Australian Visas and Expression Of Interest (EOI): Caution!

by BobinOz on July 2, 2012

in Moving To Australia

On 1 July 2012 Expression of Interest or EOI came into play and the very next day, on 2 July 2012 I wrote this post about it. This post is still relevant today and from time to time I do update the information where necessary. The last update took place 4 July 2014.

Every year the Department of Immigration & Border Control (DIBP) reviews and revises the visa application process. They look at the jobs on the skills list, how the points are allocated and the whole process of making the visa application.

Then they tweak it all and come up with some new rules and procedures and announce them, usually, on July 1.

Expression of Interest or EOI

Here’s the process step-by-step, I’ll explain each stage in a minute:

Skills Select

  • Expression of Interest
  • Getting picked from the pool

Expression of Interest

Skilled applicants will be able to go online and enter their own EOI. The information they will be required to input will be quite thorough, equivalent to the six pages worth of information required to complete a Visa Assessment here on BobinOz.

Getting picked from the pool

Technically, you could get picked out of the pool by any one of Australia’s states or territories who require your skills, or any employer, or even DIBP themselves. You will get an invitation if you are nominated by the states or territories or if your occupation is on the SOL and you meet the qualification criteria you will receive an invitation directly from SkillSelect. You can still find your own sponsor and it is probably advisable to continue looking for one as nobody is really sure just how many states or employers will be scanning this system for people.

Once you are selected or have found your own sponsor, you move to the next stage.

Visa Application:

  • Pay the Visa Application Charge (VAC)
  • Your information is then verified
  • Fast track to Australia

So, what happens at each stage? It’s all still a bit daunting, and in places there is still uncertainty, but this is how we think it works.

Once you have been invited – by either Skillselect for an independent visa or invited on the basis of a state or territory nomination, you move to the next stage.

You have 60 days in which to apply after being selected. The great thing about this process is it is fast!

Pay Visa Application Charge (VAC)

Of course, your visa application will have a fee involved, payable to the Australian Government. You will be required to pay this fee with your application.

Your information is then verified

Remember that EOI you completed online a while back? I hope you didn’t tell any little white lies on it. I remember going for a job interview when I was about 18 years of age. Of course, I had a CV prepared. I never much liked the section called “Hobbies and Interests”, at the time mine were going to the pub, getting drunk and partying.

That’s not what a prospective employer wants to see, is it?

So I put sport and photography.

The interview went well, but right at the end, the interviewer said “So, what camera do you use?”

I looked at him in utter bewilderment; I’d forgotten my own hobbies. He reminded me of what I’d put on my CV and asked again what camera I used.

“It’s just a normal camera.” I said weakly.

Yes, many of us can tell little white lies to get that job on occasions.

DON’T DO IT!!

Not on an EOI. I will explain why under the pitfalls below.

Fast track to Australia

Yay! If all goes well, you will be in Australia in no time. But what about…

The pitfalls!

Caution!

When you complete your EOI online, there are no checkpoints in it. If you want to put yourself down as a brain surgeon with 15 years experience, you can. You can create a profile with 100 points if you want.

The system will accept it and place you in a queue.

Obviously, nobody in their right mind would do that, but maybe you’d be tempted to say you have four years experience when you have just over three? Or to say you have a qualification when you are still waiting for the result of that exam?

No, you wouldn’t do that, would you?

How about this then? There is a tick box somewhere along the line asking if you have had your skill assessed by the relevant authority. Maybe you are in the process of doing that, maybe you are thinking of doing it, maybe you tick yes.

Maybe you enter any kind of information into this document that isn’t quite correct. What happens?

If you enter incorrect information:

  • You are automatically refused when the discrepancy comes to light.
  • You will lose your Visa Application Charge fee.
  • You could possibly be banned from reapplying for three years.

The Australian government have a great migration blog to help you, I suggest that in particular you read their post called Busting the myths about SkillSelect for more information.

The EOI that you complete online is a legal document, please complete it with 100% accuracy, or you could be very sorry indeed.

As I have said already, you can enter the information for your EOI yourself. At this stage, it appears that non-MARA registered migration agents can also charge you a fee to help you with this process.

“Yah, I’m an expert EOI form filler, here’s my card :-). I can fill it in properly for you for just $300!”

Kerching!

If you do not want to fill in this form yourself, and you do want help, I strongly suggest that you use only a professional MARA registered migration agent or a qualified lawyer. It’s a legal document and great care has to be taken when completing it.

There are other pitfalls as well.

Let’s suppose there are 40,000 skilled jobs required in Australia for 2012 to 2013. Let’s say, for example, that 500 of those jobs are for accountants.

When those 500 accountants have been accepted through the whole process, no more accountants will be needed. But that information is not made public anywhere, accountants can still enter their EOI.

Some good news

It’s not all bad news, here are some little snippets of good news.

  • The points target has now been reduced to 60.
  • Students studying here who successfully gain a bachelor’s or Masters degree Ph.D. will automatically qualify for an 18 month working visa on completion.
  • Students will also qualify for an additional five points for studying here for a minimum of two years.
  • The new system is geared more towards a faster acceptance of those looking to get a 457 visa.

The downside

It will now be slightly harder for those who are hoping to come here directly on a Permanent Residency visa as preference will be given to those with sponsorships.

There is more, much more. But I think that’s enough for now.

Visit: SkillSelect for more details and to submit your EOI.

Comments: Please read…

Since this post went live on July 2, 2012 it has attracted a huge amount of interest and, at the time of writing this, 370 odd comments.

