in one minds eye does not always correspond to the reality.what one individual regards as a paradise might indeed turn out to be a “Hell on Earth” for another.There are many folk out there in Australia with very little cash or capital who are now prepared to work for considerably less than the average wage in all manor of fields from higher professions through the Trades to the lesser skilled menial jobs,where $10 p/h is common(i am on $14.88 p/h, i also rearly enjoy my job & i don’t have responsibilities) For example competition in the hospitality industry is such that if the owners payed the Award wage, half the restaurants & Coffee shops would close tomorrow.Rents in Sydney “are” way above many folks affordability,relative to their income, a small two bedroom unit within a 15kms of the City heading west is approx $480-650 per week.a house about $900 or more depending.Also as far as the trades & professions go, in specific fields apparently (“i have been told”) there are some differences between the Australian qualification & it’s overseas counterpart,to cater for these differences, that the Government provides “bridging courses” through the TAFE & University system taylored to those in need.It’s also true, that the average Taxi-base in Sydney has enough trades People & professionals for what one would need if one were looking build a colony on Mars.However! unfortunately it’s also true that many of these supposed qualifications are worth no more than the paper their written on, however unpalatable this may sound to some.Of course this does not hold true in every instance, i have many good friends who drive taxis & some of them do hold other valid qualifications.
      All said & done”just my opinion” but if i was coming from another relatively wealthy developed nation the “financial gain” aspect of my criterior would not be the major consideration unless i was on a contract of some sort.However having said that, yes if one is moving one’s entire family one needs to cater for their welfare.

      • Barnet May 11, 2015, 10:36 pm | Link

        Correction: Regarding Rents,
        Units; Yes there are some available from approx $350-500
        Houses: > $550 within 1/2 hr by train of the CBD
        Just check the Real estate pages for more info.

        • BobinOz May 11, 2015, 11:20 pm | Link

          Sound advice Barnet. I would say that exercising caution and doing thorough research is essential in the current climate. And definitely look into whether your skills and qualifications will be recognised here, because if you do need further training to comply with Australian standards, you really don’t want that coming as a surprise after you get here.

  • reg April 14, 2015, 9:19 am | Link

    Having been self employed as a flooring installer from 1999-2011 here in South Australia Queensland and Tasmania I can tell you now hand on heart things have changed dramatically.
    Rates have stagnated /dropped significantly and the amount of work available is dismal.
    I know many tradies who are now working at bunnings and coles because there simply is no work out there.
    Apparently Sydney is still going strong but the rates are no better than anywhere else in Australia and the cost of living there is horrendous, try $1200 week rent for a crappy 4 bed house. Road tolls etc etc.
    So my 2c worth is don’t believe the hype Australia is great and the streets are paved in gold, we are struggling and now that the mining boom is well and truly over it is only going to get worse.
    If you have a decent life in the UK stay there, enjoy your family and loved ones because the trade off it simply isn’t worth it anymore.

    • BobinOz April 14, 2015, 9:51 pm | Link

      Reg, I wrote this post specifically to alert people that our streets are not paved with gold these days. But it isn’t helpful when people like you come in and start making wildly inaccurate claims, like it costs $1200 a week to rent in Sydney, its just not true.

      We had someone called Jnr trying to suggest the same sort of thing just a couple of months ago, so if you, or anyone else wants to know why you are wrong, please read the full conversation here…

      https://www.bobinoz.com/migration-advice/calculating-your-comfortable-family-income-in-australia/#comment-42048

      Of the places you mention I do know that both SA and Tassie are the two states in Australia in which it is genuinely tough trying to get work. But Queensland, which is where I live, things are not as bad as you are suggesting in my experience.

      Let me talk about a few of my friends. Bloke, 40s, qualified architect, not much work available in that line, so he got a job in real estate, selling houses. Trained for a year, qualified, sold houses, made money and just before Christmas, got a better job selling new houses for a builder.

