Melbourne

Living in Melbourne

Melbourne CityMelbourne is the capital of Victoria and the second largest city in Australia. It has a population of around 4.35 million people and is on the southern coast of the eastern half of Australia’s mainland. Melbourne is sheltered from the ocean by the beautiful Port Phillip Bay.
Melbourne Location
According to the Economist Intelligence Unit’s 2014 Liveability Survey, Melbourne is the most liveable city in the world, claiming top spot for the fourth year in a row. A high recommendation indeed.

Melbourne is divided by the Yarra River that flows straight through the heart of the city. And what a beautiful city it is. It has the charm of a tram system and a beautiful mix of tall modern skyscrapers and established historic buildings with great architecture.

Melbourne seems to attract a greater variety of immigrants than any other city in Australia. There are more than 200 different nationalities making it one of the most multicultural cities in the world. It has a large Greek contingent, as well as Italians, Chinese, Spanish, Portuguese and Indian residents. It is also a young person’s city with almost half of the population aged under 35.

The streets have a lively feel about them and Melburnians enjoy live music, performing arts, including public street performances, fashion, independent music and independent film.

But you can still make off for the beach. St Kilda and Brighton beaches are both close to the city and are highly recommended. A little further out will find you at Sandringham and further still, Mordialloc beach. Both are very popular. But if you want some really stunning beach scenery, you only need to jump into your car for about an hour or so and you’ll be at the beginning of the Great Ocean Road. It starts at Torquay and winds for about four or five hour’s worth of driving and takes you all the way to Warrnambool.

What’s the weather like?

Melbourne Annual WeatherMelbourne is known as a city that can have four seasons in one day. They have weather that can turn on a sixpence. I have experienced this myself, sort off. A lunchtime temperature of around 35°C turned into a chilling 16°C by around five o’clock in the evening.

Wild winds and thunderstorms can descend out of clear blue skies and winters can be quite cold and very dull, with probably the fewest hours of sunshine found anywhere in Australia.

But summers can be extremely hot and very dry. The intense heat often stops trains from running on their tracks and some areas have a high risk of bushfires.

I loved Melbourne when I was there, the city has a really good feel about it. I’d be tempted to live there if I felt I could cope with the winters, but I’m not sure that I can. Best I stay in Brisbane then.

Here’s a map of the Greater Melbourne area:

Greater Melbourne Map
Melbourne can be broken down into five main geographical areas:

Each of those areas contain Local Government Areas (LGA’s) which I have listed next to each geographical area.

  • Inner Melbourne – includes the LGA’s City, Docklands, Port Phillip and Yarra.
  • Northern Melbourne – includes the LGA’s Banyule, Darebin, Hume, Moonee Valley, Moreland, Nillumbik and Whittlesea.
  • South Eastern Melbourne – includes the LGA’s Bayside, Cardinia, Casey, Greater Dandenong, Glen Eira, Kingston, Monash and Stonnington. Both Frankston and Mornington Peninsula are part of South Eastern Suburbs but are not shown on this map. They’re both south of Kingston and overlook Port Phillip Bay. A fair way from the city centre, but a stones throw to the sea.
  • Eastern Melbourne – includes the LGA’s Boroondara, Knox, Manningham, Maroondah, Whitehorse and Yarra Ranges.
  • Western Melbourne – includes the LGA’s Brimbank, Hobsons Bay, Maribyrnong and Wyndham.

Details of Melbourne’s suburbs are listed on my sub pages for Melbourne which you can access from the main navigation menu above by hovering over ‘Australian Cities’ and then ‘Melbourne’.

Questions about Melbourne?

If you have any question about living in Melbourne, please please feel free to ask them in the comments below. Or if you know this city well, why not tell us what you think of it or maybe even help out by answering some of the questions people have about the area. I’m sure anybody thinking of moving here would be very grateful for any help you can give them.

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  • SHilpa May 23, 2017, 4:19 am | Link

    Hi Mark,

    I am moving to melbourne mid september- october. I have a job in Mt Evelyn. I am looking to live midway between the CBD and work. I am moving on my own, so looking for some nice areas to rent in, accessible to shops, cafe, activities in the city. I am not too keen on night life but want to live close to CBD so that I can use public transport or car to get into the city. Wonder how ringwood and Box hill suits these? As I will be travelling against traffic so dont mind a bit of a drive towards work.

  • David May 17, 2017, 11:16 pm | Link

    I am starting work in Macleod (NE Suburb) and I am looking for a rental ($<350pw) close to shops/services etc, on the rail to CBD. What is best, Greensborough or Heidelberg?

    • Mark May 19, 2017, 9:37 am | Link

      Heidelberg is perhaps the better one of the two Both can be a bit congested at rush hour Heidelberg has far more in the way of shops, cafes, services, shopping that you ask for than Greensborough

  • venkata May 12, 2017, 8:10 pm | Link

    hi
    could anyone tell me the best place to live for a Indian family (boys of 4 and 8 year old)of 4 who is planning to migrate from uk to melbourne east?i want to know where there are good secondary schools as well primary schools near to SEVILLE & YARRA JUNCTION ?if you could also tell me the cost of living ,that would be helpful?
    Many thanks
    Venkata

    • Mark May 13, 2017, 11:18 am | Link

      Hi I am struggling to answer on this one as its not really Melbourne East more like East of Melbourne its quite a way out form the city some 70 kms. Where you are looking Yarra Junction etc. I presume there is a job there or something pulling you that way.