It is obvious that this process, Expression of Interest, is hugely confusing and many of you are having problems with it. Almost all of the comments below are questions about this process.

I would need to be a MARA registered migration agent to know the answers to these questions and I’m not. The above article was written after I had spoken at length to a professional MARA agent, for any of you who have read the article, you probably now know as much about EOI as I do.

I am keeping comments open on this post, but I will not be able to answer any questions. Hopefully somebody else who does know might pop by with an answer, but I would also suggest that you do have a quick look at all the comments that have already been made as your question may have already been covered.

Good luck to you all,

Bob

PS. The notices below, in a way, repeat what I’ve just said above but they also fully clarify my situation when it comes to comments.

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ANU February 8, 2016 at 5:16 pm

Hi.
can anyone advise me how long time 489 visa with South Australia state sponsor takes to be granted. i applied to DIAC on mid October’15. All docs including PCC, Medical submitted on 7th December’15. Still waiting to hear from them??????

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Piyush Singh February 9, 2016 at 12:33 am

Hi Anu,
Duration varies from case to case basis, but after submission of all documents DIAC usually grants the visa 489 within 2 months or longer in some cases.

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Amir February 7, 2016 at 1:15 pm

Hi
I have a query regarding my 189 eoi which was acceptd on 3rd feb on 60 points, as i claimd age points for undr 33 but i will turn 33 on 10 feb, will it effect if i apply visa aftr 10 feb or not?

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Varun February 8, 2016 at 1:09 am

Hi Amir,
I would like to know when did u submit your EOI and which anzo code?

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Piyush Singh February 9, 2016 at 12:28 am

Hi Amir,
Please let us know about this. Even before or after 10th Feb, it will depend on the discretion of Case officer and Migration authority only.

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Mitesh February 4, 2016 at 7:42 pm

My case officer has assigned for 190 visa subclass. Now, by mistake my previous company has included last company’s employment duration and now CO has asked for clarification. I am wondering that can i make any change in employment after CO assigned without reducing point?

Please advice.

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Piyush Singh February 9, 2016 at 12:30 am

Hi Mitesh,
Its better to explain the whole scenario to the CO and let him decide whether he will reduce the points or how he will process your application.

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jay February 3, 2016 at 11:08 pm

Hi! i just submitted an application for 190 visa but my EOI is expiring. How will this affect my application?

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Piyush Singh February 4, 2016 at 5:52 pm

Hi Jay,
Once your application will be received from the migration authority they will suspend/freeze your EOI so you won’t be able to make any further changes.
During this process even if it will cross the expiry date, it won’t affect your 190 visa application.

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Ahmed February 3, 2016 at 5:03 am

Hi i just want to ask that i received an NSW invitation for nomibation on 65+5 points on 30th Jan, which i submitted on next day now waiting for invitation

Today 3rd feb i also receives invitation from skill select on 65 points for 189 class, for same EOI.

My sol category is 2611

My question is if i want to get PR ASAP (Max May 2016 End), then i should apply visa under which category 189 or 190. Which is faster.

Thanks

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Piyush Singh February 3, 2016 at 12:21 pm

Hi Ahmed,
Probably through 190 class you will get the PR faster than compare to 189 class but always keep in mind that 190 class will provide you mobility within NSW only for the initial 2 years whereas 189 class has no boundaries.

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Ahmed February 3, 2016 at 2:58 pm

Getting the Visa Grant in my case till May End, what are chances with 189 or 190, provided i have med n pcc

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Piyush Singh February 4, 2016 at 4:32 pm

Hi Ahmed,
I think you can get both the visa within this timeframe.

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beedangsb January 31, 2016 at 5:22 pm

Hello Piyush,
If I have worked 1 year after bachelors.Joined 2-years masters(evening) after that along with working during masters.Will I get 5 points for 3-years of work experience?
(All work and education overseas)

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Piyush Singh January 31, 2016 at 5:31 pm

Hi beedangsb,
It all depends on the assessment authority that how they will assess and calculate your education and work experience, So you would be knowing about the 5 points only when you will be done with the skill assessment.
So I would recommend you to have skill assessment first.

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Ravi January 30, 2016 at 8:37 am

I had submitted EOI under 190 for NSW in Oct 2015…this morning I got an invitation to apply for NSW…submitted my Docs and made the payment today…however my biggest worry is they take 12 weeks…and I am 38…in August I will turn 39…in mail they said do not send mail as it can delay the process…only contact if you will soon loose points on age. I am 38 and in August will turn 39…so will I loose points as soon as I turn 39 or I have time till 40….if it is 39, when should I contact NSW to expedite the process…please help me….I am worried about loosing points on age…I am at 55 points and 5 points for 190. If it is positive from NSW then it will get stuck at DBIP and not sure what will happen after that

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Piyush Singh January 30, 2016 at 9:37 am

Hi Ravi,
Usually under subclass 190, PR is being granted within 3-4 months.
You still have 6 months to reach August and I am sure you will get your PR before that possibly.

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Ravi January 30, 2016 at 2:49 pm

Hi Piyush….my bad…I meant I got invitation to apply for NSW…I applied for the same. Now NSW will take time to finalize it and they say 12 weeks is the processing time….not sure…If the result is positive then I will get an invite from DBIP and I suppose they will take their time….I always thought 33-39 means till the time I hit 40. However, wanted to check should I get in touch with NSW and update them now or wait for a month or 2.

