Melbourne

Living in Melbourne

Melbourne City MelbourneMelbourne is the capital of Victoria and the second largest city in Australia. It has a population of around 4 million people and is on the southern coast of the eastern half of Australia’s mainland. Melbourne is sheltered from the ocean by the beautiful Port Phillip Bay.
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According to the Economist Intelligence Unit’s 2010 Liveability Survey, Melbourne is the third most liveable city in the world, giving it the highest position of the five Australian cities that made the top 25. A high recommendation indeed.

Melbourne is divided by the Yarra River that flows straight through the heart of the city. And what a beautiful city it is. It has the charm of a tram system and a beautiful mix of tall modern skyscrapers and established historic buildings with great architecture.

Melbourne seems to attract a greater variety of immigrants than any other city in Australia. There are more than 200 different nationalities making it one of the most multicultural cities in the world. It has a large Greek contingent, as well as Italians, Chinese, Spanish, Portuguese and Indian residents. It is also a young person’s city with almost half of the population aged under 35.

The streets have a lively feel about them and Melburnians enjoy live music, performing arts, including public street performances, fashion, independent music and independent film.

But you can still make off for the beach. St Kilda and Brighton beaches are both close to the city and are highly recommended. A little further out will find you at Sandringham and further still, Mordialloc beach. Both are very popular. But if you want some really stunning beach scenery, you only need to jump into your car for about an hour or so and you’ll be at the beginning of the Great Ocean Road. It starts at Torquay and winds for about four or five hour’s worth of driving and takes you all the way to Warrnambool.

What’s the weather like?

melbourne annual weather chart MelbourneMelbourne is known as a city that can have four seasons in one day. They have weather that can turn on a sixpence. I have experienced this myself, sort off. A lunchtime temperature of around 35°C turned into a chilling 16°C by around five o’clock in the evening.

Wild winds and thunderstorms can descend out of clear blue skies and winters can be quite cold and very dull, with probably the fewest hours of sunshine found anywhere in Australia.

But summers can be extremely hot and very dry. The intense heat often stops trains from running on their tracks and some areas have a high risk of bushfires.

I loved Melbourne when I was there, the city has a really good feel about it. I’d be tempted to live there if I felt I could cope with the winters, but I’m not sure that I can. Best I stay in Brisbane then.

Here’s a map of the Greater Melbourne area:

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Melbourne can be broken down into five main areas:

  • Inner Melbourne – includes the City, Docklands, Port Phillip and Yarra.
  • Northern Suburbs – includes Banyule, Darebin, Hume, Moonee Valley, Moreland, Nillumbik and Whittlesea.
  • South Eastern Suburbs – includes Bayside, Cardinia, Casey, Greater Dandenong, Glen Eira, Kingston, Monash and Stonnington. Both Frankston and Mornington Peninsula are part of South Eastern Suburbs but are not shown on this map. They’re both south of Kingston and overlook Port Phillip Bay. A fair way from the city centre, but a stones throw to the sea.
  • Eastern Suburbs – includes Boroondara, Knox, Manningham, Maroondah, Whitehorse and Yarra Ranges.
  • Western Suburbs – includes Brimbank, Hobsons Bay, Maribyrnong and Wyndham.

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Damian Matthew August 29, 2011 at 10:48 pm

Brilliant website. We are looking at immigrating and this has been by far the most informative website I have found.

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BobinOz August 30, 2011 at 12:10 am

Thanks Damian, glad you like it. Maybe see you out here one day!

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srishti October 14, 2011 at 5:26 pm

hiii can any buddy tell me about walgreen in australia???

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BobinOz October 15, 2011 at 5:53 pm

You got me there, never seen one. Anybody?

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SALANDER November 11, 2011 at 6:25 pm

I think its Wal Brown I think he is a newsreader. I THINK. Melbourne has undisputed worst weather in Australia. If you are planning to immigrate here for the sunshine forget it! I’ve counted 9 sunny days in the passed 190, late April to mid November. The rest of the time,totally overcast and grey. Summers see the occasional hot day always followed by a cool change, like 40c-15c in the space of 30 minutes accompanied by storms followed by cloudy cool weather for a week.
Well lets see, Melbourne: good restaurants, awful weather,crap beaches,crap beer footy,footy,footy. Situated at the arse end of the world with nothing to offer the tourist, except…footy, food and more footy.

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BobinOz November 11, 2011 at 10:25 pm

Wow! That’s a seriously long run without the sun. I constantly hear Melbourne’s weather is not good, but that’s really not good.

I take it you don’t like footy then?

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Andrea March 2, 2013 at 6:32 pm

Salamander, best you stay at home and leave Melbourne to the people who love it.
If all you found was footy then you clearly didn’t try hard.
As for the weather yes it’s true that the weather can change quickly, but what sweet relief from the heat when it does.
You are a glowing reason why Australians play up the deadly wildlife!

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Kyle September 29, 2013 at 12:05 pm

@ Salamander – 9 out of the last 190?? Now you’re just exaggerating. Melbourne experiences much more blue skies and sunshine than that. Every day in summer, except for a few, has blue skies with an average of 8-9 hours of sunshine a day. Heck, even in winter we still get plenty of sunshine, more than people like to give it credit for.

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Chillida October 25, 2013 at 3:13 pm

I have also lived in Melbourne now for the past two years and the weather is truly terrible. It’s very disorienting this four seasons in one day, it could be more tolerable if you worked in an office five days a week. But I love the outdoors and natural sunlight. This city is not my choice, winter goes for way too long (for example it was 6 degrees yesterday! its late Oct! today its cold and raining) and summer hits you with 40 degree heat on somedays with beaches just too far to drive in that kind of heat. Nice place to visit, eat great food, see some good live local music, maybe if you’re lucky theres a nice day when you can go for a bush walk. I have conversations here with locals all the time about the weather and it comes down to how much you’ve invested in the place, you’ll make it work if you have to! but if you have the freedom to choose take a tour before committing to live here.

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BobinOz October 25, 2013 at 7:07 pm

6° yesterday? Crikey!! Is that during the day? Admittedly it’s been a bit cooler here in Brisbane the last couple of days, I think it’s been about 25°, but before that we’ve had 30° plus most of the time.

6°??

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Bala October 26, 2013 at 4:01 pm

I have seen quite a good number of people complaining about Melbourne weather but I would like to gain some perspective here. Does this volatile climate actually impact health? I currently live in Singapore and every time a 3-4 day spell of rain passes by, we can see some kids falling sick, getting flu or air-borne allergies. Does this happen with the fluctuating weather in Melbourne as well? Would really appreciate if some Melbourners could chime in here.

Cheers
Bala

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John Seabrook October 26, 2013 at 10:02 pm

I think Chillida is on something. Not ‘onto something’. It was 6 degrees at 5 in the morning perhaps. Probably about 18-20 by mid afternoon. It is spring, not summer after all. I was in Melbourne in early September for 4 days, and every day was sunny and clear. A bit breezy maybe, but still nice. No pleasing some people I suppose.

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BobinOz October 27, 2013 at 7:12 pm

5 o’clock in the morning? Why would anyone want to be up at 5 o’clock in the morning? :-)

Bala, I’m not from Melbourne so maybe somebody from over that way will also answer your question, but as far as I’m aware there are no weather related airborne diseases that affect the masses anywhere here in Australia.

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Vaughan December 13, 2013 at 9:09 am

I can tell you know Melbourne is the most cloudiest city in Australia (so many articles I’ve read verifying this fact, pity I read them AFTER I moved here), the weather IS shocking, summer and there was already so many 15 degree days in the middle of the day than I like to count, spring was just as cold as winter, might as well call it 9 – 10 months of winter and 2 months of hell random weather from 15 degrees to 44 odd. Lived here for 2 years and cannot wait to get out of this place. My partner feels exactly the same way also.

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Gillian March 21, 2014 at 9:52 am

I’m moving to Melbourne for the weather!! I miss the grey skies and I’m ready to throw the towel in on this sunshine. I am not cut out for the Brisbane weathering I can’t wait to get out of it!

Melbourne bound at the end of the year.

Bobinoz replies:

The nature of nested comments on WordPress dictates that nobody can actually answer you directly Gillian, we’ve reached the bottom of this particular nest. As you can see, the comments get narrower and narrower so it has to stop somewhere.

I hope you find Melbourne’s climate more suitable to you, I know Brisbane isn’t for everyone although I love the weather here. Good luck, Bob

Opal December 2, 2011 at 2:17 am

Hey BobinOZ!
You have such a wonderful, informative ,easy-to-navigate website. My young family and I are planning to migrate to OZ once our visas are approved but cant decide where to go. We were thinking either Perth or Melbourne. We are from the Caribbean so do not tolerate harsh winters well so I guess Melbourne is out. I was really loving Melbourne until this :-(
Our daughter is 2 1/2, so we would like somewhere with good schools and lots of parks and other child-friendly activities. I am an accountant and the hubby an IT Manager so obviously we need a city that has job openings in our fields. We love diversity so a multicultural city would suit us perfectly. Any suggestions?
Thanks.

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BobinOz December 2, 2011 at 10:27 pm

If you click on the link in the top main menu called “Australian Cities”, then click on each of those major cities, you will see my written review for each one.

For me, Perth is too remote and Melbourne would be too cold, so that is why I chose Brisbane. I’ve never regretted that choice.

Also check out Quick Guide to Choosing a City in Australia

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Kathryn January 27, 2012 at 7:37 pm

Opal, I really do believe that Melbourne or Sydney would be the best cities for you and your family to live in. Don’t be put off by what people say about Melbourne weather. It’s true, Melbourne can get very cold in winter but it is very hot in summer as well. Melbourne and Sydney are both big, exciting, international cities and you would be hard pressed to find more multicultural cities in Australia. Did you know that Melbourne is the second largest Greek city outside of Athens in the world? It’s true. I live in Sydney and love it but I also love Melbourne. Both cities offer what Perth and Brisbane can’t, the “buzz” and excitement of truly big cities with 24:7 shopping, an incredible array of multicultural restaurants offering the best food choices in the world, great transport, enviable sporting facilities, fantastic theatre venues offering the latest in cultural events (eg ballet, concerts and world class theatre) from all over the world. Perth and Adelaide are small, country towns that offer a laid back lifestyle but not much else (Oooops, sorry, but it’s true). Brisbane is a nice city but the weather is just too (uncomfortably) hot without a change of seasons (other than wet and dry). Want good schools? Sydney and Melbourne offer the best (and most expensive) private schools in the country. However, wI worked in the NSW government school system and I can assure you that the State school system in NSW is second to none. Did you know that the top University entrance marks are achieved overwhelmingly by students from the State school system (mostly from the State funded academically selective high schools). Work opportunities are better in the larger cities of Sydney and Melbourne although people with experience in IT are always in demand. Melbourne is renowned for its beautiful parks and gardens and considered the “cultural” capital of Australia with its classy theatres and huge array of cultural events. Sydney is a more brash city and is a famous “party” city. Sydney hosts some of the greatest events in the world, eg New Year’s Eve, Sydney Festival and a huge range of sporting and social events throughout the year. Sydney has great parklands and an enormous green belt interspersed through the city and right around the city fringe (eg Royal National Park, the World Heritage Blue Mountains and Mount Kuringai National Park). Sydney is renowned for its fabulous array of beaches … Bondi is probably the most over-rated! Where to live in Sydney? I thoroughly recommend the Cronulla/Sutherland or St George areas (close to great shopping, transport, beaches and terrific schools). Multicultural areas abound in Sydney in the inner western areas. If you want to be close to some very classy private schools, you may need to search the Strathfield area, eastern suburbs or north shore (but these areas are very expensive). The downside to Sydney (and Melbourne) is the cost of housing … read “expensive” and rents (in some areas) are very high. However, it is possible to attain a nice home in some areas of the St George district (of Sydney) for around $500,000. This is where Perth and Adelaide shine … their housing costs are cheaper. However, the REASON why Sydney and Melbourne are so expensive is because most people PREFER to live there …. demand exceeds supply = more expensive. You get what you pay for! Cheers!

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Jen October 9, 2012 at 7:39 am

I’m from Perth, its no country town that’s for sure but Perth is for young families and retirees as it is pretty quiet and laid back.

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Nathan October 12, 2012 at 4:03 pm

I don’t think Kathryn has been to Perth by the sound of things. I Personally live in Melbourne because I love the cultural diversity and AFL but I can tell you that I have spent a lot of time in both Perth and Sydney and would choose Perth hands down. It is laid back, but very beautiful, with the best weather in the country. The people are a lot more friendly than those in a so called BIG city and there is always plenty of work (after all, they do have the lowest unemloyment in the country).

PS. I wouldn’t exactly call 1.5 million a country town.

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Kathryn October 12, 2012 at 5:26 pm

Actually, Nathan, I have been to Perth and Western Australia. I think the State has some wonderful aspects but I would never live there. The city of Perth is just too isolated and remote from the green belt and snow fields of the eastern States. I know of at least ten families that “moved” from Sydney to Perth – of those ten families, eight returned to Sydney. Its a matter of personal choice but give me the excitement, “buzz”, lively 24:7 nightlife of Melbourne and Sydney any day. I would die of boredom in Perth!

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Opal January 17, 2012 at 11:36 pm

Thanks Bob. We’ve now short listed Brisbane (flooding is a downside)and Melbourne (even though the weather is crappy). Will let you know how it goes. Once again, your site is awesome!

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BobinOz January 18, 2012 at 5:49 pm

Thanks Opal!

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Phil May 1, 2012 at 12:17 pm

I have lived in Melbourne for a long time and I love it. While it is true that you CAN get four seasons in one day, the weather on average is far from crappy.
If you want to wear shorts and thongs year round then Brisbane is your place of choice, but Brisbane is humid and uncomfortable in summer.
Sydney has milder winters but is often humid too in the summer. It is infested with cockroaches because of this. Melbourne has a dry heat which is much more tolerable in my opinion, and while winter can be windy and cold, not all winters are thus, and there are plenty of sunny days.
El Nino events almost always produce a mild dry winter in melbourne (and years of drought, unfortunately)

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BobinOz May 3, 2012 at 12:12 am

Fair point Phil, Melbourne does have a lot of decent weather, it’s not as bad as many people (me included at times) have suggested. When I was last there it was something like 36°C and beautiful blue skies. Next day, 16°C! I think that is what is strange about it.

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Opal January 29, 2012 at 1:49 pm

Hi Kathryn,
Thanks for the excellent detailed feedback. You gave me much to consider

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Cello February 1, 2012 at 3:33 pm

Melbourne or Sydney….I can`t decide!!!!

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BobinOz February 1, 2012 at 10:21 pm

Try both for a couple weeks each, then decide. Better than a coin.

Cheers

Bob

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Cello February 2, 2012 at 7:53 pm

I was for 3 months in Melbourne…and I really enjoyed that…then I came to Sydney…now i have been living here for 2 weeks…and to be honest it`s not for me…it is like all big cities: crowded, fast and expensive…Melbourne has definitely a different vibe…only thing that scares me a bit is the weather…is it going to be that cold in winter….and when does winter starts and ends?

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BobinOz February 6, 2012 at 9:50 pm

Exactly what I thought when I visited both cities Cello, so I couldn’t agree more.

That’s why I chose Brisbane.

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Lisa February 8, 2012 at 5:34 pm

Hi Bob
I’m moving to Aus in July from NZ and am having trouble deciding which city Melbourne or Brisbane, can you give me any advice, I’m about to finish a degree in management majoring in events and marketing and would like to know which city would be best for job opportunities, I quite like the idea of no winter in Brisbane!

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BobinOz February 9, 2012 at 12:03 am

I can’t tell you which city would be best for your line of work, but I know I prefer Brisbane for the weather. That said, Melbourne is probably a more interesting city with more of a buzz and a lot going on. You just need to put up with the weather :-)

Maybe someone else has a view?

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Ruth February 9, 2012 at 4:41 pm

Hi there!

I am planning on moving to Melbourne in September of this year.

I am a young student and am looking for the best place to live! I have no
idea where to begin, as there are so many options.

I’m looking for a fun, vibrant part of town – safe and not dingy. A place
where I can meet people and getting a job would be somewhat easy!

If anyone living in Melbourne reads this and has ANY tips at all relating to these questions etc., please let me know!

Thanks so much!

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BobinOz February 13, 2012 at 12:47 pm

That counts me out then, anyone from Melbourne who can help?

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John February 23, 2012 at 10:38 pm

Ruth, it depends on where you are studying, and what you are used to, but I would suggest Richmond, Prahran, Carlton, Fitzroy, or South Melbourne as starters. The second level might include Collingwood, Clifton Hill, Hawthorn, or even Brunswick. If you don’t have a car, these are all tram friendly suburbs close to the city. I lived in Richmond in the nineties, and it was great. Might cost a bit more nowadays of course. There are obviously, plenty of other places, but these are all nineteenth century suburbs, close to the CBD. Expect to pay a bit more for the convenience.

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Andy March 5, 2012 at 6:38 am

I’m hoping to make the move Down Under later this year from the UK. It’s Melbourne for me! I love the place, it’s got a fantastic vibe about it. It suits me much better as a place to live than Sydney. As for the weather thing, well I quite like the fact that it is a bit changeable. I don’t think that an average winter daytime temperature of 14 degrees can in any way be described as harsh. I have heard the phrase “If you don’t like the weather in Melbourne, just give it five minutes.”

Visited Oz a few times and I must say that Melbourne has grown and grown on me. The tram network, the public spaces, the fantastic walking/cycling trails, the multicultural feel of the place. Great stuff. Sydney was great for the instant tourist wow factor of the harbour (and it really is wow!), but Melbourne has got its hooks into me now.

Ah well, it takes all sorts, so to everyone making the move, or to those already there, the very best of luck to you and the choices you make.

Cheers Bob, great site!

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BobinOz March 5, 2012 at 6:31 pm

I loved Melbourne when I visited, but I was only there for three days. Not long enough to really have an opinion. But I too liked the vibe, the trams and I thought the city had real character.