      • venkata May 13, 2017, 5:40 pm | Link

        Hu Mark
        Thanks for getting back .Yeah u are right I got a job there.Kindly let me know which places are family and kids friendly in and around Yarra Junction as well as East of melbourne pls.Keeping kids in mind i’m looking for good primary and secondary schools as well as parks.
        txx
        Venkat

        • Mark May 13, 2017, 6:34 pm | Link

          I personally have no idea and not sure anyone in here is going to pop in with your answer You may be better googling to see if there is a Yarra Junction website forum anything, its too far out of Melbourne to likely find anyone on here that can answer but you never know, Have a look at the schools in the area then look on say face book for PTA types, maybe you can PM someone on there assuming you have Facebook, Good look with it all Sorry I cant answer

        • venkata May 14, 2017, 12:50 am | Link

          Hi
          Could anyone let me know good family friendly,residential area to rent house or 2BHK apartment with good primary and secondary schools near seville (East of melbourne)?
          Thanks Anyways Mark for letting me know.

          • Cassy May 23, 2017, 1:31 am | Link

            Hey venkata,

            Seville is on the Warburton Highway between the townships of Lilydale and Yarra Junction in the Yarra Valley. Pretty much everywhere in the eastern suburbs of Melbourne is family friendly. Yarra Junction has both primary and secondary school options. Seville has a primary school. Lilydale has many options for both primary and secondary schools. Perhaps look on realestate.com.au to see what rentals are worth in these areas and what suits your budget. You can also google schools in these towns and get a bit of an idea of what they might be like as well as researching the towns themselves to see what is available and what might suit your family best. Yarra Junction is further from the city. Lilydale is on the edge of Melbourne Suburbs and has easier access to public transport, bigger shopping centres, etc. Best of luck and look forward to you becoming a local here!

    • David May 21, 2017, 3:15 pm | Link

      Towns like Healesville and Emerald, both east of Melbourne, are well within driving distance of Seville, and both are probably similar in terms of shops, supermarkets, etc. A problem with Healesville is that you’d be going with traffic morning and evening, whereas with Emerald, for example, you’d be travelling cross-country (nice drive, too!), so the traffic conditions would be much lighter. The only difference with respect to cost of living in any area comes down to the cost of housing, whether buying or renting; all other things are going to be pretty equal, such as grocery prices. There are plenty of private schools in addition to government schools in the greater area to the outer east of Melbourne.

      • venkata May 22, 2017, 1:21 am | Link

        Hi David
        Thanks for the reply and all the information u provided.

    • David May 21, 2017, 3:36 pm | Link

      Correcting what I wrote earlier. Healesville would mostly be cross-country but there is a section of travel required along the Warburton Hwy. Google Earth states 20 minutes but that may blow out in peak hour. Yarra Junction, however, would involve travelling in peak hour traffic all the way to get to/from Seville unless your employer is offering flexible start and finish times, thus enabling you to avoid the worst of the traffic.

  • Julien May 12, 2017, 7:43 pm | Link

    Hey Bob, Mark and all,

    I am a 31 years old Frenchman with an opportunity to move to Melbourne. I have a job offer pending to work in Clayton (next to the Monash Uni campus). I am trying to get a feel for the different south eastern suburbs but its quite tricky to do without being there. Maybe you can give me some info?

    About me: I am single, no kids so school availability is not important. I will have to buy a car for my job but still want close proximity to transport to access the city centre on my downtime without having to be stuck in the traffic (ideally 30mins from Clayton by car, 30mins from the city by train). I am not a party animal and don’t care too much about clubs. However, I’m looking for a dynamic neighbourhood, with cafes, art, music and young professional like me, not too family oriented I guess; proximity to the water and parks would be great. As an example, I liked the feel of Fitzroy when I was in Melbourne a few years back; I didn’t care much for St Kilda west and the backpacker central feel.
    I was looking at elwood, mentone and Oakleigh for example. My budget would be around 300AUD/pw.

    Best regards.

    • Mark May 13, 2017, 11:08 am | Link

      Hi Julien. Thanks for all the info it makes answering the question easy…Whether the answer helps you is of course another matter. OK first of all Fitzroy yes ist fist your trendy young professional area almost perfectly but!!! You will probably drive yourself mad trying to get from Fitzroy to Clayton.. In fairness you are going against the traffic once past the line of the CBD area but you have to get that far.. Give it a try when your here..It might be easy to find a short term stay there whilst you explore where to live .I am not sure having never done that drive at rush hour, but I reckon 30 minutes might not be enough. I cant really say anywhere is an area full of young professionals. Not like if you know Paris say the 17th Batignolles or 11th or even the 10th Canal St Martin as areas you may favor. With the exception of Fitzroy and the St Kilda many other places are all an eclectic mix of people….
      So where else may suit that leans towards your choices. Well have a look at the map and anywhere in the area M1 M3 and the water will suit…Im sure something will fit the budget apartment wise and of course you have the bay for the water the closer you get to it. Mordialloc may suit. Dont be put off its a distance away 30 minutes should be a doddle. Mentone again towards the bay is nice as is anywhere along there. Have a drive round on google maps down the Nepean Highway from say Brighton to Mordialloc you pass through Mentone and have a look on the coast road as well. You may glean something from some posts I wrote with Kirsty lower down who whilst she has family has been before. Oakleigh I would remove form your list It has three parts Oakleigh, south and east but I dont feel any fit you Oakleigh itself is great for a Greek meal in fact your hard pressed to find much else. Elwood would score high but again lack of parks and spaces may put you off unless your near the beach.. Have a drive down route 33 from Elwood as far as Mordialloc will give you a feel.. All have great train access to City there are two lines heading out in that M1 M3 area. Hope this helps

      • Julien May 13, 2017, 9:04 pm | Link

        Thanks for your answer Mark, it’s very helpful. I’ll do some google map cruisin’ to check the suggested places and get a feel for it. Cheers.