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Piyush Singh January 30, 2016 at 8:04 pm

Hi Ravi,
I got your point, but NSW state must be knowing about all this information
based on your application for subclass 190.
Still 6 month is a long way and you can easily get a PR within this period.
Moreover if you like to raise this concern to the respective state you can do so.

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Varun January 31, 2016 at 1:46 pm

Hi Piyush,

Hope your doing well. Just wanted to know couple of things.
1. How long would you think it would take if I apply for an EOI subclass 190 , code 261313 , 65 points.
2. Already I have applied an EOI for the189 subclass with 60 points for same code. If I apply a new EOI with 190 subclass, would the 189 EOI get inactive? Or it would remain active along with 190 one. How is it processed?
3. My ACS is expiring on March 20th’16, does this mean I should get an invite before this and I should have completed submitting all my documents for that invitation before this expiry date? Or it’s considered for EOI SUBMISSION and one I should submit my EOI Before this expiry date?

Regards
Varun

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Varun January 31, 2016 at 1:48 pm

The first point, am referring to NSW state sponsorship. Apologies, I missed to mention above.

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Piyush Singh January 31, 2016 at 2:34 pm

Hi Varun,
Here are your answers point wise:-
1. I think it should be picked for an invite in the next round with these points.
2. You can submit as many as EOI you want with different or same code for different or same subclass visa, it wont impact your existing EOIs.
3. In my opinion you should check this with ACS authority that till when the assessment is valid and how it will be related to EOI.

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Ashok Kumar January 27, 2016 at 11:12 pm

Hi Piyush,

I Would like to know that when I would be invited for the below classes.I have mentioned the date of effect.

Fyi – I have submitted the EOI on 20-Jun-2015.

1.Skilled – Nominated (Subclass 190) (Permanent) – 20-Jun-2016
2.Skilled – Regional (Subclass 489) (Provisional) – Family Sponsored on 15-Dec-15.
3.Skilled – Regional (Subclass 489) (Provisional) – State and Territory Nominated on 13-Oct-2015.

My total points are 55+5 for Permanent(190) and 55+10=65 for Regional.

Is there any possibility for me to get Family Sponsor in Feb Month or near future.

Please advice.

Regards,
Ashok.

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Piyush Singh January 28, 2016 at 2:00 am

Hi Ashok,
As per the current trend below are the minimum cutoff to get an invite:-
1.Skilled – Nominated (Subclass 190) (Permanent) – 60 points.
2.Skilled – Regional (Subclass 489) (Provisional) – 70 points.
3.Skilled – Regional (Subclass 489) (Provisional) – 70 points.

One more point I would like to highlight here, invitation for Subclass 489 is quite low like less than 3% of Subclass 189, So if in month of January there were total invite of 2400 subclass 189 then only 5 for Subclass 489.
This is the accurate data from Department of Immigration.

So you can imagine that probably it will take some time to get an invite for lower points.

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Big Al January 30, 2016 at 4:15 am

I am just about to lodge my 489 expression of interest next week ,problem is I turn 40 on the 4th April and my agent has now told me I might be to late and I will loss 10 points and I’d have to go and sit the ielts which would totally defeat the purpose of going for a regional visa.Cam any one tell me how long It can take to get a invite.👀

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Piyush Singh January 30, 2016 at 9:42 am

Hi Big Al,
Ideally this period of 2 month seems shorter for processing of Subclass 489.
Getting an Invite solely depends on the migration authority, if there will be some delay in invite then you have no choice other than taking the IELTS test.
I would say better to prepare for that case as well in advance.

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Wasiu shonde January 27, 2016 at 4:49 am

Employer want to sponsor me for subclass 489 in glazier 333111 .in tesmania whot document can i ask him to send too me sir…..

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BobinOz January 27, 2016 at 4:11 pm

If an employer is in the position to sponsor you, they should know the procedure and be able to guide you with regards what to do.

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Wasiu shonde January 27, 2016 at 1:59 am

HELLO SIR MY NAME IS WASIU JOSEPH SHONDE AM 42 YEARS OLD MARRIED. AM A NIGERIAN CITIZEN AM A PROFESSION GLAZIER I HAVE 15 YEARS WORKING EXPERIENCE IN GLAZING INDUSTRY IN NIGERIA. LAST WEEK ONE COMPANY IN HOBERT TESMANIA AUSTRALIA SEE MY C,V FROM ONE JOBS SITE IN AUSTRALIA, AND THEY DEVELOP INTREST ON ME. THEY WANT TO SPONSOR ME FOR SUBCLASS 489 AND THEY TOLD ME THEY WILL PAID ME 41000 PER YEAR. PLEASE CAN YOU PUT ME TRUE HOW TO DO IT THANKS…

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Piyush Singh January 27, 2016 at 2:46 am

Hi Wasiu,
Kindly go through the below link, it will give you all details regarding this Skilled Regional (Provisional) visa (subclass 489).
Link: https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Visa-1/489-

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stari January 26, 2016 at 5:58 pm

hi. i applied for state nomination and was approved. my relationship status at that time was de facto. for the question if i will include my partner in future visa application, my answer was no. now, my question is: can i change my relationship status to single when i lodge my eoi? or do i need to update the state who nominated me that my relatioship status has changed from de facto to single before i lodge my visa? thanks. your reply is much appreciated.

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Piyush Singh January 26, 2016 at 7:13 pm

Hi Stari,
It would be better to touch base with the contact person for state sponshorship and let him/her know about your current relationship changes and they will definitely let you know about the appropriate process to change the relationship status in EOI or wherever it is required.
As far as I know you can include and exclude anyone from your application before making the fee payment, provided you should notify the migration officials about it as early as possible.