I hope you get to love Melbourne is much as I love it here in Brisbane. Good luck!

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Opal March 6, 2012 at 12:10 pm

So my paperwork is in but there is a spoke in my wheel, so to speak. I would still love to move down under but now am second guessing everything. Can anyone provide some information about living in Melbourne as a single mom? My daughter will be four by the time we get there and as a Financial Controller I think my salary should be adequate to cover us. I am thinking more along the lines of stigmas attached to a single mom. Your help is greatly appreciated.
Is it difficult to find good babysitters?

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BobinOz March 6, 2012 at 10:04 pm

I’ll duck out of this one, having never been a single mum anywhere :-) hopefully someone else can help you, anybody?

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Nishant Bansal April 12, 2012 at 3:35 am

Hey BobinOz

iam a businessman(jeweller) in india living a quite luxurious decent life here but melbourne is for me i think..so can you suggest some reliable invested business for me in melbourne so that i can also get my pr …i have funds needed.

thank you and regards
Nishant Bansal

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BobinOz April 12, 2012 at 9:52 pm

It is possible you could buy a business here in Australia and possibly end up with PR, but recommending business investments is not what I do here. First and foremost, I think you need to be assessed, have you looked at my Visa Assessment Service?

My MARA registered migration agent would be able to tell you if you have a chance of qualifying for a business visa, or any kind of visa at all. It’s the best way of finding out.

I hope you make it to Melbourne.

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Nishant Bansal April 13, 2012 at 1:25 am

Yes i did checked it out Mr Bob and it shows your efforts and passion,impressed but i guess you hear these lines often :),i also checked out point system under business visa and scored 115 while 105 was passing only…so now the concern is iam thinking of any franchise so that i can employ atleast 3 autralian citizen or PR but lease being expensive and employing 3 with good salary i need some real good franchise with solid income ,so having read all of your experience and adventure , i think it would be wiser if you provide some light on that from your personal experience.
thanks

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BobinOz April 14, 2012 at 12:21 am

Well, I’ve never bought a franchise or looked at what is available in any depth, so I don’t have any personal experience. I suggest you search for the Australian franchise directory in Google, and take a look around. You can choose a suitable franchise based on your business experience to date.

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Warren May 26, 2012 at 10:16 pm

Hi there, Can anyone suggest the best areas in Melbourne for great schools ( Primary and Secondary )? We are wanting to migrate permanently to Melbourne from Christchurch New Zealand and are currently doing doing research into housing prices, jobs in IT, transportation, excellent schools, etc. Any advice would be very much welcomed..

Cheers and thank you everyone,
Warren

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BobinOz May 28, 2012 at 9:53 pm

Well, I can’t Warren, I’ve only been to Melbourne once. Hopefully somebody who does know the city well will pop by and help you out.

Good luck!

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Wayne June 19, 2012 at 11:15 am

Hi everyone
My wife an I are wanting to move “east” from Perth and would appreciate some pointers, ie Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane etc,
From research we have done so far Melbourne is looking good,
Any advice on good clean suburbs for secondary schools (2 kids) and reasonable rent prices would be appreciated,

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BobinOz June 20, 2012 at 1:00 pm

I don’t know enough about Melbourne Wayne, so hopefully someone else will chime in here. Good luck!

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Maddy June 21, 2012 at 1:21 pm

hey guys,

Im looking at Moving to Melbourne in September/ early November. Im Moving from Perth so its a big change. Im looking to move close to the city because i really enjoy the “City Life” im young so i want to be able to get out and do the things i love as much as possible. What suburbs do you guys suggest to start looking for a Flat/house? somewhere which i will be able to pick up and job easily and get around without a car.

Thanks :)

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straze June 28, 2012 at 1:30 pm

By far the best website for the lil’canadian that I am lol …
Any idea about the Nightlife in Melbourne ?… I’m curious

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Jose June 29, 2012 at 3:46 am

Nightlife in Melbourne is always up there is always something to do in Melbourne it’s a great place to live in. Head to the western suburbs if your thinking of permanently moving i live in a suburb named Taylors Lakes Melb, VIC. Drive into the city on the freeway for 20 minutes.

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BobinOz June 29, 2012 at 7:01 pm

Jose is right straze, Melbourne is buzzing! I would say it is the centre of Australia for the creative arts and there’s lots going on all the time in and around the city. The place has a great feel about it too, I don’t think you would be disappointed by the nightlife.

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Mohammed khalid dawoud July 23, 2012 at 1:03 pm

I am job seeker how can i get austeralia visa.

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BobinOz July 23, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Ant August 22, 2012 at 10:33 pm

Hey Bob, just wanted to say you rock and what an amazing job you’ve done with this website, cheers.
A.

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BobinOz August 24, 2012 at 1:53 pm

Thanks Ant, really appreciated :-)

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straze August 27, 2012 at 9:59 am

Yeah definitely !!!

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BobinOz August 27, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Baige September 2, 2012 at 6:36 pm

Hi,
I’m moving to Melbourne with my husband in October and have little time to look for a place to stay while I start a job there. I really need some help on finding a trendy, fun, vibrant cosmopolitan areas with a furnished apartment that we can rent.

We are moving from london where there is alot of hussle and bustle and would really like to be inplace where we can experience the lively side of melbourne. I need it to be close to the CBD for work and in safe location.

Your help is greatly appreciated and looking forward to the move with your help.
B)

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BobinOz September 3, 2012 at 5:00 pm

I can’t help you with that one Baige, being from Brisbane, but hopefully someone from Melbourne will chime in here. Jose, in a comment above, has a suggestion that might help.

Bob

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Nick Harris September 9, 2012 at 6:05 pm

Hi Baige, I’ve only just stumbled upon Bob’s website but I moved here, to Melbourne, with my wife and 2 kids last October. We are staying in the Eastern Suburbs, for now, but my best mate owns an apartment with a company called PuntHill Apartments in the very trendy area of South Yarra. Here’s their site: http://www.punthill.com.au/melbourne-accommodation/south-yarra-grand.html

We’ve stayed there a couple of times and it’s ideal as a location for Melbourne’s CBD and St Kilda beach as well as trendy bars and restaurants. It doesn’t really shut down, even in the winter so I’d highly recommend it!!

Nick

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Opal September 12, 2012 at 11:57 pm

Hi everyone,
After a long 10 months since the thought of moving to Oz crossed our minds we have finally completed the paperwork. To say it’s an exhausting process is an understatement but finally everything is in so now we are just waiting for the visas. We are really excited about our move to Melbourne.
We are seriously considering Werribee and would like to know if anyone knows anything about this area. We are looking for a suburb no more than 30 minutes from the CBD with parks and schools and not too far from the beach within a $500k budget for a house.
We are visiting Melbourne next month so are anxious to have your thoughts to check out the area .

Thanks everyone!

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BobinOz September 13, 2012 at 2:06 pm

Congratulations on getting through the gruelling paperwork! Hope you get the answer you want.

I can’t help you with Werribee, can anyone who does knows the area help out here?

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Nick September 13, 2012 at 3:28 pm

Guess who can help?!!

Me!!

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Nick September 13, 2012 at 3:47 pm

Hi Opal, it’s Nick here. I’m a member!

I’ve only been here since late October last year and we live in the Eastern Suburbs of Melbourne but we are looking to buy a property in Point Cook in the future, which is quite near Werribee. So my wife and I have done a bit of research on the area.

I’d try “Domain.com.au” or “Realestate.com.au” to get an idea of property prices as a start. We’ve been to Werribee on a Sunday afternoon type of thing and had a good walk around the town centre and had a coffee and went to the playground (for the kids, not me and my wife!!!) and it’s a nice place. There are also quite a few other suburbs in the West, and also the East but it really depends on where you guys definitely need to be as you’re spoilt for choice.

One thing though, property prices are quite high, even though the market is low at the mo, but $500K should get you a decent property. In Oz, it’s definitely the location. In Williamstown (which we love, but can’t afford) a piece of small land went for $700K, and the property to build cost $450K, but in other parts, land can cost as little as $130K so it’s a matter of looking around.

Hope this helps. If you want any specific info then let me know ok?

Cheers.

Nick

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Nick September 13, 2012 at 3:49 pm

Also, it took me 4 years, alot of paperwork and $5K to get here, but it’s well worth it!

So I know where you’re coming from!

Nick

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Opal September 14, 2012 at 3:15 am

Thanks Nick. I checked the websites you listed and got a ‘feel’ for the cost of housing and you are correct: they’re quite pricey. We will continue to research the areas and hopefully we can find a decent house near schools and not too far from the CBD within our budget.

Opal

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Baige September 14, 2012 at 8:14 am

Hi Nick, thanks for the info and link, looks lovely and will have to see if I can manage this in the budget. Please do share if you have any more thoughts as the count down is on! Thanks B)

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Cramer September 27, 2012 at 7:29 pm

I wouldn’t buy in pt cook if I were u I moved here frm NZ traffic is horrendous takes an hour to CBD coz it takes half an hour to get up on the motorway

Werribbee is ok

My advice rent first for a few months while u get a good feel for areas

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Nick September 28, 2012 at 9:13 am

Hi Cramer, thanks for your comments.
However, I’m a tradie and will most probably be leaving PC at about 6am, as we normally start at 7am! I know for most of the time the roads aren’t too bad at that time of the morning.
I’ve got a mate who’s lived there for 7 years and he says the traffic ain’t that bad at that time of the morning neither.

But we live in the East at the mo and the traffic on the Eastern (M3) is just as bad. To be honest, the Monash (M1) is the worst.

They’re widening the PC road as well as building a new train station called Williams Landing which will be positioned in between Aircraft and Hoppers Crossing stations so I think that will ease congestion too.

The main problem is that PC just exploded with development and they didn’t think it would and thus, the infrastructure suffered, but Wyndham Council are dealing with it and I’ve heard that they’re gonna get funding from Victoria State to upgrade the roads so there’s hope for the future!!

Hope that helps!

Nick

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Steve October 13, 2012 at 1:32 am

Hi – we’re looking to move over to Melbourne from Perth, late Jan 2013 and we seem to have settled on the idea of living in Ringwood or Wartina South. Any comments? PS – not looking forward to the change in weather :(

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Nick October 13, 2012 at 9:59 am

Hi Steve, is there any particular reason to Ringwood or WS?

We live in Nunawading, near Ringwood, and my lad plays soccer for Ringwood YFC and the whole area is fine. Loads of parks, near the freeway, reasonable property prices. It’s about 30 mins from the CBD, on a good day!

The weather’s not as bad as everyone says. It does get “Cold”, but being an ex-POM, winters here are like early Spring or late Autumn, at the worst. The summers here are very hot. You just don’t get as many hours of sun here, compared to Perth, all year round, that’s all! It has been very wet over the last winter, but then there was a drought for a long time with major water restrictions so I’m happy that it rains a bit!!!!!!

If you need to know anything specific about Ringwood or W.S. then let me know.
There’s a very good shopping mall called Eastland in Ringwood, and the town is close to the Dandenong Ranges which are spectacular too.

Hope this helps.

Nick

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Todd October 13, 2012 at 11:27 am

Steve, don’t believe anyone who says that Melbourne weather is ok. I regrettably moved to Melbourne from Perth and unfortunately got stuck here. There is no difference between winter, spring or autumn as it is cold and damp all the time with little sunshine. Even now in mid spring temperatures are around 13.C and overcast, days on end. Summers are a bit drier and warmer with the occasional few days of pleasant weather. Not many people move to Melbourne from Perth because they couldn’t cope with the miserable weather. Its a long way to a nice beach (1 hr – 1/12hr drive), and there is little work here. Stay in Perth,beautiful weather, plenty of jobs!

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Rob October 15, 2012 at 1:39 pm

So what are the following suburbs like to live in Melbourne:
Taylors Hill
Tullamarine
Keilor Park
Airport West
Keilow Downs

Are these considered safe suburbs for families

Any feedback be greatly appreciated

Or any recommeded suburbs around these.

Thanks

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tigger October 23, 2012 at 1:05 am

Hi Rob, as a native of Victoria, I can assure you that all the suburbs you have listed are safe for families. These suburbs are ‘fringe’ suburbs – they used to be very cheap, but rising real estate prices and costs of living in the city and nearby suburbs have caused many young couples and families to look a bit further out, thus changing the diversity of the areas, both culturaly and demographicaly . This seems to have resulted in a much more diverse spread of inhabitants, as well a greater sense of social cohesion amongst the above-mentioned inhabitants.

These suburbs are fairly close to the city (Melbs) as the crow flies, but could take you up to, or over an hour to get to by car in peak times. They are also fairly land-locked, and in a place like Victoria you want to be near the ocean – trust me, when it gets to 49c on a Feb arvo the last place you want to be is on the northern side of Melbs!!

Have you looked at Geelong? Cheaper rent, less than an hour to Melb city by train (or car depending if you have to go right into the guts of the city), and only 15 mins from the wonderful surfcoast (Barwon Heads, Ocean Grove, Torquay, Jan Juc, Bells Beach, Great Ocean Road…) And on those bloody hot stinkers, we get the ‘cool change’ hours earlier than Melburneites! I remember a day when it was 41c at 11:00am, then 21c and thunderstorms at 11:30am. Got back up to a muggy 28c by 2:30pm, then turned into a beautiful evening with little to no mugginess of about 21c with minimal humidity.

But anyway, my suggestion to you would be to look at Geelong, the Surf Coast. and the Bellarine Peninsula – check it out! ;-)

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Nick October 16, 2012 at 7:34 pm

Hi Rob, I’m sorry but, although I’m familiar with these suburbs, I haven’t physically been to them.

They’re all in the West of Melbourne, and some of them are in the flight path of Melbourne Airport, just so you know.

I think they are all safe for families, but couldn’t be 100%. You can get a fair idea of last years hotspots from this link. This will tell you hopefully what you want to know:

http://www.police.vic.gov.au/retrievemedia.asp?Media_ID=72176

Melbourne is a large, metropolitan city. But, compared to most or all major UK cities, I don’t believe it, or the surrounding suburbs, are unsafe at all. Heck, that was one of the main reasons my wife and I chose to emigrate here as I want to bring up my kids in a “safe” environment. Sure, you’re gonna get a few crimes but no way like back in the UK.
The other day the main news was going on a house fire, that’s it!! Nothing else!!

Policing is different to the UK, life is different to the UK. I think that’s one of the attractions to Oz for POMS.

Hope this helps?

Nick

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Steve October 21, 2012 at 9:43 pm

Hi Bob, firstly what a fantastic website; some of what I have found here has moved me close to nostalgically passionate tears of pride for the land I’ve always considered ‘home’. My parents were ‘ten pound poms’ who moved to Melbourne’s eastern suburbs when I was just 18 months old. That was back in ’63. Unfortunately they came back to England in ’74 when I was still too young to have much of a say over the matter. But I’ve always identified as Australian. More-so as a Vic. And now in my early fifties, and after only ever making it home for holidays every few years, I’m finally in a position to be able to move back permanently.
I’m buying a property near Apollo Bay – an absolute beautiful haven for fauna and flora where we used to holiday when I was a kid. But reading the information on your site has helped to make it easier as my info is forty years out of date!!
I can’t wait to eat a 4′n’20 rats coffin whilst watching the footy team I’ve followed distantly most of my life (THE PIES mate) thrash the Hawks!
Something I think you could include on here is more cultural references to Aussie performers ‘outside’ of the big cities where the ‘americanised’ influences don’t hold sway. Bush bands still exist, and the story-telling culture has always thrived. Put something about the guys who really sing Australia like Slim Dusty and Alex Hood. Or a couple of Albert Namajeera paintings, these things are important for people to know, it’s not all Kylie. That cultural side is important.

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BobinOz October 22, 2012 at 9:20 pm

Ah, yes, I drove through Apollo Bay on my road trip when I was hitting the Great Ocean Road. Steve, I’m really happy you have found a way to come back home, I hope it’s everything you want it to be and more. You’ve been away a long time, I imagine plenty has changed.

I’d love to do some articles on Slim Dusty and Alex Hood, but I’d have to Google them first to find out who they were :-) I still have a lot to learn about Australia. I have done an article on aboriginal art though, and it also includes a great video called dreamtime. Yes, Australian culture is very important.

Cheers

Bob

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Steve October 21, 2012 at 11:56 pm

I’ve just remembered one of the outstanding things from my childhood in Melbourne’s Eastern Suburbs -Ringwood East.
I’d love it if someone could confirm that this sort of thing is still in existence.
We all know that one of the worst things when you have kids is going to the Supermarkets, or generally doing a days shopping. The kids get bored, they lose interest, they start running around and deciding what goes in the trolley etc.
But when I was a kid, all the big places we went to -though not so big now 40 years on of course – had a brilliant way around this that I have never seen in any other country. They all had small fun-fairs. The one at Eastlands in Ringwood was on the roof as I remember. They weren’t all ferris wheels, dodgems and roller coasters of course, but a couple of merry-go-rounds, a helter skelter etc, and a proper safe playing area with swings slides, sand pits, that sort of thing.
I can remember being delightfully dumped there (and in the one at Forest Hills) many times. Do Australian shopping Malls still have these things or has Health and Safety legislation killed them off now?
Also there was usually someone doing a small show in the Mall on saturday mornings where you could dump the kids to shop in peace. The shows were frequently people off the tv like the kids clowns Zig and Zag (the useage of the term ‘clowns’ in their case is very loose indeed) or someone from The Tarax Show (if it’s no longer going the Tarax Show was pretty much the blueprint for the British TV show TISWAS – I think it was also where Rod Hull’s Emu came from if memory serves).
But those little fairgrounds and entertainments for the kids really did set Australia – well Melbourne as I’ve no idea if they even occured in the rest of Oz but have no reason to presume they were only a local phenomenon- apart.
They were about a form of ‘inclusion’ that I’ve never really found anywhere else on earth. And for anyone moving to Oz, ‘inclusion’ is a huge huge thing that may well surprise you after the almost ‘age-banding’ of British society.