  • Denis May 9, 2017, 9:52 pm | Link

    Melbourne awesom city, definitelly… worth to visit worth to live. Temp and weather better then elsewhere
    https://oplao.com/en/weather/Melbourne_AU

  • Lorraine April 19, 2017, 3:58 am | Link

    What a FANTASTIC website! There are not enough hours in the day to look at all the pages of information and advice (although I do try to find time as much as possible!) Having recently filled in the assessment form and spoken to Simon Earles, your MARA agent, (who is excellent by the way), I’ve become more than obsessed with moving to Australia. (There are a few hoops to jump through first, of course).
    My mum lives in Colac, Victoria, so we are limited to probably the Geelong area. Our main priorities are being close to a beach (20mins drive max really), schools and medical facilities. My husband is a Physiotherapist and I am a Primary Teacher (wondering if I will struggle for work actually as there doesn’t seem to much other than Early Years or Special Needs Teachers on job websites). What do you think of Clifton Springs, Drysdale and surrounding areas? It is unlikely that we will get there for at least 18 months and we are busy researching everything we can possibly think of! Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer.

    • Mark April 19, 2017, 8:37 am | Link

      I have a key question before answering, Is Mom a big part of this equation E.g child minder,drop pick up from school etc etc… I ask because in looking around Geelong and Colac you are limiting yourselves with opportunities The beach bit is easy anywhere near Torquay and around say Ocean grove through I am sure Mom can help there… Yes wherever there is people this is schools and medical facilities but its somewhat proportionate to population….Have a read of a post with Matt and myself on this site .. its here http://www.bobinoz.com/migration-advice/specific-questions-about-australian-visas/ You have to get lower down his replies as his first concern was his working entitlement…but then we got into Geelong etc etc ..Just save typing it all again…My point being if Mom can be in a hour or so drive you may be better positioned somewhere else…Fact, there is less schools that side same can be said for medical facilities…weighed up against a on hand childminder equals? Now I am guessing you have not been as Mom may have played a bigger part of the equation even in asking where to go…
      Same as said to Matt though look towards Ocean Grove and surrounds in the Ballarine Peninsula. However if you can have mum closer (as in not UK) but and hour or two then look elsewhere…

      • BobinOz April 19, 2017, 6:46 pm | Link

        Thanks for the kind words about my website and Simon Lorraine, much appreciated. Yes, there is lots of information on this site, I think I currently have around 1400 pages in all plus thousands and thousands of comments.

        Pretty sure the complete Harry Potter series might be longer though, so it is possible. Keep at it 🙂

        • Lorraine April 22, 2017, 3:42 am | Link

          Hi Bob,
          I would add to my comments about Simon Earles actually- if anyone is hesitant or unsure about completing the assessment they really don’t need to be. The feedback is very thorough and Simon is very knowledgeable. My husband and I were both really impressed and would recommend the service to anyone! Great value for money too!

          • BobinOz April 24, 2017, 8:00 pm | Link

            Yes, I’m very lucky to have Simon working with me, as you say, he is very thorough and really knows his stuff. Glad to hear he helped you and your husband.

      • Lorraine April 22, 2017, 3:36 am | Link

        Thanks Mark. I’ve had a good look around (virtually on Google Earth and various websites) over the last few days and have been looking closer to Melbourne. Places like Williamstown, Point Cook, Sandringham, seem to be more built up and have more than Clifton Springs and Drysdale as there doesn’t seem to be much going on there. I suppose we won’t really know until we get there and have a good look around. At least we have the luxury of being able to stay with my mum for a while until we find the right place for us. The main issue is sussing out if it’s actually feasible for us to move so this research is the main building block to us making the leap or not. My husband isn’t as keen as me to move so if I can show him the benefits of living over there by finding a good area, near a beach etc etc then the easier that will be!