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Faizaan January 25, 2016 at 8:08 pm

Hi piyush,

I want to know that I Lodged EOI for NSW 190 visa on 9 Nov-15 and haven’t get reply yet. My total points are 55+5 from state sponsorship. I have total 3 yrs of working experience in electrical engineering field and done assessment from Engineers Australia. I got positive outcome for complete 3 yrs. But the problem is that I did not claim 5 points of experience in EOI because my mentor said you have initial 1 yr work as graduate engineer trainee so there may be chances your case office did not considered in later period. So go with safe side and instead of applying for 189 independent visa,apply for 190 visa by claiming 5 points from State. Please tell me whats are the other options because its more than 2 month EOI reply did not come.

My PTE score was L-71 R-76 W-76 S-81

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Piyush Singh January 26, 2016 at 1:28 am

Hi Faizaan,
Frankly speaking at this moment expecting a visa 190 subclass invite on 60 points is not a wise option.
I would say better to update your EOI and claim extra 5 points when you already have it assessed by engineers Australia.
Moreover I didn’t get one point here that once you already got a positive assessment of 3 years from relative authority then why someone has told you not to claim 5 points for that?

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Faizaan Ahmed January 26, 2016 at 7:47 pm

Hello piyush,

Actually I have the same dout but my agent said Engineer Australia just check related work experience in respective field but points claim solely depend on Visa case officer. He can raise query on this. I appointed as Granduate trainee and initially company mention in appointment letter that they will give stipend xxx and from second year company appointed as Engineer. So my agent have dout on this stipend.
I also one query that what are the other options for me piyush. Please suggest me some solution.

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Piyush Singh January 26, 2016 at 8:11 pm

Hi Faizaan,
In my opinion if Engineers Australia has granted you 3 years of valid work experience in the assessment,irrespective of your Job profile you had during those 3 years then it simply means you can claim the 5 points for the same.
Why would the case officer will object on the decision making of Engineers Australia?
If you doesn’t want to claim 5 points for your experience then only one option is left with you is to wait until states will start entertaining people with 60 points for the state nominations and then will send an invite for the same to you.

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Faizaan January 26, 2016 at 8:38 pm

Hello piyush,

I would simple thinking the same but agent wrote in my EOI form that from
xx/xx/xx to xx worked as graduate trainee and from the very next date xx/xx/xx to xx worked as shift engineer. So I want to know that we can merge this into single work exp of 3 yrs and can claim 5 points.
Secondly my agent said if they raise query you can lost your visa fee,this made me think conservatively because visa fees is a big amount.And please tell me when NSW state send invites for 60 pointers if you have any idea.

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Piyush Singh January 26, 2016 at 9:02 pm

Hi Faizaan,
I don’t understand one thing here, if you have already received the skilled assessment for 3 years from engineers Australia which clearly accumulate 5 points for work experience then why your agent has mentioned such details in EOI.
Moreover we usually receive our skilled assessment and then we calculate the total points and then submit the EOI. So in this way if we have received a positive skill assessment for xx years then ideally we can claim points accordingly.
For example if we will see your case then you were a graduate trainee first and later you become shift engineer and I hope in between these 2 different roles your job description should be closely related to that occupation for which you have received the positive skill assessment.
Engineers Australia must have found your all experience closely related to the respective occupation then only they have granted you this skilled assessment.
In this case on which ground the would be case officer will raise any questions on your candidature??

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Faizaan Ahmed January 26, 2016 at 9:10 pm

Hello piyush,

Yeah my job experience is closely related with my occupation. But i want to bring one thing into your letter which is written below on the Assessment outcome letter and it is note :
“All above advice is based on evidence as submitted, and the assessment does not constitute an opinion as to the veracity of claims made. Determination of points under
the skilled migration points test remains at the discretion of delegated officers of the Department of Immigration and Border Protection”.
This point is shown to me by my mentor.
kindly comment.
Thanks

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Piyush Singh January 26, 2016 at 10:04 pm

Hi Faizaan,
I have received the below comments in my assessment letter.
“Please note that the Department of Immigration and Border Protection reserves the right to undertake
further investigation regarding your skilled employment experience.
While the ACS is authorised to assess ICT skills assessments, the final decision in awarding points
remains with the Department of Immigration and Border Protection.
This assessment is based upon the documents provided. By issuing this letter or otherwise, the ACS
makes no representation regarding:
• The authenticity of documentation provided or the veracity of content.
• The suitability of the applicant for migration or employment.
This assessment is valid for a period of 24 months from the date of this letter.”

**Even if you will claim the 5 points and your case officer is not satisfied with the same he will simply reduce those points back to the original one, but there is nothing like that he will make your candidature void and you will loose your visa.

If this will be the case then nobody will try to claim such points for work experience as the last decision will be based on the case officer itself.
Does it make sense?

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Faizaan January 26, 2016 at 10:36 pm

I understand your point.Suppose now I am updating my Eoi with 65 points by considering 5 points of my experience and showing one single 3 yrs period. From that if I got faster invitation and therefore started my process further and in between suppose visa officer raise a query and deduct 5 points. So will I again submit my EOI and start process from inially? Secondly visa officer raise query after visa fee deposit or before?