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Kathryn October 22, 2012 at 8:07 am

Steve, no one will allow you to “dump” your kids at a large Shopping Mall or Supermarket entertainment area so that you can wander off and do your shopping! To do so will bring DOCS down on you very quickly. Do you realise the dangers of child abduction in large shopping mall complexes (think James Bulger)? Even if your child(ren) are older, it would be very negligent of parents to leave their children unattended at anytime. Many large shopping malls in Australia still have little child-friendly “Mini playgrounds” for children aged under five. These little mini playgrounds have little slippery dips, miniature merry go rounds and other little attractions – the whole areas are enclosed and parents are required to be there to supervise their children at all times.

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BobinOz October 22, 2012 at 9:28 pm

Yes Steve, as I mentioned in my reply to you above and as Kathryn has pointed out, quite a bit has changed since you last lived here. There are plenty of things for kids to do though, lots of free entertainment for them and loads of stuff to enjoy. You just can’t drop them off and go shopping while they enjoy it :-)

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Steve October 23, 2012 at 7:26 am

I think I phrased it badly, I didn’t mean literally just leave the kids there unattended; they were like creches with people employed to look after the kids for a few hours while the parents did the shopping. It wasn’t free.
Anyway, looks like they’re still there but in a slightly altered form.

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BobinOz October 24, 2012 at 5:38 pm

They have one of those at IKEA, but Elizabeth prefers to go round the store when she goes with her mum. More fun she reckons. Cheers!

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Salander October 24, 2012 at 5:59 pm

This is so exciting, wow….my kids can’t wait to hit those shopping malls. What are they like in Brisbane then?

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BobinOz October 25, 2012 at 4:49 pm

Are you sure? Have they not mention the beach? Parks? Seaworld?

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Chris November 4, 2012 at 2:41 am

Dear All,

I’ve just got my visa approved and will be moving to Melbourne in February with my wife and 18months baby boy. I will be working in the CBD and my wife will be home with our son. Kindly advice if there are any jobs that work from home hence my wife can work and at the same time taking care of our son.
As for place to stay and rent i have search through the net mostly realestate and domain and top of my list is Altona. Will be a great help if anyone can tell me more about the suburb or can reckon any other suburb that suitable to raise a young family. I don’t mind traveling and commute time is 30mins to the city.

Thanks in advance :)

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Nick November 5, 2012 at 7:26 am

Hi Chris, I’m officially helping Bob with any Melbourne related queries as I’m living here and Bob’s not as familiar with the area as I am. Have a look at some of my previous posts above, but Altona is not too bad as a place to bring up a family.

PM Julia Gillard comes from there too!!!!!!! There is though one thing that I must mention to you. Altona has a massive petrol refinery quite near it: The Altona Mobil Refinery. Google it. It’s not bang in the centre, but on the outskirts and can put people off. I thought I’d mention this before you commit to the area.
There is also Wiliamstown which is a lovely place, with good schools, parks, a lovely beach, loads of funky bars, restaurants and shops. We love it there, but it is a bit pricey. Most properties are all “Weatherboard” : Timber frame, buildings with external timber cladding. Not very insulated, but most residents do them up, at a cost. Altona is a mix of brick veneer / weatherboard.
I’d also look at Point Cook if I were you. This is where we’d like to live as you can get a house and land package for around $350K-$500K, 30 mins drive / 25 on the train, to the CBD. My wife works in the CBD and we’re seriously considering it as where we are (Eastern Suburbs) takes ages to get to the beaches etc.

Hope this helps,

Nick

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BobinOz November 5, 2012 at 2:00 pm

Chris, some good tips there from Nick, (thanks Nick!) about where to live in Melbourne, can’t help you with the work from home thing though, not sure there’s much about that is truly genuine, but I’m sure there are plenty of work from home schemes that are useless. So just beware if you pursue that one. Hope you get to love Australia as much as I do.

Cheers

Bob

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Chris November 9, 2012 at 5:37 am

Thanks to both for some good tips.
Am still searching around and still can’t decide on where to live. It’s indeed Melbourne is a big city and you get spoil for choices. Ya Nick i have notice about the huge refinery near Altona but i guess i can live with it since its location is on the outskirt.
Point Cook is pretty good and reasonable on rental and the area is coming up but i don’t have a car and transportation will be the issue due to the train stations are quite a distance and Williamstown is a bit pricey though.
Kindly advice and recommend a good suburb? Looking for one with good schools, safe for families with heaps of parks and other child-friendly activities. Reasonable rental prices as well.
All your feedback and tips will be much appreciated. Thanks!

Cheers,
Chris

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BobinOz November 9, 2012 at 2:28 pm

Have a look at my page called Which Suburb? and use the link to Street Advisor to research suburbs.

Also check out my page Which school?.

Cheers

Bob

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Nick November 11, 2012 at 5:02 pm

Chris, I have only one thing to say mate: GET A CAR!!!!!!!!!! You’d be mad to come here without one!!

There’s so much to do and see, and this would greatly improve your chances of getting a decent property near Melbourne, and also seeing all the lovely sights and sounds of Victoria. We’ve just been to the Macedon Ranges for the day, but last week we went to Healesville and to Mentone Beach. Without a car mate, you really reduce your activities.

There are many, many suburbs to choose from so it’s difficult for me to say or single out one. If you could be a bit more specific about what you want then I can be more specific in helping you search/choose a suburb. You could live North, South, East or West. They all have good and bad things: Price, commuting time etc etc. So it’s be better to be more precise. That way I can be!!

We live near Donvale, in the East. On a good day, it’s about 20 mins to Hoddle St. which will take you to the heart of the CBD. Most days it’s about 30+ mins though. It all depends on the traffic. My wife takes the train to Southern Cross and it takes her about 30 mins on the express train so it’s not to bad.

I always believe that the most successful way of healthy living is to live as near as possible to your workplace. That way you’re not in the Rat Race (too much) and you can spend more QT with the family and friends. It’s also not as depressing to have to do the daily commute. I swear by that notion and live to it every day!

Anyways, hope this helps?!!

Nick

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Chris November 16, 2012 at 2:56 am

Thanks Nick for all the info and tips. About driving in Melbourne will plan to get one once settle down everything. I understand it’s a beauty to drive around and see around Melbourne. When the time comes might need your help mate to recommend a good deal for a second hand car :)

As for my preferences for a suburb :-
- Budget for rental around 250-300pw (don’t want to waste or spend
too much on rental)
- No more than 15km to CBD
- Commute time about 30mins
- Family friendly and safe with heaps of parks for my little boy
- Good community and amenities around (woolys, coles, cafes, etc..)
- Convenient public transport
- Not too high dense
- Nightlife is not a priority as i will spend most of my free time with my
wife and little boy

Hope the above info can help me find a suburb. Your help is greatly appreciated and looking forward to the move with your kind assistance and help.

Cheers,
Chris

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BobinOz November 16, 2012 at 10:15 pm

Chris

I don’t know Melbourne, but I’m pretty sure I do know that you won’t get anything whatsoever for $250-$300 per week anywhere there, let alone 15 km from the city. Pretty sure you’re going to need to up your budget or live outside of Melbourne.

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Nick November 19, 2012 at 8:19 pm

Hi Chris, sorry to say but Bob and Kathryn are bang on mate.

Depends on how many bedrooms you want in a property but it’s not cheap!! We live in the Eastern Suburbs which ticks all the boxes for you.
Try suburbs like Mitcham, Nunawading, Doncaster East, Templestowe, Vermont, Wantirna, Ringwood. As Kathryn, and Bob have suggested and try these suburbs on Real Estate.com.au and Domain.com

Once you’ve had a look then get back to me once you’ve decided on an area and I’ll do my best to advise!!

Good luck!!

Nick

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Kathryn November 17, 2012 at 7:54 am

Chris, don’t know if you have a family but the only property you can rent for anyting like $250 to $300 pw within the city limits of Melbourne would be a 1 bedroom studio flat. Outlined below is a link to Domain for rental properties that fall in your price range within the city limits of Melbourne. You may need to search further afield in suburbs outside the city limits if you want a larger property:

http://www.domain.com.au/Search/rent/State/VIC/Area/Inner-City/Region/Melbourne-Region/Suburb/Melbourne/?ssubs=1&from=250&to=300&searchterm=Melbourne

Good luck.

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Chris November 25, 2012 at 2:16 am

Thanks guys for all the advise and tips really appreciate it. Kathryn and Bob were spot on i need to look further afield within my budget. I did google around realestate and domain and found that suburbs like Altona, Altona Meadows, Seabrook and Point Cook were all reasonable. I understand it is on the Western side and i don’t mind about it. Can anyone please advise on the suburbs. I heard there will be a new train station call Williams Landing coming up soon.

Thanks a million,
Chris

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BobinOz November 26, 2012 at 2:54 pm

Hopefully someone who knows that area well can help you out Chris, cheers, Bob

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Nick November 27, 2012 at 6:38 pm

Hi Chris,

Although we live in the East, we’re seriously looking at house and land packages to buy and areas like Point Cook and Altona are pretty good. For renting they’re not too bad at all neither.
There’s a large community in Point Cook and alot of POMs live there too. We went there, albeit on a Sunday, and timed it to the West Gate Bridge (You’ll soon know about the WGB if you live in the West!) and it took 20 mins on the freeway. It’s near to live to the CBD, but at the same time it’s not expensive, unlike most of Melbourne’s suburbs. It’s also on the doorstep of the Great Ocean Road passage which is a plus.

Just so you know, today it was lashing it down al morning, then the sun came out and I was sweating! Tonight it’s pleasant. 4 Seasons in 1 day it certainly is!!

I only know Altona for it’s lovely beach and great ice cream but again, it’s close to the CBD and reasonable. There’s a fair few convenience stores and all the people I’ve met from Altona, and PC are very approachable and nice.

Keep looking on Domain / Real Estate and see what you find. Right now, coming up to Christmas, you might well find a bargain house to rent.

Keep looking!!

Cheers,

Nick

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michael November 29, 2012 at 4:08 am

just being a Melbourner and reading comments about the crappy weather, i just thought i`d mention Sydney has on average nearly double the rainfall of Melbourne , although the last 2 years the weather for Melbourne has been mild, prior to that 2 years we had about a ten year very warm spell and drought, as for beaches , we have some decent beaches close, although the best ones are probably out a bit along the coast , you will find beaches there as good as any around Australia, if you think other wise perhaps you need to get out more.
http://thomasjupe.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Wilsons-Promontory-Mt-Oberon-2011-02-123.jpg
, as for suburbs to live in , i`m also a fan of altona along the beach, point cook, and williamstown , williamstown in particular, this place comes alive in summer, and is full of great food places.

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BobinOz November 30, 2012 at 9:51 pm

Thanks for the weather check Michael, Melbourne really does get a bad press on that front, so it’s good to hear someone sticking up for it.

I really like Melbourne city, and last time I was there it was a scorcher, around 36°, and that’s an awesome picture of the coastline. Cheers!

Bob

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Fiore November 29, 2012 at 4:21 am

Hi guys

Thanks for your website really well done.So I’m 28 years old.Im from France,my brother and I think to move on to Australia in february.I work as a plumber even as technician in air conditioning for my brother as a plumber.I’d like to know if the opportunities to find a job in these fields its quite easy in Melbourne or wherever.Furthermore to settle down in Melbourne for a short time what is the best area to reach the center by buses and cheap

I look forward to having some news from anyone

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BobinOz November 30, 2012 at 9:56 pm

Check out my page about Getting a Job or a Sponsorship and use the links to Australia’s top 3 online employment agencies to search for work in the area you’re looking at. That will give you a good idea of what’s available.

As for where to live in Melbourne, your best bet is to read all the comments here, that should help. Good luck!

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suzie November 29, 2012 at 5:28 am

Hi there..

We are planning on emigrating from Ireland to Victoria Melbourne in April 2013… My husband just got a job offer and sponsorship. My question is where is a nice suburbs to raise a family… Also I have a 17 year old (turned 17 in Oct) in 5th year in Ireland and I’m wondering which year in school will she start in as she will have had no leaving certificate done as she still has one year left to do in Ireland. What is the end of year exam called in Oz and also will she depend on this to get into college?
Also I have a 9 year old (turned 9 in July) what year in school will she be going into? I also have a 3 year old, is the childcare crucial prices like everyone says esp when we are on a sponsorship visa…..

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Kathryn November 29, 2012 at 6:06 am

The leaving certificate in the State of Victoria is called the VCE (Victorian Certificate of Education) which is usually undertaken in 13th year of their formal education in the formal school system. In Australia, children can attend pre-school at anytime up to the age of 4 at which age they can attend a more formal pre-school with more structured learning programs. The starting age for formal education can range between 5 (in NSW and Victoria) to 6 (in Queensland). The first year of their formal education is called Kindergarten thence they commence the next year into Year 1 through to Year 6 (in Primary School) thence from Year 7 to Year 12 (in High School). The general quality and standard of education in Australia is extremely high and comparable to the best standards overseas. There is an excellent range of private schools (ranging from extremely expensive to moderately priced theologically based Baptist, Catholic or Islamic schools). May I suggest that you copy and paste the following Victorian Education link into your browser that will provide you with a lot of information.

http://www.education.vic.gov.au/school/Pages/default.aspx

Many schools (in Victoria and NSW) also have linked education with our TAFE Colleges (ie Technical and Further Education) for those children who may not wish to attend University but, rather, decide to to undertake a technical trade, eg industrial trades like mechanics, electrical or plumbing. These linked courses offer students excellent outreach programs, nationally recognised qualifications and the opportunity to attain apprenticeships in a wide range of trades. Such TAFE linked studies usually commence from Year 10. From my understanding, such TAFE linked studies are unique to Australian. I worked in NSW State schools for over 15 years and can tell you, from experience, that our State school system is one of the best in the world with a wide range of innovative educational programs that benefit students from a huge range of multicultural backgrounds. State schools are strictly monitored by State governments to retain a high standard of curriculum achievements and goals. I worked in a large multicultural P1 school (a Primary School of more than 1,000 students) that offered students the opportunity to select from a choice of more than six languages from the age of 6 years (in Year 1).

Your 17 year old should be attending Year 11 and your 9 year old would (probably) be placed into Year 4 within the Victorian or NSW school system.

As soon as you arrive in Australia, I suggest you get your 3 year old booked into a pre-school as a matter of urgency. Pre-schools in Australia can be expensive and the government-subsidised ones are very difficult to get into (unless you book your child in from birth!). Some pre-schools can charge up to AUS.$70.00 per day but prices can vary depending on where you live.

Good luck!

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Nick November 29, 2012 at 6:24 am

Kathryn, tell me about it!

My 2 sons (4&8 years old) are in kinder and after school care and we do get assistance from Centrelink, but it still costs us over $250 per week in top up fees. My 8 year old is at the local primary school and I’ve got to say that the education he’s receiving is outstanding, as is the kinder for my 4 year old.

One less thing to worry about when emigrating!!

BTW, it’s gonna be 38 degrees today and I’m a plumber wiring on a rooftop today….slip, slap slop!!!!

Nick

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suzie January 18, 2013 at 5:17 am

Kathryn,

Thanks you so so much for all that information and my apologies for only replying now, i never seen the reply!!! Look forward to getting over to melbourne now and settling all the smallies in:)

You were very helpful…

Kind regards
Suzie…

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Sascha December 20, 2012 at 12:19 am

Hi Bob, Nick and Kathryn!!

Thanks for all the great info on living in Melbourne. My partner and I have just recieved our permenant visa for oz, so it’ exciting times, but also sobering and nerve wracking. My OH and I currently live in gower, south wales, beautiful place but the weather is….dreadful!! Thus the move to oz, better family life and weather. I am extremely confused on where to relocate, Melbourne or Brisbane? this seems to be a conundrum for most people.

My OH is welsh and a carpenter, and i’m orginally from Cape Town, been travelling all around the world since I left home when I was 18yrs old, I am now 31. We have a daughter who is 8yrs old and I work has a freelance Make up Artist, in fashion and editorial for magazines. When relocating to wales I started a thriving bridal bussiness and make up academy as coming from working in London there was not that many magazine shoots happening my neck of the woods. Melbourne i heard was very much like CT with loads of culture and thriving fashion industry, although my partner will be the one in full time empoyment whist i settle our little one in. Brisbane seems to have the best weather but as OH will be working outside it might half kill him coming from a cool welsh 7c. I guess i’m so confused that even my question isn’t to the point! Just wanted some pro’s and con’s on the two cities, with working out doors and which of the two are more suited to us, just want some pionters and any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Many Thanks

Sascha

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BobinOz December 20, 2012 at 11:43 pm

I’m probably not the best person to answer your question as I’ve never lived in Melbourne. But I do live in Brisbane, I love it here and I don’t really see the weather is a problem, it’s more of an attraction.

Tradies, in the summer, will often start work at 6 o’clock in the morning and be finished by 2 o’clock in the afternoon just to beat the heat. Then they will go home, crack open a tinnie and jump in the pool.

Melbourne is a great city too, but I’ll leave those who live there to tell you more about that, I think you need to decide whether you like your weather hot or sometimes hot and sometimes cold. I do a round up of the cities on my page called A Quick Guide to Choosing a City in Australia.

I hope your move goes well which ever city you decide to go to.

Cheers

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Nick January 17, 2013 at 1:56 pm

Hi Sascha, I reckon that your OH will most probably prefer Melbourne, from a working perspective. I don’t know Brisbane at all, The Guv’nor, Bob, knows all there is to know about there and I’d very much like to visit sometime, but we have decided to settle, here in Victoria.

I’m a plumber and the winters are quite mild, compared to the UK. Average days are 13-16 degrees. Mornings and nights are cold so you will need heating.

Summers, right now are hot. Today’s 39 degrees, but tomorrow’s gonna be 30. It goes up and down a bit, but is ok to work in. Spring and Autumn are 18 – mid 20′s.

You sometimes get sunshine, wind, rain hot/cold all in one day, hence the saying “4 Seasons in 1 day”, in Melbourne.

We’ve decided to settle here as I have family and friends, know the area well, and realise what Victoria has to offer.

