Australian Visas and Expression Of Interest (EOI): Caution!

by BobinOz on July 2, 2012

in Moving To Australia

On 1 July 2012 Expression of Interest or EOI came into play and the very next day, on 2 July 2012 I wrote this post about it. This post is still relevant today and from time to time I do update the information where necessary. The last update took place 4 July 2014.

Every year the Department of Immigration & Border Control (DIBP) reviews and revises the visa application process. They look at the jobs on the skills list, how the points are allocated and the whole process of making the visa application.

Then they tweak it all and come up with some new rules and procedures and announce them, usually, on July 1.

Expression of Interest or EOI

Here’s the process step-by-step, I’ll explain each stage in a minute:

Skills Select

  • Expression of Interest
  • Getting picked from the pool

Expression of Interest

Skilled applicants will be able to go online and enter their own EOI. The information they will be required to input will be quite thorough, equivalent to the six pages worth of information required to complete a Visa Assessment here on BobinOz.

Getting picked from the pool

Technically, you could get picked out of the pool by any one of Australia’s states or territories who require your skills, or any employer, or even DIBP themselves. You will get an invitation if you are nominated by the states or territories or if your occupation is on the SOL and you meet the qualification criteria you will receive an invitation directly from SkillSelect. You can still find your own sponsor and it is probably advisable to continue looking for one as nobody is really sure just how many states or employers will be scanning this system for people.

Once you are selected or have found your own sponsor, you move to the next stage.

Visa Application:

  • Pay the Visa Application Charge (VAC)
  • Your information is then verified
  • Fast track to Australia

So, what happens at each stage? It’s all still a bit daunting, and in places there is still uncertainty, but this is how we think it works.

Once you have been invited – by either Skillselect for an independent visa or invited on the basis of a state or territory nomination, you move to the next stage.

You have 60 days in which to apply after being selected. The great thing about this process is it is fast!

Pay Visa Application Charge (VAC)

Of course, your visa application will have a fee involved, payable to the Australian Government. You will be required to pay this fee with your application.

Your information is then verified

Remember that EOI you completed online a while back? I hope you didn’t tell any little white lies on it. I remember going for a job interview when I was about 18 years of age. Of course, I had a CV prepared. I never much liked the section called “Hobbies and Interests”, at the time mine were going to the pub, getting drunk and partying.

That’s not what a prospective employer wants to see, is it?

So I put sport and photography.

The interview went well, but right at the end, the interviewer said “So, what camera do you use?”

I looked at him in utter bewilderment; I’d forgotten my own hobbies. He reminded me of what I’d put on my CV and asked again what camera I used.

“It’s just a normal camera.” I said weakly.

Yes, many of us can tell little white lies to get that job on occasions.


Not on an EOI. I will explain why under the pitfalls below.

Fast track to Australia

Yay! If all goes well, you will be in Australia in no time. But what about…

The pitfalls!


When you complete your EOI online, there are no checkpoints in it. If you want to put yourself down as a brain surgeon with 15 years experience, you can. You can create a profile with 100 points if you want.

The system will accept it and place you in a queue.

Obviously, nobody in their right mind would do that, but maybe you’d be tempted to say you have four years experience when you have just over three? Or to say you have a qualification when you are still waiting for the result of that exam?

No, you wouldn’t do that, would you?

How about this then? There is a tick box somewhere along the line asking if you have had your skill assessed by the relevant authority. Maybe you are in the process of doing that, maybe you are thinking of doing it, maybe you tick yes.

Maybe you enter any kind of information into this document that isn’t quite correct. What happens?

If you enter incorrect information:

  • You are automatically refused when the discrepancy comes to light.
  • You will lose your Visa Application Charge fee.
  • You could possibly be banned from reapplying for three years.

The Australian government have a great migration blog to help you, I suggest that in particular you read their post called Busting the myths about SkillSelect for more information.

The EOI that you complete online is a legal document, please complete it with 100% accuracy, or you could be very sorry indeed.

As I have said already, you can enter the information for your EOI yourself. At this stage, it appears that non-MARA registered migration agents can also charge you a fee to help you with this process.

“Yah, I’m an expert EOI form filler, here’s my card :-). I can fill it in properly for you for just $300!”