      Another bloke, 40s, fixes TV aerials, plenty of work on. Two sparkies, self employed, neither are going short. Gardener, 50s, so much work on he’s working weekends and also worked over Easter trying to catch up. Kid, 18 years old, trained as a chef, been in constant employment since he left school and recently changed jobs and working for a posh city restaurant.

      A couple, both early 40s arrived in here from UK in November last year, she got a job in a childcare facility within a month, he got a job working for a company that does maintenance in January.

      Another bloke, working on the NBN, the fast Internet, didn’t like the company he was working for and so last year secured a good job with another company.

      I could go on, but you get the point.

      I’m sorry you’re having a hard time, but please, let’s only provide accurate information and whilst I think people should do thorough research to see how likely it is that they will find work here first before coming over, I think blindly telling people who are doing OK in the UK to stay put is not good advice.

      Cheers, Bob

  • Tia April 13, 2015, 4:42 pm | Link

    Hi Bob,

    I came across a very interesting situation regarding getting a job here in Melbourne.I successfully passed several interviews and the company called me asking when will I get my citizenship.I advised them during the interview that I currently hold a PR and will be getting a citizenship in near future. I really like this company and I do not want to lose such an opportunity just because I do not have a citizenship. What do you suggest I can do in this case?

    Thank you for you time in advance.

    Regards,
    Tia

    • BobinOz April 14, 2015, 1:45 am | Link

      I assume you don’t know yet if you are going to be offered the job? Well, you have already answered their question, so I’m not sure what we can do about it now.

      But I think the answer you have given is just fine. I think the reason they asked it is to see if you are committed to staying in Australia, nothing worse that getting an employee all settled in and working as part of a team only to see them quit to return home.

      I reckon they just wanted to know you’re here to stay and your answer said exactly that.

      Good luck Tia, hope you get the job.

      • Tia April 15, 2015, 10:21 am | Link

        Hi Bob,

        The company got back to me today saying they have another position for me which does not need citizenship. 😀 They are doing the referee check etc now. Hopefully I will get the job. Thank you for your prompt reply.

        regards,
        Tia

        • BobinOz April 16, 2015, 12:49 am | Link

          That sounds very promising Tia, hope you get an offer. Not sure who the employer is, but I think some jobs can only be offered to citizens. I’m really not sure which ones, but maybe those that are responsible for the security or safety of Australians.

          I have my fingers crossed for you 🙂 Bob

  • Priyal April 10, 2015, 1:15 pm | Link

    Hey,I am from India.I have worked in India for 3 years as Test Analyst.I got married to a guy who lives in sydney and travelled with him on tourist Visa.I got my permanent Visa in last August and looking for job from then.It seems like almost impossible for me to get a job as i donot have local experience and have got a career gap of 1.5 years.I tried submitting my resumes on all companies websites and in Seek and Indeed.Seeking for help from everywhere possible…I am thinking to travel back and work in INDIA,instead of being a house wife here.However,I dont want to stay away from my hubby.He cannot move back to India due to financial commitment.I understand that i need to compromise with one thing now.What do you think is the best option for me:
    1.To go back and work in India
    2.To stay here with my hubby and settle down for some other jobs like Sales Assosiates in Target and BigW.I am not sure how long i can rely on these Jobs.
    Thanks

    • BobinOz April 11, 2015, 4:43 am | Link

      I don’t know exactly what a Test Analyst is or how much in demand it is here, so I don’t know whether it should be easy or not for you to find work. I also don’t know what ‘local experience’ means.

      I’ve heard it mentioned before, I think it might just really mean they’d rather employ a local, an Aussie, and not someone from elsewhere.

      What else can it mean?

      There you go, I’ve said it out loud, if I get into hot water my defence will be I’m not an employer so I’m just guessing anyway. What do I know?

      But here’s the good news. Not all employers prefer ‘local experience’, I’ve heard from employers who would rather employ anyone except an Aussie!

      So whilst I can’t decide what you should do, I can say that if it were me, I’d stay. I’d wait until you do get a chance. Stay with your hubby, it’s what’s supposed to be. It’ll all work out.