Sure there are loads of lovely places in all of Oz, each with their own pros and cons, so it is very difficult to choose.

Melbourne has so much going for it and is a very, diverse, cultural busy city, day and night. All Melburnians that I’ve met are really friendly and we’ve been out in town and had a great time. It’s safe and friendly!

But not just Melbourne itself, but Victoria state. We’ve just had a friend and her kids over from Spain, for the hols, and we went to countless beaches, parks, the mountains, hinterland, Phillip Island. Funparks etc. etc.

There’s loads to do, lots of jobs, hot summers, cold winters and everything else in between!

You’ll find some things are expensive, others cheaper than the UK. It’s down to preference and lifestyle, but I think you and your family would love all that this state and city has to offer.

There you go. I sound an advert for the Vic Tourist board!!

Best of luck,

Nick

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Sascha February 1, 2013 at 9:38 pm

Thanks Nick for all the info, guess coming from Wales I’m totally weather obsessed. Work prospects look better for me in Melbourne as I work in fashion, I’m going to be coming down to Melbourne with my daughter and OH, we are planning to spend a week there looking around and have meetings with agents who could represent me. What’s the best way to go about accommodation, where would be the best area, east suburbs, about 20/30 to CBD, is there furnished apartments that you can rent for a week? Sorry seems so obvious but just trying to get a feel, our plan than is to fly to Brisbane and get a motorhome and travel around Brisbane, gold cost ect. Just thought I need to see Melbourne with m own eye and check out job prospects. Thanks nick and bob for your help so far, it’s priceless! X

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Nick February 4, 2013 at 12:09 pm

Hi Sascha, you can rent a furnished apartment for a week in Melbourne.

My friend owns a serviced apartment in South Yarra, although the prices are dictated to by the company, which is a stone’s throw from the CBD and St Kilda Beach, which would be great for you guys. South Yarra is a very trendy suburb with loads of bars, restaurants and shops.

The company is called PuntHill Apartments, here’s the link:

http://www.punthill.com.au/melbourne-accommodation/south-yarra-grand.html

Or if that doesn’t work, here’s a google page for you to choose from:

http://www.google.com.au/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=serviced+apartments+to+rent+in+melbourne&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&redir_esc=&ei=dhYPUZaRC6SkiAfY44B4

The above link may also be helpful to anyone else looking to come to visit Melbourne too.

Hope this helps. I’m only glad to help, being half Welsh, and also the stress it took to move here in the first place, without knowing about this site.

BTW, it’s 25 degrees today, and it feels alot hotter than that. It’s only rained last week for 2/3 days and now it’s fine again.

So to all those who slate Melbourne’s weather, take another look!!

Good Luck Sascha and let me know if I can help with anything else ok?

Cheers,

Nick

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Chris December 22, 2012 at 3:20 am

Hi All, it’s been a while..

I have been searching through the net mainly on realestate and shortlisted the suburbs that ticks my boxes and within my budget and still within Zone1
Altona Meadows, Altona, Seabrook. Second options will be Point Cook and Williams Landing Zone2. Will be looking for 2-3 bedrooms house, unit or townhouse.
Can anyone tell me more about these suburbs. And i read that Williams Landing is new and an up and coming suburb with a new premium train station, town centre and shopping precinct.
I will be arriving in Melbourne 8 Feb next year from KL, Malaysia and once settle down my wife and son will be joining me. I will be working in the city and will rely on the public transport to commute at first before planning to get a car as Nick said before.
Thanks Nick, Bob and Kathryn for the tips and earlier comments and it does help me to narrow down my search. I have google around the Eastern side as well to compare, is lovely but it’s not within my budget so I opt for the West.
Looking forward for my move to Melbourne.

Cheers everyone,
Chris

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Nick February 4, 2013 at 11:56 am

Good luck with it all mate!

If I can help with any other things, then just let me know!

Cheers,

Nick

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tigger January 3, 2013 at 4:59 am

Hi Chris, glad you are looking forward to coming here. There might be a few words of wisdom I can impart on you before you make a decision on where you settle.
Firstly, I congratulate you on choosing Victoria, it is by far the superior state to both work and live in (really they are all pretty good but I must impose my staunch home-state bias here, it’s obligatory!)

Regarding your options for ‘zone 1′ accommodation, there are many new developments in the western suburbs – Altona, Point Cook, Werribee, Deer Park (including a nice little new estate by the name of Derrimut). This will cost you around the $350 – $450 pw mark for a brand new 3 – 4 brm house.

Public transport is somewhat reliable, although if you don’t have a car, depending on where you are located, it may take a half hour walk to get to the nearest station. Most people will drive to the station and park there while they go to work. Usual transit times from these areas are 20 – 40 minutes depending on the service you use (V-Line much quicker and cleaner and safer than Metro, but Metro will service more areas.)

These areas are somewhat close to the bay, but not a place I would consider living in (again). My suggestion to you or anyone else looking at moving the family down here would be to look at Geelong and the Bellarine Peninsula. A train from Geelong to Melbourne is about a 50 – 60 minute ride on V-Line. Very close to all amenities, beaches, wineries etc etc etc. Rent is probably a fair bit less than the western suburbs listed above, plus you are right on the coast.

‘Ha’ I hear you say – ‘I dont need to be that close to the beach’, but let me tell you, when the temperature reaches 40+ which it will do at least once each summer, Geelong gets the ‘cool breeze’ in the arvo, while western suburbanites will swelter through the night and often not get it till the next morning. Doesn’t matter how fancy your AC unit is, it won’t provide you relief from a 45 degree day in the ‘burbs.

So anyway, check out Geelong, but I must stress DO NOT SETTLE FOR THE NORTHERN SUBURBS!!!! So North Geelong, Corio, Norlane are out of bounds! anywhere south, east or west Geelong are fine. But don’t tell me I didn’t warn you about the northern suburbs!!

Good luck with it all, hope I gave you some food for thought, and hopefully you find a nice place to settle.

Cheers

Tigger

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Jessie January 6, 2013 at 12:06 am

Hi Tigger,
you seem to know your stuff lol
so I was gonna ask u directly on which areas are best for a family.
We are considering to move to melbourne. My partners brother lives in Yarraville and they will most likely be working together in around the area.
He is a qualified carpenter but if he wants to be sponsored he will have to start there as a commercial labourer.
Anyway more to the point… I was looking into areas:
Western seem to be cheaper. we dont wanna be right in the city but not too far either. beachareas too expensive and my prefered german/australian school is in toorak.
I looked into brighton east, bentleigh, hampton east, malvern east
and much cheaper : Heidelberg west, altona north, sunshine west… but i heard sunshine is more on the rough side so prob not suitable for a young family (kids are 4 and 1). hope u or anyone else can help me a bit with ur knowledge :)
Thanks

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Nick January 17, 2013 at 2:04 pm

Hi Jessie, I’m Nick and I’ved lived here for over a year now.

We live in the Eastern Suburbs, near Donvale. But it’s a bit pricey.

We’ve seriously looked at Point Cook as a place to live and Saltwater Coast is a new development, in the corner where it’s surrounded by natural environment.

It’s about 30 mins drive to the CBD, 20-25 to Yarraville too. It’s about 25K out, but sometimes the traffic does get snarled up a bit.

Brighton, bentleigh etc. are all quite expensive too, but the West is gaining popularity so it might be worth checking it out.

Best of luck,

Nick

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MugadzawetaFam January 10, 2013 at 9:16 am

Hi…. We are a family of 5; 2, 3, 13 and me and my hubby. My husband is a mental health nurse so he is pretty sorted and knows the jobs to look for for our move…but me I could do with a bit of help! I am a Health Visitor here in the UK so this is the work I would like to do in Oz too, I am dual trained, mental health nurse and specialist community public health nurse (health visitor) but I am finding it near impossible to find any jobs as health visitor! Can anyone offer any advice?

We are looking at the cost of living… any other family’s of 5 that can throw some guide figures at us for living costs inc groceries, leccy, gas, council tax etc?

My 13 year old attends a performing arts school in the uk…. she wants to continue this in Oz, I hear Melbourne is the city of Arts and Culture does this stretch to performing arts schools?!

Any advice shall be gratefully received…. thanks heaps!

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BobinOz January 10, 2013 at 9:38 pm

Melbourne certainly is the city in Australia best known for its art and culture, but as I live in Brisbane (with only one child) I can’t help you with your question, hopefully somebody else from over that way can help you out.

Anybody?

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Nick January 17, 2013 at 2:16 pm

Hi there,

I live and work in the Melbourne area but I’m not in your profession so I don’t really know where you could start to look I’m afraid. Have you used “Seek.com.au”?

There are a mix of public / private hospitals, clinics, institutions which will most definitely hire your services but I don’t know how you’d start to look. Maybe specialist agencies, or contact certain regional health organisations, as a starting point?

Cost of living: We are a family of 4, 2 kids/adults and our weekly shop is around $220. Utilities go from $150 – $300 every 2 months. Childcare isn’t cheap and you’d need to register with CentreLink, the national welfare organisation that can help you with costs. It depends on your visa. Try to get Permanent Residency as this entitles you to benefits.

If you rent a house, then generally the landlord will pay the rates (C.Tax). Ours does so I don’t know what it is. Bob might be able to help there?

Melbourne is thriving with performing arts schools / colleges so I don’t think you’d have too much trouble finding somewhere for your daughter.

Hope this helps?

Cheers,

Nick

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jimbo January 30, 2013 at 9:27 am

Can’t agree with one of the first posters on the thread that said “there was nothing but grey skies and crap weather from April to November 2011. People should look at the Borough of Meteorology which has in depth statistics for each Australian city. Browsing through this will show you what the weather”s really like. Yes it changes but it’s usually a change in temperature – we get over 2500 hours of sun a year and right now it’s been 6 weeks since we had any rain to speak of – summers are great , particularly if you’re from the UK. Personally i really like the dry heat & couldnt bear Queensland or Sydney summers with the humidity. Winters – 12-15 degrees. very balmy!

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Nick January 30, 2013 at 7:47 pm

Here here!!

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BobinOz January 31, 2013 at 3:04 pm

I agree too, when was the last time the UK went six weeks without rain?

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Nick January 31, 2013 at 4:43 pm

I second that, although its just lashed it down whilst I’ve been driving home!

1st time for ages and the summer’s been brilliant.

Thumbs up for Melbourne!!

Nick

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Jess February 4, 2013 at 3:35 pm

I would love to know where you saw this hurricane? I have never seen one come out of the sky, and I have lived in Victoria my whole life! haha!

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BobinOz February 4, 2013 at 4:26 pm

You are absolutely right Jess, how misleading of me. Melbourne, and indeed Australia, do not get hurricanes. That’s my old northern hemisphere brain. Here in Australia we get cyclones, but I don’t think Melbourne even has those, the sea is not warm enough.

What can happen in Melbourne which is what I was referring to, are the wild winds that can, at times, hit 90 to 100 km/h. So, thanks for pointing that out, I’ve changed the word “Hurricanes” to the words “Wild winds”.

Cheers

Bob

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Jess February 5, 2013 at 8:56 am

Yep, that makes much more sense! Definitely strong winds. I don’t think any cyclones have come down past the Sydney area.

Anyway, I have had a quick look at your page and I thoroughly enjoyed the “yakka’s”! (and everything else seems about right for beautiful Melbourne!).

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BobinOz February 5, 2013 at 8:46 pm

Thanks Jess!

Bob

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Hugo April 13, 2013 at 5:23 am

Great site Bob.

For me the weather is all about the wind. Does not help if it`s a nice 28 degrees and the wind is blowing at 90km/h.

Does Melbourne have windy months in summer and winter?
What about Sydney?

Thanks guys

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BobinOz April 14, 2013 at 8:52 pm

Thanks Hugo

Both places have their windy days, but I don’t think they really have excessively windy periods. Sydney’s weather is probably better than that of Melbourne, but I’ll leave it to the people who live there to give you a more accurate answer, I’ve only been to each place as a visitor.

Cheers

Bob

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Opal February 12, 2013 at 11:12 pm

Hi all,
Great news- our visas were granted! It took thirteen months but definitely worth it in the end. We are making our permanent move in June and are looking forward to it.

We have now narrowed our search down to Doncaster East- mainly because of the good public schools in the area and the relatively affordable housing prices.
Does anyone know anything about this area? Based on our research it’s a decent area and only 10 miles or so from the CBD.
We’ve been scouting preschools as well since our dear daughter is almost 4 and, as we both work full time, will be attending full time. Can anyone suggest one? We’ve found two: Beverley Hills Preschool and Doncaster East Preschool but they do not offer full time care. Any suggestion is greatly appreciated

Thanks.

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BobinOz February 13, 2013 at 11:16 pm

Congratulations Opal, glad to hear you are on your way.

Obviously I can’t help you with this question, I just don’t know Melbourne well enough, only spent three days there in total. But I’m sure someone from over there will help you out soon, Nick knows Melbourne well, and I’m sure somebody reading this will know the suburb you’re looking at very well.

Good luck with the move.

Cheers

Bob

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Nick February 14, 2013 at 7:09 am

Hi Opal, congratulations!

Bob’s right, I can help with lots of advice as I live near Doncaster East, and I have 2 kids that go to kinder and primary schools respectively.

I’m at work now, so can’t write much more till later today.

Hold this space!!!

Nick

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Opal February 16, 2013 at 4:18 am

Thanks Nick.:-)

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Nick February 19, 2013 at 6:30 pm

Hi Opal, sorry for the delay. I’ve been very busy!!

We live in Nunawading, right near Doncaster East, and my 4 yr old little boy goes to “Our Kids” Day Care Centre. They open at 7am till 6pm. There are also quite a few more.

Have a look at this link for some more:
http://www.truelocal.com.au/find/childcare/vic/melbourne-greater-metro/nunawading/

It is quite difficult to get into the day care centres, but once you do get in then you can relax. We’re full timers so our older son goes to Donvale Primary School, which is a great, great school. We’re really lucky as we’ve made alot of friends from just our kids in these 2 schools!

Doncaster East is a nice neighbourhood. There’s loads of good parks. Ruffy Lake Park is a great park. Westerfolds Park too.

Really good shopping centre called Westfield as well. Massive!!

Doncaster East is close to the Eastern Freeway, which will take you about 20 mins to get into Melbourne (with light traffic!).

Also, regarding your visa, are you PR Staus? If so, then you’ll need to register with Centrelink, Australia’s welfare department, as you will be entitled to child care benefit/rebate, and maybe other benefits. They can pay up to 50% for you if you’re full time work and your child attends day school. Go to:

http://www.humanservices.gov.au/

Click on the relevant links to get to Centrelink.

If I can be of further assistance, please let me know.

Best of luck!!

Nick

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Augusto Efraín Chanona Burguete February 19, 2013 at 5:25 am

Le solicito la posibilidad de que nos guíen o nos orienten para saber como conseguir o contratar temporalmente vivienda temporal en Melbourne, para estudiantes universitarios que cursaran durante 6 meses aprendisaje de su carrera profesional en esa ciudad, por lo que mucho agradeceremos su apoyo, saludos

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BobinOz February 20, 2013 at 12:20 am

Sure, check out my page about Cost of Buying or Renting a House in Australia and use the links to rentals.

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vani khera February 19, 2013 at 4:13 pm

Hi,

I am planning to move to Melbourne in Sep 2013. Can anyone help me out which are the best places in melbourne to live. Initially we will not be having any conveyance and my husband is in IT job and I am HR Consultant.

We are looking out the place wherein the house rents are not too high, connectivity( as we don not have any conveyance).
Can anyone help us out in that. :)

Vani

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BobinOz February 20, 2013 at 12:23 am

Well, you can click on the link I provided in the above comment to Augusto, and you could also find out a lot simply by reading all of these comments, they will certainly give you lots of ideas.

Cheers

Bob

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Opal February 19, 2013 at 11:00 pm

Nick, thanks for the information. I have another question. We are currently trying to find short-term accommodation for a month until we rent. We’ve been looking on Stayz.au but the prices are ridiculous ($180 p.n.)- do you know anyone who rents short-term at a more affordable rate?

Thanks again

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BobinOz February 20, 2013 at 1:03 am

Hi Opal

You need to read the comments that have been written before you, Nick has already answered somebody else about finding short-term accommodation, just keep scrolling upwards a little while and you’ll see it.

Cheers

Bob

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Opal February 20, 2013 at 5:41 am

Got it! Thanks Bob

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Emma February 22, 2013 at 7:10 am

Hi
Were a family of 5, kids are 13, 6, 4, moving to melbourne in Nov 13, just reading all these comments and i am wondering why Tigger says not to settle for the northern suburbs. This is the area we were considering, maybe Epping as my husband will be working in Campbellfield. Any info much appreciated.
Cheers
Emma

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BobinOz February 26, 2013 at 3:50 pm

Hi Emma

Obviously I’ll leave that one to Tigger to answer, if he’s still around, or maybe anyone else who knows that area well can help you. Cheers!

Bob

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Kathryn April 10, 2013 at 7:47 am

Emma, I live in Sydney and I have never heard of Campbellfield. Do you mean Campbelltown? Campbelltown is a large multicultural area in south western Sydney and a long way from the very expensive northern suburbs. At least a 1-1/2 hours drive in peak hour traffic. The far northern suburbs of Epping are rather isolated, socially and geographically, from the rest of Sydney. Epping is a very large, congested and industrial area of the distant north shore. Rental and property values of the north shore are extremely expensive. However, rents in and around Campbelltown (or nearby Liverpool) are a lot cheaper although the area is less salubrious than the northern or southern beach areas of Sydney. If you want to live on the northern shores, my advice is to look further north at the beautiful northern beach areas of Collaroy, Narrabeen, Dee Why or Mona Vale – they are really lovely, scenic areas with gorgeous beaches, great restaurants and cafes and terrific shopping centres – however, they are a bit of a hike out of Sydney. However, the general population there are a lot friendlier – it is a bit of a generalisation but many people say that people living on the lower north shore are rather aloof, unfriendly and a bit “snooty” (but don’t quote me – it IS a common generalisation). Good luck!