If you do not want to fill in this form yourself, and you do want help, I strongly suggest that you use only a professional MARA registered migration agent or a qualified lawyer. It’s a legal document and great care has to be taken when completing it.

There are other pitfalls as well.

Let’s suppose there are 40,000 skilled jobs required in Australia for 2012 to 2013. Let’s say, for example, that 500 of those jobs are for accountants.

When those 500 accountants have been accepted through the whole process, no more accountants will be needed. But that information is not made public anywhere, accountants can still enter their EOI.

Some good news

It’s not all bad news, here are some little snippets of good news.

  • The points target has now been reduced to 60.
  • Students studying here who successfully gain a bachelor’s or Masters degree Ph.D. will automatically qualify for an 18 month working visa on completion.
  • Students will also qualify for an additional five points for studying here for a minimum of two years.
  • The new system is geared more towards a faster acceptance of those looking to get a 457 visa.

The downside

It will now be slightly harder for those who are hoping to come here directly on a Permanent Residency visa as preference will be given to those with sponsorships.

There is more, much more. But I think that’s enough for now.

Visit: SkillSelect for more details and to submit your EOI.

Comments: Please read…

Since this post went live on July 2, 2012 it has attracted a huge amount of interest and, at the time of writing this, 370 odd comments.

It is obvious that this process, Expression of Interest, is hugely confusing and many of you are having problems with it. Almost all of the comments below are questions about this process.

I would need to be a MARA registered migration agent to know the answers to these questions and I’m not. The above article was written after I had spoken at length to a professional MARA agent, for any of you who have read the article, you probably now know as much about EOI as I do.

I am keeping comments open on this post, but I will not be able to answer any questions. Hopefully somebody else who does know might pop by with an answer, but I would also suggest that you do have a quick look at all the comments that have already been made as your question may have already been covered.

Good luck to you all,


PS. The notices below, in a way, repeat what I’ve just said above but they also fully clarify my situation when it comes to comments.

Important: Please read before commenting…

And for those looking for professional assistance…

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I.A October 1, 2015 at 6:11 pm

I submitted my 190 application on 19 Sep 2014, PCC & Health Dec 2014, VAC2 19 Feb 2015, and still no response.. ImmiAccount still showing “Assessment Under Progress”!!!

I am just wondering!! is this delay normal??


Debojit Mukherjee September 28, 2015 at 8:37 pm

Hi, I submitted my EOI application on 19th August, 2015 under the visa Subclass 189 for the ‘Software Engineer’ category code – 261313, with 60 points. Could you please assist on when can I get the results of EOI. Thanks.


WA September 22, 2015 at 3:32 pm

Hello All,

Finally after 7 months of waiting, I have got my PR :) .

Thanks Bob , your website helped me a lot.


BobinOz September 23, 2015 at 12:52 am

Congrats WA, fantastic news. Hope you get to enjoy this place is much as I do :-)


Ram September 19, 2015 at 3:27 pm


I am a Statistician. I recently got my VETASSESS (224113) result +ve with 4 years of relevant experience out of 6 (on 17Sep2015). My PTE result is competent with overall score 67. Yesterday I lodged EOI with 55 points.
In, Occupation ceiling UNIT GROUP: 2241 has an availability of 99%.
Can you please suggest me if I can go ahead and apply for VIC SS with this score because of the availability of invitations, or is it too risky.

Please guide me to clear the confusion.



Kumar Vaibhav September 13, 2015 at 6:22 pm

I recently received a 189 Visa invite. I just have the following question – what if I accept the invite but in the end do not pay the fee and let it go a waste?
So, after 60 days, will they again put me in the EoI queue or will I need to make a second EoI application for that?


Nishant September 7, 2015 at 3:00 pm

I did my hotel management degree assessed from WES( world education services) once. do i have to again get it assessed from any australian education authorities while applying for 189 subclass visa



Russel September 8, 2015 at 8:00 am

Yes. Australian assessment is mandatory.


Jai September 7, 2015 at 2:32 am


I’ve put in my EOI this July 2015 with a points score of 60 and 7+ across all bands in IELTS. My IELTS score is expiring this October and hence i’m looking to take the test again so as to avoid having an expired score when i receive my invitation.