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Piyush Singh January 26, 2016 at 11:00 pm

Hi Faizaan,
Ideally case officer will be assigned once you will pay the fees and submit your all documents in the immi account after getting the invite. All discretion will be based on the case officer itself.
Not sure if case officer will reduce the points then how he/she will proceed further with that EOI.
That would depend on case officer itself.

Faizaan Ahmed January 27, 2016 at 5:39 pm

Yeah thats my concern because fee amount is a big sum for me and I am not able to take risk on that.

Hey bob, please see this conversation and comment.

LEEDIA January 24, 2016 at 11:45 pm

Can u tell me if I am eligible for 190 subclass. I have 25{age ) +15(exp)+15 (degree) so total 55 points. If I apply for EOI AND state nomination same time ,will I be chosen by EOI . I am under the impression that 5 points I will get from state nomination if I am selected from them .This will give me 60 points before I get the invitation from DIBP.
EOI website says competant english is enough. I dont have points for english exam.
kindly reply.

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Piyush January 25, 2016 at 12:37 am

Hi Leedia,
If you are a native English speaker then you might not be needing the IELTS score.
At the current scenario it’s difficult to get 190 subclass invitation with 55 + 5 points unless your occupation is in high demand for the chosen state in Australia.
Right now people with 60 points are getting subclass 189 invite and probably with 5 extra points for state nomination your total points should be more than 60 to get an 190 subclass invite.

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varun January 24, 2016 at 8:17 pm

Hi Piyush,

Thanks for the response. Do you know anyone getting an invite for category 189 subclass 2613 post EOI submission in the recent past, the reason being , I get to hear people applied for this category during March ’15 are still waiting for an invite which is quiet scaring. What’s your thought??

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Piyush January 25, 2016 at 12:32 am

Hi Varun,
Definitely people are getting invite for this occupation for 189 subclass. I have received my invite in the month on December 2015, and my friend received an invite just recently in this month itself. Only thing is we both had 65 points so it might get picked earlier.
At 60 points there’s a huge pool of candidates and due to that it might take a bit longer time to get and invite based on when you have submitted your EOI.
But trust me people are still getting an invite for this occupation so no need to worry about that.

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Varun January 25, 2016 at 6:04 pm

Hi Piyush, Thanks for the info. Even I was referring to the 60 pointers wait time. :)

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varun January 24, 2016 at 3:36 pm

Hi,
I have applied for 261313 subclass 189 60 points on Jan 12th’16 and i have not got invited in Jan 22nd’16 round. Could anyone advise me on the current trend on getting an invitation and is it advisable to submit EOI under 190 NSW to get faster invitation. Please help.

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Piyush Singh January 24, 2016 at 4:15 pm

Hi Varun,
Might be there are more applicant in the pool with points 60 or above, so whoever applied first will be served first. For 2613 occupation, people with 60 points or above are getting invites currently.
In my opinion you should wait for 1-2 more rounds to get the invite for subclass 189.
If you want to get an invite for subclass 190 then you can submit another EOI.

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LEEDIA January 23, 2016 at 11:10 pm

can you please tell 10years work experience is it full time or part time?

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Piyush Singh January 24, 2016 at 1:10 am

Hi Leedia,

All these work experience could be full time and part time only in case you have worked for at least 20 hours a week.
‘Working for at least 20 hours a week’ means 20 hours paid work each week. You may also meet this requirement where your employment provides for variable hours of work that extend beyond a week such as some shift workers and fly in fly out workers.

Hope these details will help you.

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LEEDIA January 24, 2016 at 1:47 am

thank you.So atleast 20hours of work per week for 10years is considered as 10years of experience for point system.

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Piyush Singh January 24, 2016 at 1:53 am

Actually 20 hours per week for 10 years won’t be calculated as 10 years of work experience but somehow will come around 5 years, only if Australian authority will assess your mentioned work experience based on your skilled job category.
So ideally it’s conditional and depend on discretion of the migration authority only.
Once you will be done with the skilled assessment process you will come to know about your total assessed skilled employment on which you can claim the points.

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LEEDIA January 24, 2016 at 3:44 am

THANK YOU .

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LEEDIA January 24, 2016 at 7:25 pm

Hi Piyush
Can u tell me if I am eligible for 190 subclass. I have 25{age ) +15(exp)+15 (degree) so total 55 points. If I apply for EOI AND state nomination same time ,will I be chosen by EOI . I am under the impression that 5 points I will get from state nomination if I am selected from them .This will give me 60 points before I get the invitation from DIBP.
EOI website says competant english is enough. I dont have points for english exam.
kindly reply.

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Deepti January 22, 2016 at 7:39 pm

Hello,
I filed eoi on 20 jan 2016 for 189 as electrical engineer and received invitation next day , 21 jan 2016. I got positive skilled assesment only for my bachelor’s degree and and not my masters degree.Therefore I had mentioned only my bachelors degree on eoi. Now i want to know whether i can proceed further with my visa application, as I havent mentioned my masters degree in eoi as it was not comparable to aus qualification framework, and engineer australia didnt recognize my masters degree. I was claiming points for my bachelors degree only. I have only 60 days to decide , anyone plz suggest me if you have any idea regarding this matter.

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Piyush Singh January 22, 2016 at 10:43 pm

Hi Deepti,

Even if you have received positive skill assessment only for your bachelors degree you can still apply with your skill assessment.
But while filling out the complete application in immiaccount they will ask you to provide all your educational details for which you have/haven’t claimed the points.
Its a valid scenario and I do not see any issue with this.

So please go ahead and complete your application.
Best of luck.