        • Mark April 22, 2017, 8:07 am | Link

          OK my best advice , is forget mom (sorry Mom) only joking, have her an hour and a half drive or ferry ride away….Your right in your google driving around.. There is not much at Clifton springs and Drysdale in comparison to Wiliamstown and Point Cook but I wouldn’t be there either ….If you are intent on staying west side then look on the Ballarine towards Ocean Grove, Queenscliff way etc but its a trek and harde t get to any city parts However in my jokey forget Mom advice, have a read of South Eastern suburbs in Bobs drop down menu above….Id personally if your on a sales trip (to Hubby) You really need to look the other side…Have a read down below Kirsty Davies who has spent time In Melbourne. She knows where was best straight away.. the East side and anywhere South of Mordailloc especially when you get to say South Frankston and South of there on the Mornington Peninsula.
          I was sold on Point Cook by my wife until we got here then we saw the place and this http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/news/point-cook-wants-to-break-away-from-australia-fedup-with-being-ignored-by-governments/news-story/e0a23072a9a8fae662e8f3c2f04fe7a7. It will undoubtedly get better and no doubt has but if your on a sales mission present the best…
          We ended up with a beach house Ocean Grove way but I would not live there…Most things are on the East side You only have to look at Ikea One Richmond, one Springvale…
          On the west you have just the one main road leads south on the east you have three to four. Take a google drive south down the Nepean Highway from say Franskton, take a drive down Mornington Main street Take a drive on the Nepean at Mordialloc you can even drive down it from Mordialloc to Franskston and on ….Ignore all the crossings and railroad on left its all being re done. Go down as far as Sorrento, perhaps too far to live, that is your ferry to Queenscliffe and Mom or drive around. Look at Mt Eliza Mt Martha and all around there…Inland a bit even, if you have a pool, beach 10 to 20 minutes drive is fine ..have a look at this… http://www.realestate.com.au/property-house-vic-botanic+ridge-125197098 Its 100K more expensive than its counterpart in Point Cook but with good reason. We are meeting a family with their two children today from UK they arrived Wednesday first time in Australia and moved visa job the lot …just to point them in directions and a coffee…I’ve likened it to landing at a big holiday caravan chalet site.. maybe just holiday spot, call it what you will ..Its always nice if you meet folk first or second day, where to go, get the best food, activities for kids etc etc, some of it you like some they say about you dont but that usually leads to something else…this is no different just a far bigger scale.

    • David May 21, 2017, 3:30 pm | Link

      If you want to live in a rural town, I wouldn’t overlook larger towns like Warrnambool (on the coast and a popular tourist destination; 1 hr 20 min from Colac) or Hamilton (2 hours from Colac), but overriding everything might be employment opportunities. Between Warrnambool and Colac are two other sizeable towns: Camperdown and Terang. Both on the Melbourne-Warrnambool railway line.
      Clifton Springs and Drysdale are small towns but there are much larger towns not too far away, such as Ballarat, Bendigo and Castlemaine, but a trip to the seaside from any of them, being well inland, would be an all-day affair.

  • Akah Lawrence April 19, 2017, 1:38 am | Link

    I love Melbourne. I want to move into the city before the end of the year.

    • Denis May 9, 2017, 9:54 pm | Link

      Definitelly worth it. The climate is awesome )

  • Hayley Stellenberg April 18, 2017, 10:48 pm | Link

    Hi
    My family will be relocating shortly from South Africa to Melbourne in that my husband has secured employment and will be based in central Melbourne. With a 15 year old daughter and 8 year old son, we are also looking for suburbs that offer Catholic schooling options & good transport as we will only have one vehicle initially. Ideally we would also like a 3 bedroom home. your assistance and expertise would be realty appreciated in this regard.

    • Mark April 19, 2017, 7:32 am | Link

      Hi Hayley
      if you read through some of the responses below like Kirsty Davies and Lizzie Doyle you will gleam a lot of info from them which saves me typing it all again..I am guessing by central Melbourne you mean the CBD…Id say the same to you as the others though you are looking for catholic schools as well they are scattered about including high schools which are of course less prevalent…Does you husband have a maximum commute time say train etc 15 minutes 30 or even 50 mins …You could alos look toward the east in general and have a look on real estate.com.au for houses underneath each house it also lists the schools nearby …There is an excellent catholic college / high called Padua..but that may be to much of a commute for you husband.

  • Lizzie Doyle April 10, 2017, 6:14 am | Link

    Hi Mark & all,
    Wow some great advice on these posts!
    Myself and my boyfriend are currently in the middle of our visa process (189), we are looking to live in Melbourne when we arrive at the end of the year. We are hoping to rent a property but are unsure of the area. We are looking for:
    *good public transport to city centre for my job
    *bars, restaurants and shops
    *netball and cricket clubs
    We are only 23 so we don’t want anything to quiet but we currently live directly in the middle of Manchester city centre so we don’t inner city living again! Just the right balance.
    My boyfriend is a secondary school teacher but will to drive within 45 mins.
    Thank you
    Lizzie

    • Mark April 10, 2017, 4:22 pm | Link

      Hi Lizzie Manchester a far and distant land, spent many an evening at the MEN arena. Working and hiding away Britney Spears might as well of moved in there….Sorry reminiscing. My immediate response is similar to Dave and Jo below. but I have a question or two…Roughly where in city are you CBD or at least East side that’s assuming you have secured a job, without visa??? Does ‘Mr Lizzie’ have a job and where. I am assuming you will look to public transport for city… If your partner has a job likely the same still applies I guess as a lot of secondary schools are out to the East or South East …Again a lot of what applied to Kirsty Davies applies to you. She favors being further south which I do but that makes your commute longer. The further south the it gets a bit cheaper. You should be OK renting bit its nothing like UK rentals it can be hard to get a place but I do have a trick I have shared with others to get the realtor in your pocket and putting you first, to explain if you have not read you can get 15 people turning up to rent one house. It gets tougher in Summer which looks like when your arriving maybe For schools apply online for jobs when you have your visa and remember schools shut here about a week before Christmas till first week of February for summer holidays.