If i were to score 7+ again across all bands and my points score remains the same at 60, would this have an impact on my ranking or more importantly my Visa date of Effect because i’ve updated my personal information without change in points.

Appreciate your advice.


SANDEEP September 1, 2015 at 9:55 pm

I am planning to migrate to Australia and need to make my wife paasport,
I want to ask Is sir name mandatory for Australian PR Visa in passport ?

Please tell


Russel September 2, 2015 at 6:27 am

Well if the wife does not have a family name it’s not needed


Navdeep August 28, 2015 at 3:02 pm

Hi. The English requirement for South Australia was 7 each. In my case, I am missing the IELTS requirement by 0.5 bands only. Even in PTE I am lacking with one mark. SO I am not able to attain any points for IELTS. My profession was open in South Australia and went under special conditions now. My cousin is an SA resident and she is ready to sponsor. What do you suggest.In addition to that I am crossing the age of 33 next month.


kami August 25, 2015 at 5:26 pm

I have a question that for Australian Skilled Visa i just need to pay Standard Competency Demonstration Report fees(650$) or also need to submit Relevant Skilled Employment Assessment fees (+$270 Excl. GST)?


kami August 24, 2015 at 3:37 pm

Hi Russel,

I have completed my 16 years education and 5 years of experience in Electronics Engineering field. Can you please tell me that my cousin can sponsor me for PR visa.. he have PR visa and now a days he is living there.



Russel August 25, 2015 at 2:50 pm

Yes,if the skill is open in the state where he lives


kami August 25, 2015 at 3:03 pm

Thanks for your reply.
Can you please tell me visa category. and for this visa IELTS is mandatory ?


Russel August 26, 2015 at 12:16 pm

check regarding the visa category and IELTS
Regarding fees for Assessment, ask the assessment body


kami August 27, 2015 at 2:03 pm

Thanks Russsel For your quick response… I mailed assessment authority (engineering australia) but they didn’t reply me. Thats why I asked this question.


Navdeep August 24, 2015 at 2:50 pm

My profession is Training and development which is not available in most of the states. I just read somewhere that first cousin can sponsor. Can this sponsorship work in the states,where my profession is not available.


Russel August 25, 2015 at 3:00 pm



Navdeep August 25, 2015 at 3:31 pm

So does that mean my cousin can sponsor in case the profession is open in the respective state.


Russel August 26, 2015 at 12:18 pm

Yes, if the skill category is open in the same state where he/she resides he/she can sponsor


Navdeep August 26, 2015 at 4:25 pm

Actually, the English requirement for South Australia was 7 each. In my case, I am missing the IELTS requirement by 0.5 bands only. Even in PTE I am lacking with one mark. SO I am not able to attain any points for IELTS. My profession was open in South Australia and went under special conditions now. My cousin is an SA resident and she is ready to sponsor. What do you suggest.In addition to that I am crossing the age of 33 next month.


Russel August 29, 2015 at 3:49 am

Well if her sponsorship helps you meet the point score, then it is a decision you need to make soon, especially if you are turning 33 next month


Navdeep August 31, 2015 at 5:07 pm

But in this case, the ielts requirement is 7 each and My scores are R-8,S-7,W-7,L-6.5,Overall 7
If I will get sponsorship, will my case be considered for EOI, as I am lacking with 0.5 bands.


Russel September 1, 2015 at 3:34 am

If the state says minimum 7 in ielts, it means they will not accept your application. Unless they state exceptions/exemptions may be granted.


Navdeep September 1, 2015 at 4:58 pm

DO states generally grant exceptions. If yes, then in which circumstances.


Russel September 2, 2015 at 6:20 am

You need to check with SA. They will decide based on your request.

Navdeep September 7, 2015 at 3:59 pm

So can you please provide me the appropriate email id for the same. Will a simple mail, explaining the complete circumstances will solve the purpose.

Sheema August 24, 2015 at 2:28 pm

Hi Russel,
thanks for your reply.

My assesment letter says
Employment assessed:Lecturer (2010-2015)
and in the end, in points test advice it says no of years assessed positivelt: 8.4
Date deemed skilled for thi occupation : 2007 (as i started in 2006 )
I am confused due to the upper assesses employment… why did they mention 5 years there?