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Russel January 22, 2016 at 10:57 pm

Hi Deepti,
Piyush is right. You should not have a problem, as you are only claiming points based on your assessment.
Go ahead and apply.
Good luck.

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deepti January 23, 2016 at 12:06 am

hello piyush,
I have already received invitation for 189 visa and i havent mentioned about my masters degree in eoi. Is it ok to proceed further with application.. The case is different i havent mentioned aboit a degree which is actually completed.

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deepti January 23, 2016 at 12:07 am

hello piyush,
I have already received invitation for 189 visa and i havent mentioned about my masters degree in eoi. Is it ok to proceed further with application.. The case is different i havent mentioned about a degree which is actually completed.

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Piyush Singh January 23, 2016 at 12:21 am

Hi Deepti,

Anyways you are going to provide them all your education details in Immi account filing. So don’t worry, you aren’t hiding any information.
Details in EOI is just for the sake of gaining points and based on that fact migration authority sends you an invite.
It won’t be an issue, you can still apply to your PR.

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Isha gupta January 12, 2016 at 11:18 pm

Hi,
I have applied for the visa subclass 189 and 190 and recently got an invite for 190. As i am going through your responses, you say there is a 60 days expiry period within which one can submit the application but in my case i got a 14 days expiry because of which my invite got expired as i was unable to submit due to some problem. How can this happen? Also my EOI is not blocked, does it mean i can get an invite for 189? Can i submit a new EOI for the visa class 190?
I know you must have answered these queries before but i am honestly unable to find out your reaponses to these queries.
Please reply as i am in sydney on a tourist visa and i am very eager to find a job here and settle here.
Thanks alot

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Yessica January 13, 2016 at 5:53 am

Hi,

Visa 190 works diffrent to the 190. For that reason you got only 14 days to apply. If you did not apply you time and chance for that application is gone.
If you EIO is block you should call migration an try to solve it.

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Piyush Singh January 13, 2016 at 6:25 am

Hi Isha,

If you will let this 190 invite go, and you have opted for both 189 & 190 Visa under your current EOI then you are still eligible to receiving invite for Visa 189 but not for Visa 190 under this EOI.
This happened with me already couple of weeks back and I got invite for 189 Visa under the same EOI.

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Isha gupta January 13, 2016 at 8:33 am

Hi,
Thank you so much for your replies. Just want to know that shall i create a new eoi for the visa 190 and submit now? Also when can i expect the nvite for visa 189 as when did u get after your invite for 190 expired?

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Piyush Singh January 13, 2016 at 4:01 pm

Hi Isha,

You can submit another EOI as I did, but getting another invite for 190 will depend on the states. Before my Visa 190 invite expired, i got two Visa 189 invite from both the EOIs. Getting invitation for both Visa 189/190 is completely based on your points and number of applicants having similar or higher points.
You can reach out to me at +65-91098922, probably on whatsapp.
I have gone through lots of research while applying for this PR, may help you with your queries.

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Isha gupta January 13, 2016 at 10:09 pm

Hi piyush,
Thank u so much. I am definitely going to discuss my questiona with you on your wtsapp. Thanks alot.

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varun January 24, 2016 at 3:31 pm

Hi,
I have applied for 261313 subclass 189 on Jan 12th’16 and i have not got invited in Jan 22nd’16 round. Could anyone advise me on the current trend on getting an invitation and is it advisable to submit EOI under 190 NSW to get faster invitation. Please help.

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Gettie January 11, 2016 at 9:03 pm

Hi

When an invitation to apply is sent to me, what happens if my skills assessment is still being processed

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Yessica January 12, 2016 at 4:12 am

You 100 % sure of the result of your assessment??? You should wait to have all the paperwork done.

Is explicit explain that you should have all done before sending the eoi

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Sumit Goenka January 10, 2016 at 5:52 pm

Hi ,
I and my wife , are an aspirant to move to Australia . I am applying for 189 , and wanted to check that is it necessary to complete IELTS test before filling an EOI . If we file the EOI without it and complete our IELTS in the mean time – does it impacts our chances of getting an invitation for Visa .

Thanks.

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Yessica January 10, 2016 at 7:25 pm

You will need to add the day and result of the ielts when you are completing the eoi.

You can start to complete one… you can check how it looks like… And what will you need!

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Al January 10, 2016 at 8:56 pm

You need at least a score of 7 in all areas in the IELTS before you apply for the EOI as far as I’m aware.

More over don’t under estimate how difficult the IELTS can be just because you are English.

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ashok kumar December 17, 2015 at 7:50 pm

I have selected three sub class in a single EOI (190, 489 SS ans 489 FS). I would like to know whether it is correct way or I have create single EOI for one class.

1.190 and 489SS for NSW
2. 489 FS for Victoria.

Besides, I would like to know whether this EOI is viewed by state or DIBP.

Please advice

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Piyush Singh January 13, 2016 at 4:30 pm

Hi Ashok,

This is absolutely the correct way of selecting sub class Visas under one EOI, at the same time you can create multiple EOIs as well but it will be difficult to keep track on that.