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Nabeela February 24, 2013 at 11:24 pm

Hi Bob Im thinking of moving to Glenroy, Victoria, Melbourne. I was wondering roughly how much a house is on Glenroy Road. I decided here because of the beautiful weather (better than London, UK). Also how far are schools, colleges, uni’s, shoppin malls, train stations ect are? Your website has been very informative and straight to the point. Thank You

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BobinOz February 26, 2013 at 3:52 pm

Hi Nabeela

You can find out about house prices on my page called Cost of Buying or Renting a House in Australia; as for your other questions, I’ll leave that to a local, hopefully someone from that way will help you out. Cheers, Bob

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Ronnie Teja March 26, 2013 at 2:54 pm

Hey Bob,
I am really exploring your site right now and am wondering do you have any insight into where the expats live in Melbourne? You know kind of like the Bondi of Sydney? Maybe you could shed some light i’d appreciate it alot

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BobinOz March 27, 2013 at 12:51 am

I can’t, but hopefully someone living in Melbourne will pop in here and help you out. If Nick is about, I’m sure he will, he knows Melbourne well.

Cheers

Bob

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Kathryn April 10, 2013 at 7:58 am

Ronnie Teja, click on the following link which will provide you with indepth information relating to the very multicultural demography of Melbourne and what areas of the city they live:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Melbourne

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Nick March 27, 2013 at 9:55 pm

Hi Ronnie, it’s Nick here, Bob’s Melbourne contact!!

We live in the Eastern Suburbs, Nunawading to be precise! My son (8.5 yes old) plays for Ringwood soccer club and practically all the kids in his team are English. We know quite a few families here so you could say the East has the most. But…… Point Cook in the West has quite a large English population aswell as Melbourne Village!!

We’ve only been here for a year and a half so I don’t know an exact area but I do know that the East definitely has a reasonable size of POMS living in it!!

Hope this helps?

Cheers,

Nick

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Bala April 9, 2013 at 1:38 am

Hi Bob,

Really a very informative site. Appreciate all your effort behind this!

I am considering moving to Australia. I am basically from India, but currently employed in Singapore. I am trying to identify places in Australia where there is a high concentration of professionals from my country. I have to start somewhere, I am starting with Melbourne therefore. So my question is – which neighborhood in Melbourne has a high concentration of people from India? If this has been answered already in any of the other sections, please redirect me to the same.

Appreciate your input on this

Cheers
Bala

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BobinOz April 9, 2013 at 12:27 pm

I’m sure it has been answered somewhere else, but I’m afraid I can’t find it Bala. Hopefully someone who knows the area well will be able to help you out. Nick, who has answered many comments above, knows Melbourne well so he might come up with something if he is around.

Cheers

Bob

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Nick April 9, 2013 at 2:12 pm

Hi Bala, I got this link this morning as I’m subscribed to all Melbourne, and other posts, on this site.
But, to be honest, I really couldn’t tell you right now. There’s a large ethnic community in Springvale, but that’s mainly Chinese and Thai. I’m sure there are suburbs that have a large Indian community but I don’t know where, exactly.

I’ll try and find out for you ok?

Cheers,

Nick

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Bala April 9, 2013 at 11:37 pm

Bob/Nick,

Thanks a ton for taking interest in responding to me. I shall look forward to more information from you if possible in the coming days.

Also, though my question is about Melbourne, it is pretty much a question I would ask about any of the major cities in Oz. So please feel free to respond within the context of any other city you are more familiar with.

Thanks again and looking forward!

Cheers,
Bala

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Kathryn April 10, 2013 at 7:33 am

Bala, I was reading your comments above. I live in Sydney and, for your information, want to let you know that the following metropolitan areas (of Sydney)have a high concentration of Indian migrants: Fairfield, Parramatta, Westmead, Glenwood, Kellyville, Harris Park, Liverpool, Quakers Hill and Blacktown. Most of these suburbs are located in the mid-west and far western areas of Sydney. Parramatta, Blacktown and Liverpool are large outer satellite cities of Sydney that are completely self-sufficient with lots of restaurants, shops and industry. They are connected to Sydney by good rail services but are about an hour’s drive from the centre of Sydney (on the arterial M4 and M5 links). If you read the link (below) it shows the demography of this very multicultural city.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Sydney

According to Wikipedia, the Indian population of Melbourne are centred around the south-eastern suburbs of Hampton Park, Narre Warren and many suburbs that stretch across the north-western and south-western areas of the city. Like Sydney, Melbourne is an extraordinary multicultural city. Melbourne has the largest Greek population outside of Athens in the world and more than quarter of the population of Victoria are born overseas. Read this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Melbourne

However, if you want my advice, I suggest you move into any area you like whether they contain people from India or not. If you wish to assimilate and meet Australians, it would be a better idea to make a real effort not to stay grouped into your own demography and to get out in the community and meet Australians of all origins. This will provide you with a more balanced view of multicultural Australia otherwise, why leave India at all?

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Bala April 11, 2013 at 12:35 am

Hi Kathryn,

Many thanks for your detailed and informative response!

The links you provided is a real interesting read. We are currently just about to begin the skills assessment process, so I assume it is a long way to go. From that perspective, we are still a novice about getting more knowledgeable about how life goes on in Australia. As a first action item, I have promised myself to read through this wonderful website as much as I can, including the queries and responses by others, just so that most of the typical ‘novice’ level questions that pop up in my mind get answered along the way. However, please do share any information you find worth sharing with a person at this stage of the PR process.

To your last point – you hit the bull’s eye! Both me and my wife are firm believers that life is not complete until we experience and appreciate the different ways in which it life is lived all around the world. My question is more towards getting the comfort factor that there are people from my country who have been to a certain city and done what we now intend to do. Extending this discussion, it would be nice if you could shed some light on events/occasions where Australians and Indians get together and collaborate, or , for that matter, any other ethnic background.

Eagerly awaiting more enlightenment!

Cheers
Bala

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Kathryn April 11, 2013 at 7:55 am

Bala, for your information, outlined below are some links that will provide you with a list of Indian Associations throughout Sydney and Melbourne. These links will also provide you with a whole heap of other information eg Indian festivities celebrated in India, a list of Indian businesses and contacts within both cities:

http://www.hcindia-au.org/indian_association_in_nsw.html

http://www.hcindia-au.org/indian_association_in_victoria.html

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Bala April 12, 2013 at 1:52 am

Kathryn, thanks again for these links. Couldn’t ask for more!

Also, my agent tells me that I seem to qualify for subclass 189, which is the Skilled Independent – Permanent visa based on their own assessment. I am initiating the formal skills assessment process now. My agent says it might take 8-12 weeks to know the assessment outcome and he recommends that I take the IELTS test in the meantime.

I am all ears for any kind of suggestions/tips/warnings etc.!

Cheers
Bala

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BobinOz April 12, 2013 at 11:02 pm

That’s a different kind of question for a different (and more relevant) page Bala. But I would suggest that if you can’t trust your MARA agent, get another one.

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Elizabeth McC April 12, 2013 at 6:54 pm

Hi Bob,

Your website is the most useful site I’ve seen so far- and I’ve been looking at a fair few! My husband and I are thinking of moving to Australia – We are both teachers with a young family and were wondering where to move to in Australia. We would like somewhere with good value for money houses and good Schools but also somewhere lively and vibrant. Where do you suggest?

Thanks!

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BobinOz April 12, 2013 at 11:33 pm

Brisbane, but then I would, I live here and I love it. That said, it also fits your criteria, but I also suggest you take a look at my page A Quick Guide to Choosing a City in Australia.

Good luck, and I’m pleased to hear you have found my website so useful.

Cheers

Bob

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Elizabeth McC April 13, 2013 at 4:49 pm

Thanks a lot Bob!
I know there is a big demand for doctors and nurses in Oz but is there a demand for Science teachers too?

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BobinOz April 14, 2013 at 9:39 pm

I don’t know, you’ll need to check the Skilled Occupations List (SOL), you should find a link to it on my page about the Points Calculator.

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Nick May 5, 2013 at 7:13 pm

Update: Plumbing in Oz

Hi Bob, I can’t remember which stream I wrote on last time, as it was about 3 months ago, so I thought I’d reply to your above-mentioned comment on SOL’s as my post is all about POMS coming over to Oz to live and work as plumbers, particularly in Victoria, which has the highest Plumbing Standards in the country, and possibly the world as they are more stringent than Europe and USA!!

Just to recap (to those that have no idea about my previous streams/posts)

I ran a successful plumbing firm in the UK, my wife and I decided to migrate to Melbourne for a “Better” life, with my 2 young kids, and we came here on a 176 State Sponsored Skilled Migrant Visa. We decided that Victoria was our place to be, as we have friends and relatives here, and we arrived in Oct’11.

When you arrive, as a plumber, you must go to the PIC (Plumbing Industry Commisssion, or relevant State run operating body) for an interview in order to get a card to be a Registered Plumber, in order to work as a plumber in Victoria, or whatever State/Territory.
In the UK, prior to arriving in Oz, I went to VetAssess (Check with your MARA Agent about this) at a college in Blackburn, Lancashire), in order to be assessed for plumbing in Oz, to aid my visa and subsequent migration.

This was warranted and when I had my interview, in Melbourne, I was instantly awarded Registration. Registration allows you to work with a firm, but not for yourself. In order to work for yourself and “Sign Off” works, you MUST be a Licenced Plumber. This does apply to ALL States, but particularly in Victoria.

So, this is where I continue my findings to all you potential fellow Pommy Plumbers who are looking to migrate and need to be fully aware of what will await you, before you make the move, or, once you arive, what you’ll need to do.

I’ve been working here in Victoria for about a year and a half, and I specialise in “Hydronic Heating”, which to the average European is Gas Central Heating using radiator panels or underfloor heating. Either way, it is relatively a new concept here in Australia, as they generally use the crap “Gas Ducted” system. Hydronic Heating has been around in Europe for over 100 years….it’s a Victorian invention, ironically!!!!!

Anyways, after considerable deliberation, I have had no choice but to attend the local TAFE College and do a course in Water, Gas and Mechanical Services, to gain the Licences required to sign off hydronic heating. As general plumbers in Australia, you will need to get Water and Gas, at the very least, depending on what you want to do.

“Plumbing” in Australia is a very generic term. You can work in roofing, drainage, irrigation, air conditioning, general works, and hydronic heating. Either way…..you’re a plumber!!!! You MUST Registered, at the very, very least to do your job. To work alone/unsupervised you’ll want to become Licenced. I tried to do this, albeit not going to college, buying the complete Water Regs, Gas Regs, etc. etc. but to no avail.

PLUMBING IN AUSTRALIA IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TO UK PLUMMBING: The products, the jointing methods, the installation methods etc. etc.

Take it from me, I know. I’ve been there through the thick of it. Why the hell am I writing this post? TO EDUCATE ALL YOU POTENTIAL POMMY PLUMBERS COMING TO OZ!!!!!!!!!!!

It’s full on guys and you need to be prepared. Some of you will breeze through it, others will struggle. But, with the aid of the local TAFE (Colleges of Further Education) Colleges, you will definitely gain a full insight, and pass the exams to become Registered / Licenced, and then you will be able to earn living, live and work and survive here in Oz.

I don’t think anyone else has written, on this site, the full implications of emigrating as a plumber and what you’ll need to do. Take it from me….this is what you’ll most likely need to do guys: prepare yourself!!!!!!!

I really thought I’d be able to integrate easily, but no. I suffered. And don’t want you guys to suffer, as I did.

Good Luck and I hope the above info helps!!

Cheers,

Nick

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BobinOz May 6, 2013 at 1:59 pm

Thanks for the update Nick, this is stuff plumbers coming here need to know. And for those looking for Nick’s original article about plumbing in Australia, you can read it here.

Sounds like you’ve been through it a bit Nick, but tell me, has it been worth it?

Cheers

Bob

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Nick May 7, 2013 at 2:34 pm

Hi mate, it’s been full on, but it’s definitely been worth it.

When I arrived here, I was bloody nieve about plumbing in Oz. I was more worried about my wife and 2 kids settling as I was sure everything would go well for me. How ironic was it they they all settled in instantly, we made loads of friends from her work/school, and I’ve hated it, workwise, since I arrived, up until a couple of months ago, plus I’m in the process of giving up smoking!!!!!

In the UK, I was 110% confident in all aspects of my work. I could go to any property, assess what was needed, how much it would cost, where to source the materials from, what I could and couldn’t do as per the Regs, and feel totaly confident all the time.

Well, how bloody wrong was I when I came here?!!!!!! It has been very tough, for the above reasons. I was an employer of 4 plumbers, with fully equiped vans in Oxford, then I’ve had to come and work out the back of a cheap car as I couldn’t get credit for a loan for equipment etc. etc., and get paid just above apprentice wages. It’s not been nice.

But things are getting better, and I should be a fully Licenced Plumber and Heating Engineer by the end of August, once I’ve completed all my exams. This will help me gain a decent wage to live in this very expensive town!

Also, we’re much more familiar with the Melbourne Metro area now as I’ve worked all over it, and we’ve settled in much more. Plus we just got FoxTel, so I can watch my beloved Tottenham Hotspur play in the EPL!!!!!

For all plumbers coming here to live and work, please please check with your agent about the correct visa. I came in on a 176 State Sponsored Skilled Migrant Visa. This was because Victoria were prepared to sponsor me and this sped up my application. We wanted to come here in the first place so that worked out well. A 176 Visa is a quicker way to come to Oz.

Check also a company in London called “DownUnder Tradies”. They do a course on Registration and plumbing in Oz, so as to prepare you for the journey ahead. It’s generally on a 3 week basis from Friday all the way through to Sunday and it’s pretty full on, so I’ve heard. But it’s not cheap. It costs over £3000.00!! A plumber can do this course prior to arriving here and it’s recognised here in Oz so it is worth it. I didn’t do it because I thought my VetAssess course was enough, and that plumbing was similar here.

How wrong was I ?!!

In conclusion though, Things are much better here for my family. We love the variety Victoria has to offer, the weather, the landscape, Melbourne etc. It’s all good. We all feel much more positive than we did in the UK and we’ve got a good chance of getting a property here, than in the UK (We’re 1st time buyers). There’s so much to see and do and that’s what counts when you have young kids!!
It’s a much safer environment, cleaner and the locals are really nice too. Heck, we’re cousins aren’t we?!!!

If anyone wants any more info on plumbing here in Oz, then just let me know and I’ll try to help as best I can.

Cheers guys!

Nick

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BobinOz May 8, 2013 at 2:01 pm

Sounds like it’s been hard work Nick, but well worth the effort. You guys seem to be settling in pretty good and enjoying Australia how it should be enjoyed. Thanks again for all the insights into plumbing in Australia, I’m sure many people will find it useful and no doubt you will get asked more questions.

Here’s one now….

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Adrien May 8, 2013 at 8:10 am

Hi Nick,how are you doing?

Well,Im from France worked as a Plumber and technician in air conditioning
So Id like to know how much did you pay vetasss it was in Oz?because I have to get a recognition of my french certificate and some people told me that I dont need to pay vetasss only send my certificate to skill recognition and they will have a meeting with plumber and tell me if I must get some training which are paying

Im pretty lost with all of these organizations even the ambassador of France in Oz could not answer me

I live in Brisbane may be not the same as Victoria

Cheers mate

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Nick May 11, 2013 at 6:13 pm

Hi Adrien, I’ll try to answer your comments although I’m not sure if it will help.

I paid VetAssess £800 (3 yrs ago) for one day’s assessing, in England, PRIOR to my arrival in Melbourne, as part of my main visa requirement. My MARA agent advised me at the time to do this as part of my migration and to get a head start in Victoria.

I would check with Quennsland’s Plumbing Industry Council, if you haven’t already, and ask them where/who you will need need to see to get it recognised.

You may have to pay an official translator, in order to get it converted to English, prior to a body getting it officially recognised. Once recognised, the Plumbing Council will most probably book you in for an interview to assess/determine your level of experience, based on your certificate, which will then award you with being a Registered Plumber, where you can then work in Queensland. Or, if they’re not satisfied, then you will most probably be advised to attend a local TAFE College and do an evening / daytime course based on Australian Standards in Air Conditioning. This is how it is generally, for migrants.

I’m basing this on Victoria, but seeing as Victoria has the most strictest, stringent rules in the whole country, I’m sure it will be fine in Queensland.

The above info is only my advice and is somewhat based on my whole experiences from the UK to here, so please look further into it ok?

Hope this helps!

Cheers,

Nick

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Sascha May 9, 2013 at 8:30 am

Hi nick!

Great read and glad to hear all is well, sometimes the harder the start the better the reward! On a slightly different note and hopefully you can shed some light on this, or anyone who has an insight on any documents or certificates carpenters will need when arriving in oz? My partner and I have had our permeanant visa through and plan to make the move in September once the house is sold and my work contracts complete. I’ve been trying to find out what paperwork my partner might need to start working on sites or with private clients. He is a very competent chippie with about 14 yrs experience and all the qualifications. I guess what I’m trying to get at is are all tradies the same in respect to having to apply for additional Certs in order to work? Sorry it might be completely irrelevant to you being a plumber but if you have any info or maybe bob can shine a light? Hope this makes sense, typing on my iPhone can be disasterous! Look forward to hearing from you, oh and think we are relocating to New South Wales area x

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BobinOz May 11, 2013 at 12:38 am

Hi Sascha

This is something that is on my “to-do” list, to find out how difficult (or not) it might be for various trades, including carpenters, to come over to Australia and start working. I haven’t done it yet though, so hopefully Nick or someone else will be able to help you out with this. Thanks, Bob

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Nick May 11, 2013 at 6:33 pm

Hi Sascha, I don’t think that carpenters need much as their work is not a controlled service like gas work, air con, plumbing, electrics etc.