      • Lizzie Doyle April 12, 2017, 3:24 am | Link

        WOW yes the MEN is right beside our house, we live right at the beginning of Rochdale Road at the moment.

        We are currently in the process of apply for a 189 visa – Liam my boyfriend being the main applicant as a Secondary School teacher. We are looking to arrive in October/November but as soon as we get a visa grant we shall be emailing and using LinkedIn to see if we can get employment before arriving. I would want to work ideally in the retail/beauty industry as a buying assistant, I have already been in contact with some recruiters who have told me to get back in touch once I arrive in Melbourne. Liam is hoping to purchase a second hand car so he can can travel easier, I am a not so confident driver (although I know this will need to change!) so would prefer to commute on the train to begin with.

        We also have family in Geelong but I seem to be getting advice to head over the other way? Still very unsure but we need to start deciding! Thanks again for all your advice

        • Mark April 12, 2017, 11:59 am | Link

          Hi Lizzie….Yes its all apartments and living in the city out that way now. Easy access for the city for you…Had many a laugh there. mostly the arena, driving the Zamboni for the ice when the Manchester Storm used to play, Hiding Becks and Posh from the people on the concourse when Giggsy broke the toilet flush in his box next door to ours at 4pm (he was there early) for a 7 maybe 8pm concert, that was Brittney I seem to remember.

          OK to your scenario Yes stay away from the West. We have a beach house Ocean Grove but that’s great for a beach house. not living there. The drive up to CBD is like doing the 62 from Middleton to Brighouse boring as…Actually its more boring, best analogy of Geelong would be say Leyland near Preston or even Preston, its miiles away from Manchester with a boring drive in between of rand not much there in the first place..Sorry if you come from Leyland or Preston, Leyland is 48km (30m) from Manchester. Geelong is 75km (48m) from Melbourne. if you had a job in Geelong it would be different response. ….Most of the population is East side and South East Google a map of Metropolitan Melbourne, you will see the east extends all the way down the South East side. That means two, three things, more jobs, more competition with suppliers as in cheaper prices, of course down sides more traffic, higher house prices and so on… some prospective Greater Manchester population close to 3 million, area some 1,266 km sq. Greater Melbourne population close to 5 million, area some 9,990 km sq Under double the population in 8 times the space.
          Im not sure you need to be close to the CBD then as your original post. There is many a school out East and South and far more jobs outside the city than in it including in your field I imagine. Bayswater and Dandenong are high in businesses, not great living in either but to work in, fine! . Have a read of the comments to Jo, Dave, and Kirsty, Kirsty id say has the better view, she has been before. Id say most of the same applies to you…But again if you want to look further South East like Kirtsy, it would only be like you living in Cheadle and working in Warrington or even living in say Lymm and working in Chester …That’s perhaps the area of Melbourne from say Chester to Rochdale then of course Its all easier commute, its easier driving…Look through some of Bob’s pages in the drop down on Melbourne for Eastern suburbs and South Eastern…Linkedin is OK, I personally don’t rate it well .. Get your visa, don’t apply without as you are just another problem to a potential employer, as they have said get in touch when here, thats why, you probably wont need a recruiter. Even if you secure one job you’ll be flying…This is a big permanent move at your ages…. Well done! I skipped USA for UK when I was 20 and now out here. Seek.com Australia is good for jobs. My wife is a teacher. Whats his speciality at secondary?. Dont forget a lot of private schools here and they are not like the UK ones. Hope all this helps for now. Sorry to Bob as I get messages here, I feel bad, its like Bob in OZ… Mark in Melbourne I think Bob has a
          handle on my sense of humor.

          • BobinOz April 12, 2017, 6:11 pm | Link

            Mark in Melbourne? Nope, it’ll never take off 🙂

            Seriously though, I’m glad they are asking you and not me, I don’t even know what MEN is and I’m not going to Google it!

  • Rahul April 7, 2017, 7:41 pm | Link

    Hi Mark,

    I am planning to move to Melbourne within a month with my wife and 2 yr old daughter coming by June. Looking for a decent area with open parks and good day cares. My office will be in South Melbourne and I would like the commute to be under 30 minutes by train, if possible. Can you suggest the areas I can look at with my rental budget around 2K per month.

    • Mark April 7, 2017, 8:09 pm | Link

      Hi Rahul When you say South Melbourne are you actually referring to the suburb of South Melbourne or meaning South of Melbourne, See the post below from Jo and my replies to explain the difference. My reply may be the same in any case of stay to the south east side and down the line of Prahan Windsor Richmond, etc the difference being if your answer is south of Melbourne the 30 commute time extends your distance away and the further you get the cheaper it gets but not by much.. Are you just looking for 2 bed house or apartment or need 3 beds for guests . I am guessing your not a nightlife sort with child Too done in like every other parent With my answers above have a look on real estate,com.au You will likely need to be here to rent long term so I am assuming as I have just replied to someone else you are going to find a 1 month maybe airbnb type thing when you initially arrive, this gives you chance to look round. Hope this helps for now Cheers Mark

      • Rahul April 7, 2017, 9:13 pm | Link

        Thanks a lot Mark. I was referring to the area near Royal Botanic Gardens. And yes, nightlife is not a concern for me anymore :-). So I ll just like a short commute and open areas around with decent schools. I ll check the website you recommended.