      • Priyal April 11, 2015, 8:44 pm | Link

        Thank you Bob.I will give myself some more time and will work harder.Hoping for the best

        • BobinOz April 12, 2015, 1:34 am | Link

          I do hope it works out for you Priyal, you just need one break and everything can quickly turn around. Good luck, Bob

          • Priyal September 16, 2015, 9:48 am | Link

            Sorry for replying after 5 months.I was able to successfully find a job 3 months go and I am happy with my life now.Thank you everyone,specially Isie,Bob and Barnet for your suggestions.

            • BobinOz September 16, 2015, 11:54 pm | Link

              That is fantastic news Priyal, congratulations! And thanks for coming back and letting us know, I’m glad it’s all working out now. Take care, Bob

        • Isie April 22, 2015, 9:55 pm | Link

          Priyal,
          Hi, I’m new to this site so feel free to totally ignore my advice, but I’ve been updating my CV/resume in preparation for my Aussie jobhunt and have decided to use a professional CV writer to prepare it for me. They know how to make it stand out, and what grabs the employers’ attention. I don’t – I’ve worked in the same company for 10 years and am not remotely up to date on recruitment nowadays. I am also having my Linked In profile rewritten so it should show up in more searches.
          Maybe these are things to consider?
          Also, I’d probably take the less desirable shop work than be separated from my husband. It is said it is easier to find work when in work, so it could be part of your job hunt strategy.

          Like I said, no idea if this will work for me yet, but it might be an avenue to explore.

          Bob – any views on professional resume writers?

          • BobinOz April 23, 2015, 6:42 pm | Link

            Hi Isie

            Well yes, I do agree with you, I believe it is worth investing in a professional CV and I have for some time been recommending a company called The Resume Centre. I have spoken to the owner personally, I’ve tested their systems and checked the prices they charge.

            They are good at what they do. You can pay up to $800 with some companies, maybe even more, but with this company that prices are extremely reasonable which is why I recommend them.

            You will see a banner to the right-hand side of every page, it’s a square one, light blue background with the words “Need an Expert to write your Resume?”

            Good luck, Bob

      • Barnet May 10, 2015, 11:17 pm | Link

        Very True!
        Specially in the semi or low skilled categories, mostly to do with
        wages or for communication reasons, where there is little no direct customer contact.

  • djmcbell April 9, 2015, 5:15 pm | Link

    I’m now looking on adzuna and am a tad worried.

    We’re just about to begin the visa process (well, we have begun to get stuff ready, but no money has changed hands and we haven’t signed anything). Searching for a job wasn’t something I was especially looking forward to, but this makes it scarier.

    Hmm… I need to hunt for jobs to make me less worried and reassure myself.

    • BobinOz April 11, 2015, 4:09 am | Link

      I’m not surprised you’re a bit worried, but I think there might be something strange going on with these figures. I don’t feel as though I live in a country where work is hard to find, I’m not hearing stories of woe.

      I think much depends on what your skill is and how good you are at interviews, but it is prudent to do plenty of research. How do you do that research though? You can only really look at the numbers because you usually won’t get much out of any potential employers until you’re here with a working visa and ready to start.

      Tricky.

    • KLS May 4, 2015, 10:11 pm | Link

      Hi, just to add my bit in here. I came from the UK to Perth in June 2012 and as others have said it was really hard to find a job as most wanted local experience and local qualifications. It took me 11 months to find a secure full-time job. I managed to get a bit of casual work inbetween that which I found from looking on seek.com.au. Despite people saying they love it in oz, I can tell you that not all locals are so welcoming to us POMS. Overall it’s not too bad but in the job hunt be prepared for many knock-backs and very few returned calls and emails. Just keep plugging away at it and things will fall into place. I landed a job paying $100k so was all worth it in the end, just keep looking everyday.

      • BobinOz May 5, 2015, 5:32 pm | Link

        Thanks for sharing your experiences KLS, sound advice as well, keep plugging away.

        Jobs don’t fall into peoples laps these days, especially for newly arrived migrants. I get the impression though that once you land that first job and get on the Australian job train and prove that you can work here, then that will hold you in good stead should you need to apply for a another job later on.

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