However, your MARA agent should know what he needs to do , prior to arriving here. There is a body called Trades Recognition Australia (TRA), and they are used to recognise the cometencies of a tradesman, based on evidence of their certificates, photos of their work, experience, testimonials etc. Here’s the link below, have a look:

http://www.innovation.gov.au/SKILLS/SKILLSASSESSMENT/TRADESRECOGNITIONAUSTRALIA/Pages/default.aspx

I think, don’t quote me, that this is for chippies, painters, plasterers, brickies etc. NOT the controlled, pain in the backside, services that I’ve had to go through like VetAssess!!

Also, Adrien, if you’re reading this, then check the above link too. It’s a very important site for tradies to go to, to help them get set up here in Oz. I remember that this was the body I was gonna use, before I had to go through VetAssess.

Also, one more very important thing: ALL TRADIES WORKING ON A BUILDING SITE MUST HAVE A WHITE CARD.

This is an OH&S (Occupational Health and Safety) Card, that you need that proves you have the knowledge to work on sites where accidents can happen. It’s administered by “WorkSafe”. They’re also called “Red Cards”, Purple Cards”, depending on what State/Territory you’re in, but they’re all merging to be the White Card.

You can go to a local TAFE for 1 night to do the course for $200, or do what I did and go and do it online for $60!!!!!! It’s just multiple choice questions about general health and safety issues, and pretty easy. I.e. “John is walking under a ladder on a site, where a man is welding above him: Is this safe?” Obvious answers I assure you!!! You can do it online from here:

http://www.eclipseeducation.com.au/White-Card-Online-Course.asp

It’s recognised in ALL States/Territories.

As for any other certificates, the fact that you’ve got your PR Visa proves that he’s satisfied the requirememts already. It may be as easy as just getting the white card, some transport and tools and knocking on building sites, or using “Seek.com.au” etc.

Hope this all helps. Let me know how you’ve got on. Feedback is always good, – or + !!

Cheers,

Nick

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UkAussi May 21, 2013 at 12:52 am

Coming over to Oz on vacation in 3 weeks to show the wife and look myslef as I left in 1980 when I was 15. Will be checking out Melbourne for a few days and looking at various suburbs as we decided if we move to Oz it will be Melbourne.
As housing is still somewhat over priced in the main areas we are likely looking at the “outer” suburbs to the north (Craigieburn or Mernda) or west (Wyndham or Melton) that are newer and 1/2 the price for housing. Key is to be close to main railway line into Melbourne so your work options are greater.

Will then be vacationing in Sydney for a week or so as we ruled out Sydney as a place to live due to its higher costs, higher crime and poorer public transport amongst other things.

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BobinOz May 21, 2013 at 2:37 pm

Hope you have a good recce, it’ll be interesting to hear what both you and your wife think of it having had a good look around. Cheers!

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alex May 28, 2013 at 5:17 pm

That’s really a very useful article for people who is looking at immigrating, choosing a good place to live will definitely help new comers settle in this city. Just to make some contribution to your effort, you can find more information about lives in Victoria.
http://www.liveinvictoria.vic.gov.au/living-in-victoria

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BobinOz May 28, 2013 at 8:48 pm

Thanks Alex!

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Sian June 1, 2013 at 8:51 am

Hi,
A friend and I are looking to come out to Australia on a working gap year around november (we’ll be 18/19). I was looking at Melbourne as it seemed to be the liveliest and ‘youngest’ city. But how does it look employment wise? We both have experience in retail and waitressing/bar work, how likely would you say we would be able to get a job and what kind of pay too?

Sorry for all the questions, just gotta get it right as its costing a bomb!

Thanks, Sian x

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BobinOz June 3, 2013 at 11:55 pm

Hi Sian

Hopefully someone from Melbourne will help you out with this one, I’m in Brisbane so I don’t know too much about what it’s like down there.

I would also suggest you check out this post…

http://www.bobinoz.com/blog/12363/working-holiday-visas-for-australia/

Cheers

Bob

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Nick June 14, 2013 at 5:35 pm

Hi Sian, I live in the Melbourne suburbs, but I have to say that you’re spoilt for choice on jobs for waitering/bar work. Theres tons of restaurants, bars and pubs. Also, try Crown Resorts. There’s a massive one in the city and they employ 100′s of staff.

Also try Seek.com.au too.

Best of luck!

Nick

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BobinOz June 14, 2013 at 9:21 pm

Thanks Nick, I thought you would know :-)

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Nick June 15, 2013 at 2:44 pm

Thanks Bob, no worries!!

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Opal June 13, 2013 at 11:17 pm

Hey Bob and Nick,
In just another 10 days we will be in Melbourne! Yes, we are very excited though the fact that we’ve not got our daughter in preschool is a little bothersome.
Nick, I’ve emailed almost every preschool in the 3108, 3109 area and still no luck except for one which only opens for three hours per day twice a week.
I’m still hopeful- any help/suggestion will be warmly welcomed :-)

Opal

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Nick June 14, 2013 at 6:29 am

Hi Opal, great news about your imminent arrival!

As for preschool, my little boy goes to “Our kids Montessouri” Preschool in Nunawading which isn’t that far from those suburbs you mentioned. Their no. is:
0061 3 9894 4123. Give them a call, mention my name and ask for Milanka or Vesna. They’re 2 lovely women who run a very good preschool.

If not they can advise on others. It’s a very convenient one as they open at 7am and close at 6pm. Very handy for full timers! They’re very near Nunawading train station that’s direct into the CBD, circa 30 min. ride.

Best of luck!!

Ps. The weathers about the same as the UK, except its full on winter here!!

Cheers,

Nick

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OPAL June 14, 2013 at 11:24 am

Thanks Nick. I contacted Milanka at Montessori and there is vacancy!
Re the weather- it’s actually 81 degrees farenheit in the Caribbean (where I live) so it will be a huge adjustment to winter to put it mildly :-)

Thanks again.
Opal

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Nick June 14, 2013 at 5:31 pm

Hi Opal,

Great news!! Really pleased for you!! You’ll need to contact
Centrelink, to help with the cost of childcare, if you’re eligible that is.

Also, sorry, I thought you lived in the UK!! That’s why I was comparing the weather! It’s still no way as bad as a UK winter here though!!

Good luck with it all!!

Nick

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suzie June 14, 2013 at 12:35 pm

Hi guys

Well we have arrived in Melbourne just last wk from Ireland! Still trying to overcome the jet lag!! But now to decide on a suburb to settle in… we have been lookimg at the keilor downs / taylors lakes area… anybody got any other good suburb areas to check out.. we will be needing near kindy, primary and secondary schools.

Many thanks
Suzie

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Nick June 14, 2013 at 5:39 pm

Hi Suzie, I’m Bob’s Melbourne correspondent, so to speak.

We live in the Eastern Suburbs but there’s so many to choose from.

If I had a bit more info ie. Where you’ll work: Near Melbourne or not, seaside or inland, bayside or inner suburbs etc. etc. then I could help more as there’s a lot!!

Cheers,

Nick

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Tony June 19, 2013 at 12:49 am

Hello Nick!

I’m planning to move to Melbourne from Auckland and is hoping to find a suburb that is within easy access to the CBD, i.e. via the Tram, and where rent wouldn’t be too expensive for just 1 person-myself (supposedly around AU$200-300 for studio/1 bdm). The reason I’d like to have easy access to the Tram network is because I’m sick of Auckland’s traffic (since it upgraded to a “SuperCity” and personally love the buzz/art of inner city Melbourne.

I’ve also heard quite different viewpoints about the Eastern, Western and Northern suburbs: some said one is more ” socially complicated” while others said Northern suburbs can get quite hot during summer. What’s your take on the weather and social part of these suburbs? Lastly, I have a small Fox T and love to take him out for runs after work (i.e. parks etc).

Could you maybe advice me on where to start looking please?

Cheers,
Tony

P.S. BTW, best website I’ve come across so far! Thumbs up to you Bob!

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Mish June 19, 2013 at 5:22 pm

Kia ora Tony. We live in Melbourne 3004 which is around the St Kilda Road area. Lots of parks for dog walking, trams every 2 mins and flat enough to ride a bike, which I do, every day.

Our 1 bedroom apartment is $390 pw, art deco, renovated, big deck, garage…

Good luck with your move.

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Snortbrick June 28, 2013 at 9:28 am

I mean, tell me is the weather in the winter in Melbourne better than the winter in England? I mean, well i live in the North east of England and i’m a terrible Eczema sufferer.
Yes, and what are the best areas in Melbourne where i can find decent rental house?

I mean i don’t want to live next to Manson! Come on , i don’t have the kind of money that catches sharks but i want something that can keep me happy and close action.

Many thanks!

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BobinOz June 28, 2013 at 11:30 pm

I don’t know the areas well enough to advise you on where to go, but I’m pretty sure that winters in Melbourne are much better than English winters. But I’ll leave the locals from that way to maybe tell you more.

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Snortbrick June 30, 2013 at 9:21 am

Thanks Bob. Melbourne seems like the type of climate most would die for in England. Great site, haven’t explored it all but will be doing so over the coming months.

Many thanks!

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UkAussi June 29, 2013 at 12:16 am

I was born and lived many years in Yorkshire and there is nowhere in Australia that has winters like the North of England.
We just visited Melbourne and Sydney for 2 weeks (we live in California) and it was what we expected for early winter, overcast, light drizzle some days and anywhere from 10-17c depending on if the sun came out.
From talking with online gaming colleagues in Melbourne it is cold at night, and gets below freezing sometimes in certain areas.

Also check out this website
http://www.weatherzone.com.au/vic/melbourne/melbourne

… and obviously get the popinion and info of people who live there now.

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Snortbrick June 29, 2013 at 8:12 am

There’s nowt like boots on the ground for intel! Yep, i certainly like the sound of it. I can honestly say, it most depressing in the winter these days back in Middlesbrough or anywhere in England for the matter when the winter kicks in. Just had enough of being trapped and frozen in by the weather.

Many thanks!

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Techno July 31, 2013 at 12:15 pm

Hey SB
We lived in the UK for 6 yrs and were told the same about winters in Melbourne.
Yes the weather charts will show 17 deg in winter but what they miss out is the windchill -30-50km/h usually:( So cold weather starts in May and ends in november. Dec heat lasts untill April. January gives you temps btw 33- 43 – oppressive dry heat .we lived here for 4 yrs and now live in Gold Coast1yr.
The weather doesnt get any more perfect than it does in GC- the beach is at ur door step- every meal can be a barbie – parks for kids and dogs alike. You will not find art or culture here. You will find expnsive cars driven by well tanned, fake bossomed middle aged ladies and their botoxed aging hubbies:)

When u come from he UK- its hard to live with out a bit of “art and culture ” around you. Job opportunities are great in Melbourne . Public transport is cheap and affordable. Rent at least 25 minutes (by car)away from the city in the south east direction.Bruwood, Ringwood,Boxhill, Rowville etc.The southwest areas —pointcook and altona are attracting immigrants- but crime rates could be higher.
Good luck with your move. You will still enjoy Melbourne – will never be bored; when the gloomy winters hit- take a months holiday to QLD to enjoy the sun :)

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BobinOz July 31, 2013 at 2:38 pm

love the description of the Gold Coast Techno :-)

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UkAussi June 29, 2013 at 12:24 am

MELBOURNE WEATHER

Here is a better link for folks looking to see ave temps and the highest/lowest temp on record
http://www.weatherzone.com.au/climate/station.jsp?lt=site&lc=86071

So it has never dropped below -3c it seems but it can get VERY HOT (45c) so as always, wear plenty of high end (zinc) sunscreen in summer and a hat!!
Lots of skin cancer in Australia. MY mum always covered us up with sunscreen and hats and I am lucky enough to apparently look 10 years younger than I am, rather than the shrivelled prunes you often see :P

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Opal June 30, 2013 at 1:49 am

Hello Bob,
We’ve finally landed in the Lucky Country and I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for providing such useful information on your site on how to relocate to Australia. I can honestly say it was one of the most influential in influencing my decision to come here.
Again, thank you!

Opal

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BobinOz June 30, 2013 at 2:29 am

Thanks Opal, glad you found my site useful. Hope you get to like Melbourne as much as I love Brisbane, otherwise I might be receiving a different kind of comment some time soon.

Seriously though, hope it all works out, let us know how it goes.

Thanks

Bob

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Jaber July 13, 2013 at 6:57 pm

gudmorning guys
i plan to come to Australia on a vacation (from 25 Dec till 15 Feb
n i still confused about the best place there
so would you kindly “help me” to find it

thank you

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BobinOz July 15, 2013 at 9:12 pm

Best place for what?

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Nonnie August 7, 2013 at 5:50 am

Hey! I’m moving to Melbourne in a few months and want to find a good area to live in. I’m a recent college graduate so someplace with a younger crowd (not too crazy though), good restaurants, live music, character and stuff to do! Any recommendations? Thanks!

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BobinOz August 7, 2013 at 1:29 pm

I’ll leave this one to my Melbourne experts, if Nick and some of the others are around, they should be able to help you out. Do also be sure to read all the comments above, you’ll find some very interesting information here about Melbourne. Cheers, Bob

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Kyle September 29, 2013 at 12:27 pm

Hi Nonnie,

Do you have a preference as to how much you’re willing to spend a week on rent?
The things that you’re after will be found close to the city which will also be quite expensive unless you share a house with other people.

You might like suburbs such as St.Kilda, Hawthorn, Yarraville, Brunswick, Fitzroy, Williamstown, South Melbourne.

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Baige August 7, 2013 at 4:41 pm

Hey Nonnie,

I moved here about 9 months ago and asked the same questions…Im now living in south Melbourne. Perfect for work and a quieter life (age=slightly older) with the hustle and bustle in reaching distance. My second preference would be the places i will come to mention, however as you are a recent grad I would defo recommend Fitzroy and Brunswick, it ticks all the boxes you are after. Its not to far from the city so that you can venture in, but there is loads to keep you busy around that way.
Richmond and South Yarra is nice but more working younger people with not the same amount of buzz…it all depends on how close you want to be to the city center. Then there is St Kilda, live music by the coast line…drinking and partying to the early hours…great to go but no necessarily to live. but that my opinion.

Good luck in your move and if your starting work find somewhere easy to commute from.

hope that helps and happy to say more if you like….Baige

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Nonnie August 23, 2013 at 3:20 pm

Thank you so much for all the info, Baige! I really appreciate it. When you first came over did you stay in a hostel to get yourself accommodated and find a job?

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Baige August 27, 2013 at 12:45 pm

Hey Nonnie, I came over for a job and had accommodation sorted for me, which was a result. So have you decided on where you will be trying for first?

GOodluck

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Martine August 14, 2013 at 12:20 am

Does it get earlier dark at night in Melbourne than Brisbane?

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BobinOz August 14, 2013 at 12:46 am

Not much in it Martine, currently the sun sets about 20 minutes later in the day in Melbourne and it does here in Brisbane.

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Rex August 23, 2013 at 12:42 pm

I must admit that I find all the fuss about the best place to live from the point of view of a potential immigrant quite insulting – no matter where they come from. Surely a good job and a comfortable home should be the main consideration – and of equal importance a feeling of being blessed at being lucky enough to live in Australia and experience its many benefits.

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BobinOz August 23, 2013 at 10:09 pm

That’s rather judgemental of you Rex, and a little condescending. I think people are fully entitled to investigate their options when moving to Australia or any country.

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OPAL August 25, 2013 at 4:14 pm

Hey Bob,
So it’s now two months since we migrated and I love Melbourne, so far, weather withstanding. However, I must warn folks planning to migrate that jobs in Melbourne are hard to come by. As a state sponsored qualified accountant I assumed it would be relatively easy to land a job but the reality is far different. I have sent out over 90 applications to positions up to two levels below my last position and can’t even land an interview because, hear this, I have no local experience.

There is not a shortage of accountants contrary to what the government websites advertise. Recruiters are telling me that for every advertised post, they receive upwards of 150 applicants so the employers have a large pool of qualified candidates, most of whom have local working experience, so they can be as picky as they like in making a selection.
I have not regretted my move but I must admit that the job seeking process has been depressing.

Opal

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BobinOz August 25, 2013 at 10:18 pm

Hi Opal

Thanks for the info, fantastic that you’re loving Melbourne, rotten that you are finding it hard to get a job.

Unfortunately, the problem is the skills list is always out of date, that’s what I’ve been told by people in the recruitment industry. Also, the last year or so here in Australia has been tough and there just simply aren’t the job vacancies around that there were two or three years ago.

Just because a skill is listed on the skills list doesn’t mean there is a genuine shortage right now. You are right to warn my readers about this, and I hope you find work soon.

Cheers, Bob

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sky sports August 27, 2013 at 5:28 am

Great blog! Do you have any tips for aspiring writers?

I’m planning to start my own blog soon but I’m a little lost on everything.

Would you advise starting with a free platform like Wordpress or go for a paid option?
There are so many options out there that I’m totally overwhelmed .. Any suggestions? Thanks a lot!

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BobinOz August 27, 2013 at 2:21 pm

Well I can’t give you any specific tips on writing, I just write as though I’m talking to a friend and I try and keep it as simple as possible, chucking in a bit of humour here and there.

What I will say though is definitely go for WordPress, it’s simply cannot be beaten. I used to have a paid option and went through the painful experience of paying again (in time) to switch it all over to WordPress.

It is simply the best platform out there, do make sure to go self hosted rather than one of those free accounts with blogspot or whatever it’s called.

Good luck, I hope your blog goes well.

Bob

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Erin September 11, 2013 at 9:21 pm

Hi Bob,

I love your site! its very useful. My name is Erin I am 22, and I have been sponsored by a company to go work in Melbourne. Currently going through the visa process at the minute, my partner will be coming out with all being well and my company are covering the costs which is great. I am coming from Ireland and I am struggling to figure out what my budget would be regarding renting a house. My base salary is 55k, the plan is my partner will get a job also but I cant rely on that. Have you any recommendations for how much you could afford to spend on renting based on my salary? Also regarding driving I have a UK license and will be wanting to get a car in Melbourne any idea how I go about this? Any advice would be must appreciated its all pretty overwhelming, but very exciting. Ps I was actually born in Geelong but my parents didn’t have citizenship when they living there so unfortunately I missed out on getting an Australian passport.