        Cheers
        Rahul

        • Mark April 7, 2017, 10:50 pm | Link

          Hi Rahul Ok that’s whats termed south of Melbourne but its very close to the suburb that’s actually celled South Melbourne. Confused I was… 🙂 Anyway same answer really if you stay South and East you wont go far wrong. Your budget may be a little stretched at 2000 a month but its not impossible, If you look there is two rail lines one the Sandringham Line the other the Frankston line if you find anywhere inside the line made by Warragul Road Highway 15 and as far down as say Mentone with the water of the bay your other obvious line you will have say a decent commute. of course the further the longer Stay within walking distance of trains but not to close of course though many drive a car close to the station and then train into Flinders Street of course the further south from Flinders Street necessitates a tram ride as well.

  • Kirsty Davies April 3, 2017, 8:17 pm | Link

    Hi Mark we are planning on moving to Melbourne from Wales in september 2017. We’d ideally like to live in a beachside or lakeside suburb. We have 2 kids, ages 9 and 6 and are looking for suburbs with good primary schools for them. I quite like edithvale, mordailiac, patterson lakes, and have also looked at point cook where you seem to get so much more house for your money but have read differing views. Anywhere you’d recommend? Thanks

    • Kirsty Davies April 3, 2017, 8:20 pm | Link

      Hi Mark, forgot to say my husbands job will be in the cbd so he’ll need to be within commuting distance. I love the mornington peninsula but it’s a bit too far out. Thanks

      • Mark April 3, 2017, 9:49 pm | Link

        Hi Kirsty Wales can be in parts quite quiet some not so, Id liken living in Point Cook to living in Newtown or Llardrindod Wells, its OK as itself but travelling out is miles to anywhere else it feels . The commute is harder whether by car or train, they did introduce a ferry from Wyndham last year. I am not so sure its still running even that was 45 minutes and that cut the journey time by 15 minutes. The place just has not got going yet. thats why you gte so much more house for money. You may have read in my posts about the thought of mortgage free and cash in hand at £650 house in Point Cook I soon gave up on the idea as they say Location Location Location, The other places you have picked are all decent places. I have a friend who commutes from Frankston on the train in 45 minutes That’s when the express trains are running They are re doing all the crossings to make it faster but it will take a year or so, so not always an express. The Frankston line is the same for Mordialloc and Edithvale and so on.where all the crossings are being re done An idea for you google Nepean Highway at Frankston and drive north on it using street view you will see all the crossings on the right and stations as you go up then after Mordialloc they vanish as the rail line goes elsewhere If I drive I even sometime use the coast road from Mordialloc .I also use the train now and again. The irony for driving is its sometimes quicker the lower you go, not as far as Sorrento don’t get me wrong but look at the map where the M11 comes closer so instead of cross town traffic you can use the M11..

        Id certainly stay the east side no doubt about it, there are good schools all around these areas, all within easy reach, a lot are not zoned so you can live close by but not on the doorstep. I am assuming your looking for temporary when you arrive and then maybe more permanent rental or purchase Have a look on real estate .com.au in the areas then you can look down below each house for local schools and google reviews of them. There is a Chinese website I cant remember the name of (its in English) that has all the school results on it. When I remember tomorrow ill post the name. Whats his idea of commuting distance time wise and train car or both?

        • Kirsty Davies April 5, 2017, 3:39 am | Link

          Hi Mark
          Thank you do much for your detailed response, I really appreciate your time you’ve taken. We live in a village but within easy commuting distance of cardiff, approx 20-30 mins in a car. I guess we were thinking about 40 minutes max for my husbands commute but he would probably be willing to do a bit more for a nice beachside suburb. We did a whv back in 2000 in Melbourne and lived in Richmond, ideal area for a couple but would be looking for somewhere quieter now. The suggestion of keeping east is good to hear as that is where I’ve been meaning towards.

          Saying all that, my husband had his offer today and I don’t think the wage is high enough. They’ve offered 110k australian which is basically the exchange rate at the moment from his UK salary (67k). Everything I’ve read says you need to be offered around 2.2 times your UK salary in aussie dollars to live the same lifestyle. The company are sorting out 457 visas. I’d be giving up my career to move to Oz and have read that’s it’s quite difficult for a spouse on a 457 visa to get work, is this true?

          Thanks so much for all your help

          • Kirsty Davies April 5, 2017, 3:43 am | Link

            Meant to say he’ll probably commute by train if easier but can drive if that’s easier/quicker. Also, we’d probably rent for at least a year.

            • Mark April 5, 2017, 8:54 am | Link

              Hi Kirsty Which point to start with as one is quite complicated and several questions thrown up. OK. Area, you have narrowed it down to some decent ones. You obviously know the place reasonably, I dont think id live on the west side if you paid me to. We have a beach house in Ocean Grove and even the drive down on the west side bores me, so Ferry from Sorrento solves the need for that.
              Yes I have read 457 Visas partners struggling but have not experienced it, It may also depend what you are planning on doing. Either professional career style job as you have given up or more part time; ‘something I like doing’ style with children to look after etc. I dont think there is an issue here in Melbourne. My own feeling is, this is more SA and even WA based, Where mining has vanished but then imagine you apply for a job and the interviewer turns out to be David Jones,emigrated from Saundersfoot 11 years ago, you might be a shoo-in. It is as usual if your face fits you’ve got the job.
              Salary …mmmmmm, this 2.2 I have never read that anywhere and I am trying to get my head round the logic. The £ to $ say £1 to $2 would mean a 67k salary at even higher some $147 , so theoretically if the 2.2 scenario stands up the higher the pound goes against the dollar the more salary needed eg £1 to say $3 then the salary would need to be over $200K…to meet the 2.2 rule. I have been on some early conference calls with UK this morning, maybe I need more coffee but cant work the reasoning out….