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zahid December 16, 2015 at 7:30 pm

Hi
My medical examination was update on dibp on 23october 2015 after one weak my co demand my updated cv and on 3 nov dibp demand my pass port detail still now no reply from Department.i apply for 190 visa state nomination of victoria.i just want to know how much time the department takes in my case thanks

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BobinOz December 16, 2015 at 10:50 pm

There is no set timescale as far as I’m aware, each case is different. Good luck though, Bob

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Dalia December 8, 2015 at 6:20 pm

Hello Bob,

thank you for sharing this information.
My query is about the employment part. I have been employed in Australia for about 1 1/5 year as a chef, but with a casual contract. I have all my payslips, payg summery and all the proof. Will it count towards the point system even though it was casual employment?
Thank you

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Russel December 8, 2015 at 6:22 pm

Yes, it will count towards the point system. However do remember the amount of experience is calculated by the assessing body

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Dalia December 9, 2015 at 1:05 am

thank you for replying :)

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Dilpreet December 4, 2015 at 8:44 pm

Hello Bob
I want to know when 599112 profession will in demand..

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BobinOz December 7, 2015 at 7:09 pm

I’m not sure anybody can predict what will come onto the various skills lists and when, it’s all down to the government.

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Archie December 4, 2015 at 10:04 am

Dear Russell, my defacto partner has received nsw190 nomination, we were waiting for our relationship registration certificate which is due in two days. So to avoid risk, we didn’t add my details to his EOI. And I have 7 bands n ACS assessment positive. Now, is it too late to add my details so that both of us can get PR? Your response would be greatly appreciated.

Inanticipation
Archie

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Russel December 4, 2015 at 6:52 pm

You need to inform NSW about the same before you pay the application fees. The details will be on the website, and generally they are helpful. Considering the total point score should increase, I do not think there will be a problem. If NSW does not reply, then you need to contact a MARA agent for sure.

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Jessica January 8, 2016 at 6:17 am

Hi Archie, for how long do you and your partner wait for your eoi be selected for NSW…

I hope you could share your experience..

Jessica

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Lima December 2, 2015 at 10:44 pm

Hi bob,
Ok so with the point test we can gain 5points fro regional study and we must provide documents from uni as well as living in the regional area for 2 years during their study period. My question is I lost my lease agreement when I lived in the regional area and none of the bills were under my name so becoming hard to prove I lived there. However owner of the house has agreed to write me a stat deceleration for the two years I lived there, will this be prove enough to claim the 5 points? Since I also have documents from uni stating I studied in the regional area.
Thanks
Lima

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BobinOz December 3, 2015 at 9:05 pm

I think this is one of those questions that only the immigration department can answer, good luck though, Bob

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Al soon to be in Aus December 2, 2015 at 12:23 am

Hi Bob hope your back is getting better my and the wife have visited your helpful website often over the last year but we now have a question to ask.

We are at the point of applying for the Skilled-Independent visa (subclass 189) we have the points done the IELTS and the vet-assess interview all fine was great fun. 😉

Just one last hiccup “of many” before our agent submits the application. I’ll be 40 years old on the 19th of December and lose points meaning we won’t be able to get the 189 visa we wanted and have to go for the sponsored visa instead. Not the end of the world but we want to go to Perth and am under the impression they don’t sponsor my trade so would have to rethink our relocation plans.

Originally my agent said as long as we get the application in before your birthday we’re fine. Now due to logon problems with the aus gov website which he says are known issues they are working to resolve our application could be delayed 7-10 days.

Our agent said to me this morning that it’s ok cause whoever he spoke to last night from the aus gov said that as long as I’m under 40 years at the point of invitation it’s all good so won’t matter if I’m 40 when my application eventually go’s in. I am assuming that the point of invitation was when my EOI was approved.

Do you or anyone know for sure what the point of cut of is for it mattering about age and points?

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BobinOz December 2, 2015 at 9:26 pm

This isn’t a question I can answer, as I mentioned in the notices above, only MARA agent’s can answer these kinds are specific questions. You have a MARA agent working on your case, he ‘should’ know what he is talking about.

If for some reason you don’t trust your MARA agent, then maybe you should seek clarification of the rule from another MARA agent or maybe try and find out directly from the government’s immigration website. Good luck, Bob

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BobinOz November 27, 2015 at 9:11 pm

I would just like to remind the last three commenters that I am not able to answer any questions specifically about visa options, only MARA registered migration agents are able to do that. Good luck to each of you though, Bob

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Piyush Singh November 27, 2015 at 7:13 pm

Dear Bob,

I have a small doubt regarding the invitations for Subclass 189 and 190.
Actually, I have submitted my EOI on 25/11/2015 for both Visa Subclass 189 & 190 and got the invite from NSW for state sponsorship on 26/11/2015 which is valid for only 2 weeks up to 10/12/2015.
But I am more inclined towards visa subclass 189 and I want to wait for the next 2 weeks, so I might get the invite for Visa subclass 189 in the mean time.
My doubt is when I already have an invite from NSW for state sponsorship, will it be possible to get visa subclass 189 invitation also at the same time.
I was planning that if I will get the invite for subclass 189 within 2 weeks, then I will go with that otherwise I will apply for the state sponsorship on the last day of validity which is 10/12/2015.
Please suggest me should I wait for the invite of subclass 189 or should move forward with subclass 190 invite from NSW?

Best regards,
Piyush

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Russel November 28, 2015 at 3:01 pm

I have answered a similar question previously

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Piyush Singh November 28, 2015 at 3:43 pm

Hi Russel,

Thanks for reminding me again, actually I have gone through your previous posts but I was wondering if I can submit another EOI with selecting only subclass 189 visa option and wait for its invitation, as I really don’t want my existing EOI to be blocked and at the same time I don’t want to cancel the current invitation from NSW(state sponsorship) for the next two weeks.

Please advise me on this.