Thanks Erin :)

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BobinOz September 14, 2013 at 2:33 pm

Hi Erin

Glad you liked my website and congratulations on getting a job sponsorship here. Really difficult for me to suggest what your budget should be for somewhere to live, other than to say you really need to be keeping your rental outlay as low as possible. 55k isn’t a huge salary, so it certainly would help if your partner could also find work.

Check out my page Cost of Buying or Renting a House in Australia for more help.

Cars aren’t cheap here either, but they are quite essential if you want to get out and about. As for driving on your UK licence, here are the rules according to VicRoads.

Good luck, Bob

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Kirst September 15, 2013 at 5:31 pm

Hi Bob,

Thanks for such an insightful website. We are busy putting in our application from Johannesburg South Africa. I love South Africa, we’re 2nd born generation Chinese who can’t speak any Chinese and especially post-Apartheid we live in a very integrated society where we have lots of friends from every cultural group.

Unfortunately with the crime and a young family we know we need to move but I get cold feet when I hear about racism which is sometimes not openly acknowledged through the media. We are a minority group here and we’re not used to being judged as “foreigners” just because we’re Chinese. I would love to hear your honest views of how this really is “on the ground” as I like to think we make friends easily but maybe in South Africa we are more open to talk about our prejudices and call it out when we see it? Is it easy making multi-cultural friendships in Melbourne or do cultural groups stick to each other? We have a very wide set of friends from every walk of life :)

I also wanted to ask about education. We feel we have to send our kids to private schools here because the public education is not great. How do you go about finding a good school that can offer good quality education and care to your kids?

On visits to Melbourne I fell in love with the vibe of the city but maybe on holiday everything seems fantastic?

Thanks,
Kirst

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BobinOz September 16, 2013 at 3:37 pm

Here are a couple of posts for you to read…

http://www.bobinoz.com/blog/11904/is-australia-racist-racism-in-australia/

http://www.bobinoz.com/blog/4077/australian-education-standards-compared-to-the-uk-and-usa/

That should answer your questions :-) Be sure to read the comments too.

Cheers, Bob

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Shweinna September 29, 2013 at 3:20 am

Hello. Informative site by the way.
How about the cost of housing in Melbourne ?

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Kyle September 29, 2013 at 12:21 pm

Nice article Bob :)

People are far too focused on Melbourne’s winters and base their whole decisions on that, and that is something that has always bugged me.

Average winter temperatures range from 13.5 – 15 degrees. There are plenty of days in winter where it can reach up to 18 degrees and have clear sunny skies which makes it feel like 25 in the sun, but there can be a few days here and there where it may only reach 12 with rain. Not every winter day in Melbourne will be unpleasant, and I have lived here my whole life. We’ve just had one of our warmest winter’s on record.
Otherwise Melbourne has a very pleasant and lovely climate which people don’t like to give it credit for. Most of the year temps will range from around 20-35+ degrees. Once every now and then, particularly in Spring we can have four seasons in one day, however four seasons in one week can be more accurate.

We’ve successfully had people who move here from warm climates and adapt easily to our weather. After all, Melbourne does have a mild temperate climate with an annual average temperature of 20 degrees and around 2200 hours of sunshine, so it’s very pleasant.

Is a few weeks of the year in winter really enough for people to sacrifice a life in a city with so much to see, do and offer? I mean, as the World’s Most Liveable City for 3 years in a row, if Melbourne’s climate was that bad it wouldn’t be anywhere near the top of that list? :)

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BobinOz September 30, 2013 at 2:54 pm

I think Melbourne’s “bad” weather can only be put into context when comparing with the weather elsewhere in Australia. Tasmania excepted, I think it’s fair to say that Melbourne has some of the cooler temperatures of our Australian cities. That said, when I was last there, which was in the summer, it was a beautiful 36°C for most of the time.

But if someone is thinking of moving to Melbourne from, say, the UK, I’m sure they will think Melbourne’s weather is absolutely marvellous. And thank you Kyle for coming in here and defending your city’s weather, I think it’s important that people considering moving to Melbourne from abroad don’t buy in to this bad weather theory when it really isn’t that bad.

On the other hand, I come from Queensland, and I remember going to the footy match between Brisbane and Melbourne where our fans were chanting …

“If you don’t own a coat clap your hands, if you don’t own a coat clap your hands…..”

:-)

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Kyle September 30, 2013 at 6:12 pm

Hehe, you’re definitely right when it’s compared to the rest of Australia :P
I thoroughly enjoy the cool-mild climate hehe.

Hahaha, I love that! I hope the weather wasn’t too bad that day ;)

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UkAussi October 1, 2013 at 12:52 am

I agree with Bob, it very much depends on where you are coming from and what type of weather you like.
My memories from 2 years in Melbourne in the early 70′s aged 8 were wet in winter and hot and sunny in summer and that was in the Parkdale area.
Then spent 4 years in Adelaide and that was hotter in summer (often a week in low 40′s in summer) and rarely wet, except occassional downpour in summer where we would run outside and take a warm shower :-)
I just returned to Oz this June for 2 week vacation and to get a feel for if I wanted to move family to Oz. We only spent 4 days in Melbourne and it was overcast all 4 days and rained for 2. Reminded me very much of the UK in Autumn although not as cold.
Unfortunately, as an expat from the UK living in California for 19 years, and one of the main reasons for leaving the UK was the weather, this was not a great feeling for me and was a negative in the “Melbourne” column on our comparison chart with Sydney. Unfortunately, the weather in Sydney the following 10 days was amazing sunny so this made the comparison more dramatic.
Again, this is just my opinion, although despite the higher housing cost etc of Sydney we are now likely to give Sydney a go 1st once wife’s resident visa comes through and we move to Oz.

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BobinOz October 1, 2013 at 12:52 pm

Kyle, I can’t remember what the weather was like on that day, but I can tell you we have just had the hottest September here in 100 years according to records.

UKAussie, if you want sunshine and hot weather, but prefer not to pay high prices, maybe you should consider Brisbane? Mostly hot and sunny in the summers with occasional storms but autumn is when we get our Californian weather, about three months of (usually) no rain and 75°F. Wonderful!

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UkAussi October 2, 2013 at 12:09 am

Cheers Bob but more bugs (wife hates em) and more humid up in Brisbane. Also more “bikies” :-( and info on Whirlpool and city-data indicated some things “sliding” a bit in the main Brisbane area.

Main reason for Sydney (& Melbourne) is jobs although another (minor) reason for Sydney was that it was closer to Brisbane/Gold Coast for vacations :-)

We are currently (changes monthly) thinking of trying to make Sydney a go but will consider Brisbane also with Melbourne if we find it isn’t working out how we want in Sydney. When in OZ we ca get a lot more info on stuff than all via online. We can also visit Brisbane which I will make a point of doing if we decide not to stay in Sydney.

Looking forward to the updated “moving to Oz” info btw. Really chomping at the bit to get of here and over to OZ to get our new life started ..thx again

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BobinOz October 2, 2013 at 2:06 pm

Brisbane sliding? Oh great, that’s something to look forward to, and bikies are everywhere in Australia, but I still haven’t seen any, maybe I should get out more?

Good luck with your move, hope it works out well, wherever you decide to settle.

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UkAussi October 3, 2013 at 12:25 am

Sorry, as you know it is hard to get accurate info on the internet as people either embelish minor issues into major ones or the opposite. Seeing 1st hand is always the surest way to find out which is why we came over for 2 weeks to get a real “feel” for Melbourne, and somewhat Sydney.

As always, the internet is a great place to start your research, and sites like this one are a great help in that respect, but do not rely on it for life changing decisions :-)

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BobinOz October 3, 2013 at 10:53 pm

I do understand, and I know the news is full of bikie stories, it’s definitely been the “issue of the week”. The information you have read on the Internet is probably quite accurate, but for any of us to have been affected by it, we would literally have had to be there at the time and I never have been.

I’m not saying there isn’t a problem somewhere, I’m just saying that the vast majority of us never see this stuff going on and I can honestly say I don’t ever remember seeing a bunch of bikie’s riding past or gathering in a group anywhere since I’ve been here.

But then many years ago I lived in a little town in England called Billericay and they had a bikie gang, I never saw them either :-)

Bottom line is, I don’t think it’s a consideration when finally deciding where to live in Australia, there are far more important issues to consider.

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Nick Harris February 25, 2014 at 6:15 pm

Here here!!

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Rina October 5, 2013 at 9:07 pm

Greetings! I was wondering if anyone could help me out. I’m moving to Melbourne in January (from Europe) for 1 year, and I’m trying to figure out how to sort out living arrangements before I arrive, is this even possible? I would prefer not to stay at a hostel or hotel as soon as I arrive.. I found websites that offer apartments for up to a month stay which would give me time to sort out to find a proper apartment in the meantime, though I’m not really sure how to go about it all and would appreciate any advice and direction.

Thanks in advance & this website is great, very helpful and get’s me more excited!

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Rina October 5, 2013 at 9:09 pm

removing the apostrophe in ‘get’s', why on earth did I do that?

I forgot to add- if there are any dodgy areas I should stay away from that would be helpful too… though so far I’ve heard nothing but positive things about the city!

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BobinOz October 7, 2013 at 6:51 pm

It may be worth your while checking out a website called stayz, and look for property available to rent on a 30 day or 60 day basis.

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Sally October 7, 2013 at 8:01 am

The dodgy areas in Melbourne I would say are (not in any particular order), St Albans, Sunshine, Deer Park, Noble Park, Dandenong, Resevoir, Preston, Broadmeadows. To a lesser extent are Frankston and Werribee and after midnight the CBD.

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Geraint October 11, 2013 at 9:30 pm

Hello bob
Myself my partner and two daughters are just starting our visa application on a move to Melbourne , so early days!! I’m a qualified plumber and gas engineer and have read some previous posts by nick which have been really helpful, but just wanted to have has much help/info as possible from him if you have some contact info please

Many thanks

Geraint

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BobinOz October 12, 2013 at 5:34 pm

Hi Geraint, Nick has been a reader of my website for some time and he often helps out in the comments, particularly for those looking to move to Melbourne as well as those coming here as a plumber and for that I am very grateful (cheers Nick).

I can’t give you his personal contact details, certainly not without his permission, so I reckon the best way to talk to Nick is directly through the comments here on this website. I’m sure he will respond to you and doing it that way, his comments can help others as well as yourself.

Cheers, Bob

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Geraint October 12, 2013 at 5:56 pm

No worries! Totally understand!! Thanks for getting back to me and love the site, only been looking at it for the last couple of days and it told me more than any other site has by a clear mile. Much appreciated!!!

Cheers Geraint

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BobinOz October 12, 2013 at 7:09 pm

Thanks Geraint :-)

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Nick Harris February 25, 2014 at 6:22 pm

Geraint, it’s Nick here. Let me know your queries and I’ll be pleased to help. I’ve now been through the whole process of getting to be a “Licenced” plumber (similar to being Gas Safe Registered in the UK) and I’ve got loads more info to post than I have posted beforehand, so let me know what’s on your mind!!!

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Nick Harris February 25, 2014 at 6:20 pm

Hi Bob, sorry I’ve been away. I’ve neglected my “duties!!!” I’ve started a new job and it’s full on, plus I’ve been discovering Victoria! I’ve been here, in Melbourne, as an expat now for 2.5 years and I’ve been through quite a bit in trying to get to my goals. As a typical “ex-POM” I’ve still got a fair bit of info to give to all potential migrants, so I’ll keep an eye on Melbourne proceedings and help where I can. Cheers mate!

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BobinOz February 26, 2014 at 12:29 am

Hey Nick, good to hear from you again, I wondered where you had got to. Hope everything is going well, sounds like you’ve been busy.

Good to have you back and I know you will help out wherever you can. Thanks for that. I was down your way the other week, had a great time in St Kilda, it must be one of the coolest suburbs in Australia :-)

Cheers for now, Bob

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Nick February 26, 2014 at 7:04 am

Hey Bob, thanks! It’s good to get a word in again. I’ve given up being self employed as a plumber, for now, as I had a job offer, full time, I couldn’t refuse. But I’m now a fully Licenced Plumber anyways (I passed all my exams!) and I’ve been through the entire process from migration to licensing, so if there’s anyone who wants advice on that subject, or Melbourne then I’m happy to help. Can’t always answer straight away but I’ll try! Cheers.

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BobinOz February 27, 2014 at 6:51 pm

Congrats on the job Nick, hope it works out well. Sometimes working for someone else can be better than chasing around quoting on jobs. Any plumbers who come my way who want to know the ropes, I’ll certainly send them to you.

Cheers, Bob

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Bala October 15, 2013 at 5:46 pm

Hi Bob,

Not sure if this was discussed in any other section and also under which topic to raise this, but thought I will pop up the question and let you decide where and how to cover this. What are all the most commonly reported allergies/ailments/diseases in Australia? Are there any good home remedies for those? I know it is a pretty general question that may give out different answers for different parts of Australia. I could so far gather from your blogs and articles that most ailments are due to insect/reptile bites or bite-related apart from some sporadic instances of dengue spread.

Cheers
Bala

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BobinOz October 16, 2013 at 2:21 pm

We have a few strange viruses here, as you say though it depends on the different parts of Australia. We have a few mosquito related viruses, but not malaria, and we have Hendra virus which is extremely rare, fortunately, as it has a very high morbidity rate, something like 50%. It has to be passed from bats, to horses (and maybe other animals) and then on to humans.

As for allergies, I don’t think we are much different from most countries but you might find out more over at ASCIA, that’s the Australian Society of Clinical Immunology and Allergy.

By and large though, Australia is quite a safe country in this respect.

Cheers, Bob

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Aida October 31, 2013 at 8:18 am

I’ve lived in Melbourne my whole life and have done a lot of travelling around Australia and overseas. The weather is always the factor people bring up when considering Melbourne and I guess maybe you get used to it after a while. I’d much prefer the weather of Perth or Brisbane. When you factor in everything else the city has to offer, it’s Melbourne hands down as a place to live. Perth is also fantastic as a laid back, family oriented place. Plenty of parks and space and not the hustle and bustle of a Sydney or Melbourne. Sydney is fantastic to visit but I just couldn’t live there.
Everybody is different but for me its; 1. Melbourne, 2. Perth, 3. Sydney and the rest fall far behind

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BobinOz October 31, 2013 at 2:28 pm

What you really want is Melbourne with Perth or Brisbane weather :-)

Cheers Aida, thanks for your roundup.

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Mike and Pauline November 2, 2013 at 3:02 pm

Hi there, We are a married couple with two girls (aged 5 & 6), from New Zealand looking at moving to Australia. We are a little uncertain of where to live, and as you have mentioned, we have had both good and negative feedback regarding living in Syd and Melb. But we have had more positive feedback for Melb than Syd. We have a really good amount for a deposit to buy a house, but we know that we have to be living in Aus for a certain time to become eligible to get a home loan. Besides that, we are just really unsure of where to make our move too. Could you please help us in this??

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BobinOz November 3, 2013 at 9:36 pm

Yes, have a read of my page A Quick Guide to Choosing a City in Australia. Be sure to click through on all the links to get all the information. Good luck, Bob

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Ortho King November 13, 2013 at 2:16 pm

I moved to Melbourne from the UK two and a half years ago and while most things are fine the weather is truly appalling!!! Do not move here from the UK if you are after weather, the Winter’s are atrocious!! Proper Winter started here around early June and is still going strong now! I can honestly count on one hand the number of sunny or non-overcast days there have been and in that time we have been on holiday to Fiji, Abu Dhabi and sunny Europe and apparantly while we were away weather was also rain rain rain. We are moving to Sydney next year due to the weather in Melbourne! Restaurants etc all very well but weather is a deal breaker. Also, I need to vent about Melburnian arrogance about coffee… you would think they invented the stuff. It is impossible to order a bloody black coffee here. I have to ask for a “weak long black floated this that and the other” before i get anything that ressembles a bloody Americano or filter coffee. Come on…! small town syndrome…

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george November 13, 2013 at 3:39 pm

What puzzles me is how anyone can say Melbourne has a pleasant climate. Perhaps if you came from Siberia or Outer Mongolia, but truly, be honest. It can be pleasant in the summer, in fact I got to wear shorts every day for three months last summer, but by the end of April that’s it till December. Melbourne gets eight months of winter weather really, with the occasional nice day weeks between. It is cool-cold, overcast or cloudy most of the time. Basically its miserable most the time. Today it is a cold windy wet 12 degrees (mid Nov). As regards where to buy, the outer west is new and cheap, but has transport problems. There is too much traffic and if you dont mind sitting in gridlock for hours each day, well good luck. Melbourne is not aesthetically appealing like other Australian cities, it is quite an ugly city made even uglier by the likes of Docklands and Southbank The local beaches are very ordinary and the suburban sprawl goes on for ever.

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BobinOz November 13, 2013 at 11:59 pm

Hi OK and George

The debate about Melbourne’s climate rages on :-)

Now the interesting thing is me, Mrs Bob and Elizabeth were supposed to be in Melbourne this week for eight days, but we managed to cancel it on account of my wife’s current broken leg situation.

When we booked it though, we thought this would be quite a nice time of the year to go. Then I heard from a couple of sources that Melbourne was currently very cold.

Cold? Cold?? Surely not we thought, it’s been between 25° and 35° here in Brisbane for about the last couple of months. Surely it can’t be cold in Melbourne?

I can’t comment further, I’ve only been to Melbourne once for three days. For a couple of them it was really hot, about 35° or so, and then for the third day it was 16°?? We couldn’t believe it.

How can you go from 35° one day (I’m talking January) to 16° the next? Apparently it’s something Melbourne is good at.

Anyway, we have postponed our holiday until January, I’m hoping for temperatures closer to 35 than 16° when we get there. Any chance?