              OK cut to practicalities. I have not touched my UK paid salary in 16 months. We are using just my wife’s to live and we are living happily on the same figure with two similar aged children and one now going to private school, the other will follow, We have bought a house and we pay a mortgage, run two cars (three technically) in our overheads Boat and pool installation on hold, to many other things to do. I will raid my salary then. We left it hoping the £$ would improve but …… Id say you will be fine on $110K though is there chance to ask for more. Anything you bring in work wise will then be a bonus.
              Now the big question…As there seems a concerns in your message Are you looking to leave UK for good? . eg as many would give their ‘right arm’ for that 457 visa as its a start down the path and usually leads to more permanent. Granted the PR visa would be far better but if that’s what your aim is then a 457 means your in at least, albeit technically temporary. How long is the planned job for. Ah! Maybe that’s where the 2.2 comes in, its funding you in UK as well, ?. So factor in moving costs, are you shipping furniture belongings etc or buying here? . Maybe you can get some relocation expenses paid in the salary. Renting a car or buying or shipping one.
              Fact is you will give your children I believe a far better future here than the UK offers but that’s only my opinion. Many share it though. You like the place I assume after the WHV trip. No school fees on 457 in Vic. If your aim is to come and stay put somehow converting visas then its just a juggling act. If your aim is two years and return I dont think I would do it. Its a massive upheaval. Bob has my email if you prefer as not all things are for the forum, Happy to help as have done with others. Why? well we was helped when we got here by strangers. Kind of passing it on!
              PS website was http://www.ksouhouse.com/profile.php?q=Edithvale%2C+VIC that’s actually the Edithvale page My wife, a teacher has all the schools data to hand as well.

              • Kirsty Davies April 10, 2017, 5:50 pm | Link

                Hi Mark
                Thanks again for your brilliant response. It would be great to email you, how can I get your email address? Many thanks

                • BobinOz April 10, 2017, 8:54 pm | Link

                  Hi Kirsty

                  I’ll send you an email with it now. Cheers, Bob

  • jennifer Fraser April 3, 2017, 3:14 pm | Link

    Hello looking at moving to Australia with my hubby and 4 kids, needs to be near a hockey arena, good school and since I have dogs need a place that is dog friendly has a yard and hopefully has a dog club near by. Should I just hope for a fairy godmother or is this possible??

    • Mark April 3, 2017, 8:14 pm | Link

      Hi Jennifer I am not writing Fairy godmother here 😉 …but yes all you want You have posted in Melbourne! does that mean you are looking at Melbourne or all Australia?. The answer for Melbourne is yes the O’Brien sponsored Arena I assume you mean Ice hockey as you used the word arena, if its hockey, grass or astro then there are about 12 mostly east side….As for yards parks dog clubs they are in an abundance. So are good schools. So now its down to profession for hubby or you as to work may narrow it down. or do you like the idea of beaches or cafe life or both, that way we can narrow your choices down.

  • Dave March 31, 2017, 11:42 pm | Link

    Afternoon
    I am moving to Melbourne from the UK in exactly two months time, I have an airbnb in Brunswick for a month but after any advice on where to live, I’m single male mid(ish) 30’s, want some nightlife / pubs etc .
    I work in the IT industry so job wise ( nothing concrete yet) I want to stay in public transport distance to the CBD.
    I know vague but anything anyone can suggest will be appreciated.
    Cheers
    Dave

    • Mark April 3, 2017, 7:53 pm | Link

      Hi Dave I think my response to Jo would be similar for you, You perhaps need to be near St Kilda.. Where you are staying can have patches of nightlife but nothing like St Kilda (patron saint of nightlife) in Melbourne….. Moonee Ponds again close by to Brunswick same answer really. So an evening in St Kilda planned see what you think…couple of streets to avoid but as per the answer to Jo below, Anywhere close by east side.

      • Dave April 3, 2017, 11:14 pm | Link

        Cheers Mark,

        Will check it out once I am there.

  • Jo March 30, 2017, 11:10 am | Link

    Hi there ! Im a french 3D designer in my early 30’s and Im going to move to Melbourne within the next month for 1 year minimum.
    I already have a job in a good company located in the south of the city.
    Id like to know where would be the best part of the city to rent a place to live , knowing that I love nightlife but don’t want to have too much comute to go to work. Thanks !

    • Mark March 30, 2017, 11:16 am | Link

      My Immediate and easy response is St Kilda but as you wont realise till you get here this place is pretty big so if you could narrow down your ‘South of city’ as in where your company is to an area or even a street close by it would give me a chance to give you some decent suburbs that are not a long commute and also will you drive or look for train bus etc ?