Regards,
Piyush

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Russel November 28, 2015 at 4:53 pm

I have answered this as well previously

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Piyush Singh November 28, 2015 at 5:40 pm

Hi Russel,

I have thoroughly read your previous comments but in those comments you have mentioned the process only for the existing EOI, I was asking what if I will submit a new EOI with only subclass 189 visa option.

Regards,
Piyush.

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Russel November 28, 2015 at 8:27 pm

I have been writing here since 2013 and I have answered this question 2-3 times at least.

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Piyush Singh November 29, 2015 at 12:28 am

Hi Russel,

Sorry for bothering you again, actually this thread is having more than 1300 comments and I have read the most recent one only so I might have missed your older comments.
Moreover I am still able to update the current EOI after receiving the Invitation to apply for NSW nomination for a subclass 190 visa and its not showing blocked or unblocked anywhere, so I am a bit confused on this.

Apart from all this I have one more confusion about the work skill assessment which is assessed by ACS and they mentioned that after March 2009 is considered to equate to work at an appropriately skilled level and relevant to 261313 (Software Engineer) of the ANZSCO Code. whereas I have mentioned all my experience from March 2007 – Till now in the current EOI.
Due to that definitely I will have higher score point due to 8 years of total experience as compared to 6 years of skilled experienced assessed by ACS.

Is there anything wrong in this scenario? In EOI they have mentioned to fill out all work experience in last 10 years so I updated all my relevant work experience of more than 8 years.

Please advise on the above scenario, that would be a great help.

Regards,
Piyush.

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Russel November 29, 2015 at 6:10 pm

If your EOI is not locked it means you have not got a 189 invitation yet. Also do remember that 189 visas take more time to process as per the border website.
I have answered the part about ACS assessments before, it is surprising you have not checked it, and it is also a part of the ACS assessment faqs – in most cases ACS does not count the first 2 years of your employment because they feel you have not gained the expertise.
In most cases the experience and education level stated by the Assessing body is final and binding, because border makes the decision based on the info provided by ACS or any assessing body.
So if ACS states 6 yrs and you write you have 8 yrs, it might still count only as 6 yrs for Border.

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Johann November 22, 2015 at 2:22 pm

Hey Bob, I’m moving with my family from Auckland, New Zealand to Melbourne, Australia as I’m being transferred through work and I have two questions I’m hoping you may be able to help clarify for me.

Question 1:
As we could be looking to be in Australia for a good while I would like to take up residency and I’ve noted that when submitting an EOI I need to provide an IELTS exam or some skills assessment – is this still applicable given that I’m moving from NZ?

Question 2:
I have an IT degree and a Postgrad diploma in business. I’ve been working as an ICT Manager for the past 6 years but started of as a software engineer. Is there a particular skills category I should select?

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Shirlee November 21, 2015 at 6:16 pm

I’ve scanned Google and this site for anyone that has tried to move to Australia as a Glazier (333111) and see that it’s not such a popular area. We also read it may be taken off the SOL! We desperately want to come over but until a formal qualification is assessed by the TRA we can’t do anything. It’s so frustrating – now my question is – if my husband actually went to visit our friends in Aus and at the same time tried to find a company that would hire him if he had the TRA assessment – then this would probably be the best way however isn’t a 189 visa better than a 457 visa as you pay a lot more for a family on a 457 to live (medical etx)? I’d just love to know what others think and what they’ve done to make their dream a reality?

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Ida November 16, 2015 at 4:21 pm

Dear Bob,
I truly appreciate that you provide such a fruitful website and answer people generously.
My question is that what will happened if we choose both visa subclass 189 and 190 in EOI step and receive invitation from 190 subclass. Will the invitation for visa 189 be canceled or still we will have to chance to get 189 invitation.
Best regards,
Ida

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Russel November 16, 2015 at 4:57 pm

Hi Ida,
If you get a 190 invitation, the EOI gets locked so you will not get a 189 invitation during this period of 60 days
Once the EOI gets unlocked, you may get the 189 invitation, but that clearly depends on your point score.

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Ida November 17, 2015 at 3:36 pm

thanks Russel, will the EOI unlock process happen automatically if I ignore the 190 invitation?

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Russel November 17, 2015 at 3:45 pm

Yes the EOI will automatically unlock after 60 days. But remember there is no guarantee you may get a 189 visa invite. You always get only one invite at a time. States generally sponsor only once, and will not responsor unless you really had a good reason to refuse the invite the 1st time. I dont know if 189 visa invitation comes more than once.

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Manal October 26, 2015 at 7:21 pm

I have a question,I have submitted an EOI beginning of this month,but i want to update it to show interest in a state,will that affect my date of effect or it will be considered a new application?

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Dristi October 5, 2015 at 11:50 am

Hello Bob,
I have a query. It would be great if you solve it. I have sent email to skillselect but didn’t receive reply. Can a couple file two different eoi as primary applicant making each other secondary applicant. I have positive skill assessment of bachelor in Engineering degree and not my masters degree which is in Energy. I have relevant skill employment upto june 2015( i submitted migration skill assessment to engineer australia on July 8th), and have been continuing the same job from March 2013. Can I mention about my masters degree in EOI? Also do i need to mention job experience only upto june ? I am confused whether mentioning my masters degee and job after june would be consider false claim in EOI ,which is not.
Regards

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BobinOz October 7, 2015 at 5:08 pm

This isn’t a question I can answer for you, see my important notices above, this is something you should be discussing with a MARA registered migration agent. Good luck, Bob

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