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Vaughan December 13, 2013 at 9:12 am

It’s about as good a chance as me winning the lottery it seems to get a constant nice streak of hot weather unless we are in a heat wave. Last year it was really nice for a few weeks solid but only because we had a heat wave which I loved, but this year was suppose to be hotter but from what I’ve experienced so far its FAR FAR colder, the only person not complaining that I know of are people that have lived here all their life’s and know no different or my mate from the very south island of NZ who moved here. As I said in another comment I can’t wait to get out of here.

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BobinOz December 13, 2013 at 3:03 pm

Sounds like my ‘summer’ holiday in Melbourne may turn out to be more like a winter break for me; I’m used to the heat of Brisbane. Looks like I’ll have to pack some socks a jumper!

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Nick Harris February 25, 2014 at 6:29 pm

Ortho King, how in the hell can you say to someone from the UK NOT to move to Melbourne if they are after the weather?!!! Obviously if you want heat ALL year round then that may be true, but don’t forget in the UK, we suffered winter nights down to -15 degrees. Now that’s cold. The coldest I’ve recorded in the Eastern Suburbs is about 3 degrees and it rises quickly in the daytime, in the winter up to 18. I lived in the South of France and in the winters there, the climate was very, very similar to here. For a POM, that’s bloody summer!!!!!! As for a black coffee mate, just ask, it ain’t that difficult!!! Every Aussie Melburnian I’ve met is more than happy to help in whatever trade they work in.

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george November 17, 2013 at 8:06 pm

Yes that’s right, you never know what to expect. Usually when it gets that hot there is a cool change the same day and it will drop to 16c within the hour! followed by icy gail force winds, torrential rain even hail. What usually follows is several days of cool, cloudy weather. Bizarre but true.

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BobinOz November 18, 2013 at 4:41 pm

How on earth can you plan a visit to the beach? Truly weird.

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Vaughan December 13, 2013 at 9:15 am

You don’t lol, the beaches here are terrible in Melbourne unless you travel way out near Geelong or south of Geelong near Bells etc anyways. I went to the beach (Bells and another) water temp was still freezing and this is summer…. also by the time we got back (1.5 hours there and 1.5 back) huge clouds and started raining anyways. I know the last part can happen anywhere, just happens a lot more frequently here, among the other drastic weather temp changes not just rain.

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BobinOz December 13, 2013 at 3:05 pm

So, when planning a day at the beach, it’s a case of pack swimsuit, towels, beach chairs, bucket and spade, sunglasses, and a coat in case the weather turns :-)

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Vaughan December 13, 2013 at 3:52 pm

Pretty much lol, I only moved down here for work, then the director split with the company and I got made redundant shortly after, really hard time finding work done here in IT, must of applied for around 50 jobs, applied for a few in Sydney already got an interview, so fingers crossed I’ll be out of here soon. Ultimately I would love to move to Brisbane, like you I love the hot weather and am use to it so Melbourne is really killing me with the lack of sunshine making me fairly depressed also.

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UKAussi December 13, 2013 at 4:01 pm

I work IT and that and weather is why we chose Sydney to move to when wife’s resident visa comes through

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Vaughan December 13, 2013 at 4:24 pm

Ah nice my partner just got hers :)

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Nick Harris February 25, 2014 at 6:31 pm

Vaughn, the beaches on Mornington Peninsula are very good. Sorrento is particularly a very nice beach mate, don’t you agree?!! :)

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george December 13, 2013 at 6:30 pm

Melbourne is definately a cold, cloudy bleak place for most of the year. The sky is grey and overcast most of the time. If its warm and sunny, tomorrow will be cold and grey and the next week will be the same. I don’t think it has hit 30 c yet.
Finding work is very hard here. If you really want to live here, prepare for a long period of unemployment or take on a lower paid, lower skilled job. Don’t believe unemployment is 5.something %, its close to 15%. Go west, go north, you will hate it here, unless you’re in your 20s and single and career driven.
Brits don’t settle here. Then why would they? Migrants to Melbourne now are flooding in from China, India, Sri Lanka, East Africa and the Middle East and have become a very large and noticeable part of the population here and many suburbs have been completely overrun by these ethnic groups. A select secondary college in a middle class suburb called Glen Waverley in the middle east of Melbourne has a Chinese, Indian/ Sri Lankan majority of students of about 90%. Spot the Aussie.
Weather, awful. Employment, lousy, living in Melbourne, really crap.

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Jay February 21, 2014 at 11:31 am

Hi George

I agree with your points about the weather and finding work in melbourne.

But your comments on migrants is almost bordering on racism. I think we should celebrate the fact that Australia has been built on continuous stream of migrants – beginning with the British, then other Europeans, and then now Chinese and Indians.

All of this adds to the cultural diversity of this nation which should be celebrated.

Weather, awful. Employment, lousy, The diverse people of Melbourne – GREAT!!

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Vaughan December 13, 2013 at 8:11 pm

This is true, this is also the case for Sydney though (as I was born and raised there) although Melbourne is worse for it, all our capital cities are becoming like this unfortunately, it seems Australia doesn’t know when to stop immigration and just keeps it open and soon we wont be recognized in our own country. It’s really stupid when you cant find jobs to still have people coming in. Not to mention all overseas people buying up all the land / real estate so we don’t even own anything in our country anymore, then we have to rent it off them. Try that in their country’s, you CANNOT buy there only rent, we should have the same policy…. seems everything is for sale in this country, even the government.

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OPAL December 14, 2013 at 7:46 am

I’ve been in Melbourne almost 6 months now and like everyone has said, the weather is really crappy. We went from a high of 32 one day to a low of 11 two days later. It’s now the middle of December and still no sign of summer. I didn’t come for the weather though so am a little more tolerant. Melbourne is a vibrant city with tons to do on any given day. Frankly, I love it here.

I did come for job opportunities however, but 6 months later this qualified experienced accountant has only landed one interview. Am I reevaluating my move Down Under? Certainly! You can only live off your savings for so long. Like I’ve said before, prospective migrants should really try to land a job before arriving because the market is very tight and the lack of Aussie experience will do you in.

Opal

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Vaughan December 16, 2013 at 12:39 am

That’s pretty much what I’m doing right now, I moved down here, I’ve been in IT for a long time so don’t lack experience, 40 – 50 applications, not one interview, the only interview I got was from interstate…. I only moved down here from a job that lasted 12 months then got made redundant…. only good thing about this place is the people, they DO seem genuinely nicer to be honest than say Sydney, mostly because I think people are just too busy with their own lives / work to even care or bother with anyone else, it’s not that they are UNFRIENDLY there (as I grew up there and love Sydney) but they are genuinely nicer here in Melbourne (from my personal experience anyways) is about the only good thing they have going for it. That and the housing and rental prices are a lot cheaper here…. and roads are tonns better.

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Bublik December 29, 2013 at 8:58 pm

Lived here for 21 years and I would say Melbourne and Victoria in general is one of the best in the world in relations to nature and outdoors, job opportunities and multiculturalism. Yes the whether is terrible (currently sick as naturally your body goes into shock going from 36-16 degrees in matter of 40 minutes), there are also an unusually high number of people with asthma and really bad pollen allergies. In real fact every big city has its pluses and downfalls, and bad whether is just one of those downfalls for Melbourne. I am sure I can find many more…..but as they say, always look at the bright side.

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BobinOz January 1, 2014 at 11:02 pm

Sounds like a thumbs up for Melbourne despite the weather, thanks Bublik.

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Vaughan January 2, 2014 at 10:43 am

I wouldnt’ say that lol

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BobinOz January 5, 2014 at 9:02 pm

From Bublik’s point of view I think it is Vaughan, but I’m pretty sure it’s not yours :-)

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Marcus January 5, 2014 at 9:05 pm

I moved to Melbourne because its my favourite city in Australia. Its true about the weather, it changes dramatically even within a day. It is the most unpredictable and dynamic weather I’ve ever experienced, but it is rarely dangerous. Melbourne people are used to this kind of weather so it doesn’t dampen their spirits. People still continue doing what they are doing. Also, it doesn’t get as hot as other parts of Australia and its winter is not as cold either. Canberra gets a lot colder than Melbourne does. People from Europe or North America wouldn’t find it cold at all in winter.

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Ausbloke January 5, 2014 at 9:39 pm

I moved to Melbourne also, (use to live in Sydney and Port Macquarie) it has the most dreadful weather and the city is ugly and depressing and everywhere along the train tracks it seems turns into a dreadful dump of a place, becoming run down and full of graffiti. The people are nice (most) but it seems there are actually more stabbings in Melbourne than Sydney with Sydney having more people? I guess its what happens when there are more ethnic people getting together than any other City and you feel like you are a minority in your own country unless you live in a rich part of Melbourne…. (kind of like Sydney)

As for not getting Cold, not sure what world you are living in, it seems 9 – 10 months of the year is Winter and 2 months are summer here in Melbourne. Even other Melbourne people I’ve lived here all their lives say the same thing. Some wish it would get colder (like snow cause its borderline that cold anyways just doesn’t happen) then get warmer instead of slightly colder in Winter and just slightly warmer winter the other 6 – 7 months. There is barely any noticeable change. I’ve been wearing winter clothes for 10 months of the year or more, I’m wearing them right now and its summer….

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Mohammad Nabil Al Sati January 5, 2014 at 11:39 pm

Hi Bob :
We are relocating to Australia very soon , as I told you before Melbourne will be our family choice finally , but as every body posted before in this page we are also terribly confused about the most convenient aria in Melbourne , friend of my wife advised us to relocate to Coburg because we are Mediterranean and we may find a lot of interesting Lebanese restaurants and it maybe more easier to us to settle there but what about schooling there I have one daughter in elementary school and three boys looking for doing there master degree in some not far universities .
Is it the right choice subject to my kids and is it a safe nice aria for shopping and living
Your feed back is highly appreciated .
Tks.
Nabil .

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Marcus January 6, 2014 at 12:13 am

Your description about Coburg is correct. There are a lot of great Middle Eastern and Mediterranean restaurants there, especially on Sydney Road. A lot of Middle Eastern people live there and they are hard working and friendly people. Coburg is inner-city so its very easy to get to other parts of Melbourne via public transport from there. Inner-city suburbs are convenient and cool to live in (more shops, restaurants, bars, festivals, etc..), but they are more crowded, traffic congestion and hard to find parking (if you have friends visiting), have older houses and more expensive to buy or rent a house. They also have more crime because there are more unemployed people and junkies in those areas. There is no “best” suburb in Melbourne. Each place has a different culture and vibe. Check out this website. It will give you an honest view of what each suburb is like and the kind of people that hang out there http://www.cityhobo.com/cities/melbourne

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Adrian January 16, 2014 at 10:27 am

Not sure about crime being higher in inner suburbs. Outer northwest and west suburbs (Broadmeadows, Sunshine etc) have a reputation of having a higher crime rate.

Other than that, what you say about Coburg is correct. Coburg is multicultural and historically ‘blue-collar’ but due to the location (just north of trendy Brunswick) is becoming increasingly popular and real estate price have risen quite a bit as a result. One of the down sides in my opinion is the lack of public high schools – I think it only has one and that is restricted to Year 10 -12 (maybe someone can correct me on this).

One thing I would like to say about the weather is that it needs to be put into perspective. What is cold? hot? without a reference, saying the weather is too cold is useless.

Some posters here have been making an example of unseasonable weather giving the readers the impression that it is typical for that time of year. While it can happen, don’t expect 13 degrees in November. Expect 20-30. Check weather sites for more accurate information.
Melbourne weather is erratic but it is still fairly mild. 10-15 degrees in winter is not that bad for people that are used to snow. The weather starts to cool down end of April as you start getting 17-18 degree days before the 13-16 degree winter days. Windy days and drizzle make things seem worse but you do still get sunny and relatively warm days late Autumn and throughout Winter. Early spring is usually fairly wet and this keeps the temperature down. Late September and October, the temperatures pick up to maybe high teens on average. It is still quite changeable as the season changes. By mid November temperatures have warmed up as summer approaches. Summer is where things get interesting. Generally between 22-32, it can be higher, it can be lower. For those of you complaining about cold weather, try this week – 34,41,39,44, 42. Anyone for tennis? In summary, its all relative but generally, Melbourne weather is lot like the people: Varies a lot but generally easy going.

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Mohammad Nabil Al Sati January 7, 2014 at 2:43 pm

Hello Marcus :
Thank you for your feedback , I will study your said website , it looks good may help me to find a place of more green and peaceful for comfortable living with also best public schools too for my little daughter and also close to the universities where my other three children likes to have there master degrees .
Thank you my friend .

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Adrian January 16, 2014 at 10:33 am

Coburg is probably about a 15-20 train trip to the CBD where you can find Melbourne University (the most prestigious one in Melbourne) and RMIT. As Coburg is in the north, LaTrobe uni isn’t too far away – a bus trip I’m guessing.
Monash University is in the south east so that wouldn’t be all that convenient. Swinburne is in inner east which is still do-able in my opinion.

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Andy January 16, 2014 at 12:33 pm

Thank you Adrian for a comment that puts the weather in Melbourne in perspective at last! Melbourne is an amazing city – I love it. Best move I ever made coming here.

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nancy January 19, 2014 at 7:28 am

Hi there, i am checking posibilities to move to melbourne, I not care about cold weather, the only is i dont like humidity cities, i have a curly hair but i love straightening my hair, do you think if this is possible? haha

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Adrian January 20, 2014 at 11:55 am

Melbourne/Adelaide/Perth are not typically humid. The heat is fairly dry. Melbourne can have some humid days in summer but its not too bad. Sydney is a bit more humid and you certainly won’t want to go further north.

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jack boakes January 20, 2014 at 3:58 am

Hi, im moving to Melbourne in march. Im 24 and will be living on a lower budget. I was wondering where the most suitable areas were to live? Ideally an area with people my sort of age and good music/night life? thanks

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Adrian January 20, 2014 at 12:32 pm

Hi Jack,

In terms of nightlife, the best places are the CBD and inner suburbs such as Prahran/Toorak area and Fitzroy/Brunswick. Of those, I’d say Brunswick would be the cheapest. You could find plenty of 1 bedroom apartments or share accommodation around there and there are plenty of people in your age bracket. Having said that, as it’s trendy and inner city, it’s cheaper still to live in the outer suburbs. However, the outer suburbs don’t have the bars/nightlife. Its a trade-off.

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Mohammad Nabil Al Sati January 20, 2014 at 5:32 pm

Thank you Adrian & Andy , your comments are highly appreciated and very helpful to me and also all readers too , I am exactly with Nancy i do not like humidity cities it make me sick but what I can say by now things are different between us , I mean I am a ! ! Mediterranean Melbourne has excellent weather to me but if you know that I am living in Golf Arab aria and temperatures average in summer day times 46 and evenings no less than 35 . . humanity all the time over 90% . . then Melbourne is paradise , while somebody like Bob came from UK he might feel that Australia is hot ! !
Any way we should take all things together not only weather , we have to consider the kind of life we are looking for and think about families requirements like schooling & shopping and also the arias neighborhood .
Thank you all .

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Paul January 28, 2014 at 8:51 pm

I was thinking moving closer my brother but cant handle heat
I would like be closer best mates and family
So got best mates Yarraville Melbourne and Cousins Mentone Melbourne and Cousins Ocean Grove and Cousins Ararat Victoria and Bendigo Victoria and Ballarat Victoria and Maryborough Victoria Uncle and Aunty Ararat Ballarat Maryborough
I would like play lawn bowls Ballarat and Golf Ballarat and Melbourne
I would love goto football tennis golf bowls concerts shopping cafe and alot more if live Melbourne and catch taxi if have alot drinks when goto best mates

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Satinder Singh February 5, 2014 at 5:20 pm

Hi Bob!!

I am planning to migrate to melbourne as a skilled worker. I will be looking for job in software industry after I land there. Please suggest me the areas to rent out which are affordable, safe,gives easy access to public transport and not more than 40 minutes away from related work area.

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BobinOz February 5, 2014 at 6:19 pm

I can’t, I don’t know Melbourne well enough. I shouldn’t think anyone from Melbourne could help you either until you know exactly where your work area will be.

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Adrian February 6, 2014 at 3:44 pm

Bob’s correct. Maybe tell us your budget to give us something to go by (house? apartment?). You could get a job almost anywhere in Melbourne in that industry (geographically), though its more likely it’d be in the CBD as thats where most of the businesses are. There are many suburbs that would be within 40 minutes of the CBD. Good public transport and safety are a bit subjective. Let us know when you have more details. If you’re renting, you can always move later on.

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bianca February 26, 2014 at 3:53 pm

hi. im a single mum of 4 kids and wanting to move from auckland to melbourne. any suggestions on how difficult it would be to find work there? how much money would you initially need to survive until i can find work.the commonwealth bank has asked me to contact them regarding a job but it was for part time work.i work in a bank as my night job and work as a receptionist/office manager as my day job. i have a diploma in hr and did community counselling. i have family in melbourne but dont want to impose too much on them..would i be able to get help with childcare costs or family tax credits on a nz passport. i dont have PR. is chadstone a nice area?pls help as I have no family in auckland and would like to be close to my family in melbourne. would i be able to survive as a single parent to 4 kids in melbourne?

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BobinOz February 27, 2014 at 7:16 pm

I can’t answer your more specific questions, but I do recommend you read my post New Zealanders in Australia: What’s the Problem?

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bianca February 28, 2014 at 9:52 am

Hi. thanks for that.

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Bob April 17, 2014 at 10:38 am

I’m from Perth – Melbourne is dramatically colder than other states, which is probably why fashion is a stronger thing there as they actually need heavier clothes. Perth is far more beautiful geographically, think open ocean, white sand /sandstone continental shelf and huge stunning river. But unless you like water based activities and a lot of very hot sunshine Perth is not for you. It is a small city with the focus firmly outside the CBD on homes and personal recreation, and can be quite isolating in sense that you don’t just meet people as in larger cities. Melbourne is far more city orientated place, some people dressing up more and greater sense of the self conscious. That said, beware once out in the deep suburbs you will have no sense of that.

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BobinOz April 17, 2014 at 2:50 pm

Good comparison of the two, thank you Bob.

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