      • Jo March 30, 2017, 12:57 pm | Link

        Hey! Well my company is Luma picture near south Melbourne market. Also im not planning to buy a car anytime soon. More like public transport.
        Thanks !

        • Mark March 30, 2017, 1:34 pm | Link

          Small world I know of these because of my line also LA based (and London) I have even dropped stuff at Luma’s office’s here for a sister company who have now left LA for Vancouver of all places. Luma’s one of the few left in LA with Hyrdlaux/Lola.

          Anyway I digress sorry…

          OK when you said south of city that can generally mean anywhere in the Southern suburbs which is down the right hand side when viewed on a map, your outfits place is actually South Melbourne that’s the suburb if it helps, its actually called South Melbourne.just to add to the confusion, even though you would describe say Brighton as South Melbourne . So yes anywhere you can find round there. Albert park Middle park down to St Kilda and out as far as Prahan Windsor etc. The evening life is on the South bank on city abot 400 plus metres next to the Yarra river and also St Kilda anywhere near the boardwalk and bay. Rail link from Prahan and IWndsor will see you about 1000 metres from your office and busses and trams I am sorry I have no idea as I drive. I know they are around there though as lets face it your metres form the centre of the city. Dont go too far north or to far west when viewing map stay South to South East. Luma is not a big outfit I know but chat to colleagues there even before you move ask someone to ‘stick a note up’ or the more modern email note saying your looking for somewhere to rent. Hope this helps.

  • Shama Sharma March 25, 2017, 4:08 pm | Link

    Hi Mark I am moving to Melbourne from NZ. I have 2boys they both are teenagers. Older one is 14yrs old and younger one 13yrs old which area you recommend thanks

    • Mark March 25, 2017, 5:15 pm | Link

      Hi Shama Ironically we have just spent the afternoon with a family from NZ two years ago. I could do with a bit more to go on. Buy rent and budget app, City’ite or country lover, beach or fauna. Job you may have or look for? I am guessing you dont need be near anywhere, CBD ? Cafe, eatery culture or what you may look for. Sorry for all the questions but its a darn big place with many facets.

  • Simona March 7, 2017, 9:52 am | Link

    Hi Mark, me and my family moving from UK to Melbourne the end of this month. We are looking to rent/buy a house in South Eastern Melbourne like Seaford, Chertsea, Frankston… Can you please tell me which suburb would you suggest to raise the family? We have 3 and half years and 2 years old kids… So we are looking for suburb with good pre-schools, schools, play grounds, parks…. Also is Domain application the best to find a house or would you suggest any another website? Thank you very much in advance 🙂
    Simona

    • Mark March 7, 2017, 3:25 pm | Link

      Sorry to be asking questions instead of answering I will I promise but I am guessing you will rent till you can find somewhere to buy ? Do you have a job anywhere eg a commute planned and by what method or is there another reason you have picked those three Ill briefly explain Realestate.com.au is great for both but if renting and looking for short term there is other options and a trick to get in with realtors if you read below comments from I think Dav he got frustrated with trying to rent, he never did get in touch so I assume not that bad Secondly Id avoid Seaford…Chelsea is Ok as is or can be Frankston avoiding the bits near Seaford but if your commuting to say Springvale as an off the cuff example you can look at other places. a wider area and more opportunities for recommendation for what you are looking for Finally is beach or within driving distance important as they all come close.

      • Simona March 8, 2017, 9:22 am | Link

        Hi Mark, thank you for your reply. No reason why I picked up those 3 suburbs… Only 1 and that’s that we have a friends in Frankston, so we wanted be not very far from them, but we are open to any suburbs in south-east melbourne… Priority is safe area, good schools, parks, play gounds, shops… Yes we are looking to rent a place before we buy, we want to check Melbourne before we decide where we want to buy… I going to check Dav comments now 😉

        • Mark March 8, 2017, 10:45 am | Link

          Well it depends were your heading for job wise but if the ‘worlds your oyster’ or rather SE Melbourne is. Then have a look at Chelsea and the Dale’s areas North, Aspen Park etc etc but also look south as far perhaps as Rye with some inland towards say Summerville or even Cranbourne though Cranbourne is short on roads…The beauty being of all the other places is the M11 can get you in the city in less than an hour even as far as Rye is 1.10 1.15… Now I am not suggesting that as a commute though a friend now does from Rye 4 out of 5 days..
          .As you come through Frankston you come into the Mornington Peninsular area and many places along there are great, instead of say where the railroad cuts say Aspendale almost in two. Have a drive down Main Street Mornington its a million miles better than some of the built up city areas. So you have Frankston Mt Eliza Mt Martha Mornington, Mt Martha and Safety Beach and so on you cant go wrong…If you have friend here hopefully they will help you but of your stuck just holler..I never did get to explain the trick to Dav on how to beat the realtor so you get the rental above others.

          • Simona March 9, 2017, 7:11 am | Link

            Hi Mark, thank you very much for your time to reply… I’m home with kids and my husband is builder so he will be traveling all around the Melbourne, so we are not fixed on one place, but not more than 1 hour travel distance to Melbourn city will be good . So thank you for your advises, we will have a look more to Frankston and Chelsea 🙂 Davs post make me worried a bit 🙁 Luckily we have friends with we can stay for a bit and we will hope that if we are able to pay a rent in advance than won’t be so hard to get a house… I very appreciate your help Mark. thanks a lot again…

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