Russel August 24, 2015 at 2:46 pm

Hi Sheema,
I am unable to understand what You have written properly.
If the assessment body is saying 8 years clearly, all you need to do is provide evidence of 8 years experience to DIBP.


Sheema August 24, 2015 at 3:24 pm

Dear Russel,
I meant I am myself confused about the vetassess document I received.
Its says
Employment assessed : Lecturer (2010-2015)
However, I applied for points test advice from Vetassess and in the advice they mentioned:
No of employment years = 8.4 years

Now, may be I should just wait and drop all my employment relevant documents when I get invitation.

I am also worried about state nomination, Not any of the state/ territory is open for university lecturers at the moment. Do you have any idea when should it open? I only saw the occupation of University lecturer is open in Northern territory and they say one should have job offer first before applying for nomination in Northern Territory. Also How is living in Northern territory? Should I go for it?
Thanks :)


Russel August 25, 2015 at 3:07 pm

You shall need to provide proof of employment to DIBP. So you need to provide evidence of the 8.4 years.
You can always move to another state once the lock in period is over ( state nomination)


Sheema Riaz August 24, 2015 at 5:06 am

Hi Bob,
I have submitted EOI yesterday (23-08-15). I am confused about my employment details. For I started working in 2006 in a university as a lecturer and joined PhD at Imperial College London in June 2007-2012. I was on study leave during that time as a part of university’s faculty development program and joined back right after i finished PhD. So my current job experience is counted as over 8 years at the University. However, I am worried what if DIBP people don’t consider the time of my PhD as my service/ employment experience?
Any suggestions?


Russel August 24, 2015 at 6:53 am

Hi Sheema,
What does your assessment letter say??
The assessment letter by the assessing body indicates the relevant experience and then you need to provide evidence to DIBP to show that your experience matches with the experience stated by the assessment body.

Good Luck


Mister X August 11, 2015 at 12:46 pm

Hi Guys

I am on a 489 provisional state sponsorship in Queensland.

Can i move to other states for work legally as the job situation is not quite good in here for me??


Leo July 23, 2015 at 2:42 pm

I lodged an EOI on 21st July 2015, I specified the completion date for my study here in Australia as the end date of Confirmation of Enrolment (CoE). However, I am still awaiting my PhD completion letter. For PhD it is quite confusing because we finish our study at the end of CoE, but has to wait couple of months for examination, revision, paper works, etc. I am just wondering if this confusion in the study completion date would cause any trouble ? Many thanks in advance !


shamim July 21, 2015 at 8:43 pm

I have reached 60 points after completing 8 years of Experience , I just want to know that weather I need un expired IELTS score while filling up Expression of Interest. As I have Given IELTS but its 4 years old but I dont need IELTS to gain the points ….Can you please guide.


Russel July 21, 2015 at 9:05 pm

If you hold a passport from the United Kingdom, the United States of America, Canada, the Republic of Ireland or New Zealand you do not need to do the IELTS.

For all other countries, the applicants need to do the IELTS as proof of functional english.


shamim July 21, 2015 at 9:11 pm

I had appeared for IELTS in year 2011 where I had scored 7.5 bands but its 4 years not. My question is if I am not claiming points of English proficieny in Expression of Interest as I have 30 points of age, 15 for qulaification and 15 for Experience will get Visa application invite or before going for Expression of interest I need to appeare for IELTS.
Or Can fill expression of Interest now and when they invite based on 60 points before applying for Visa I appeare for IELTS and get the minimum required score.


Hidayath July 16, 2015 at 11:38 pm

Hi Russel,

Thanks a lot !!!!



Hidayath July 16, 2015 at 12:28 pm

Hi Russel,

Thanks for the quick response !!!
I completely understand the point that the points are given by the “Assessing body”.
But still there is a question, does the assessing body reduce 2 years of work experience while assessing for information technology experience like (Software or networking domain).

Thanks in advance.


Russel July 16, 2015 at 1:23 pm

The answer to your question is, the assessing body will decide the amount of relevant experience. It does not need to be a 2 year reduction, it could be more than 2 years or less than 2 depending on the relevance your work experience has to your skill code. Also different bodies do assessments differently. If you want an accurate answer, you will need to find a MARA agent. I can only give you a general idea.


Hidayath July 15, 2015 at 2:05 am

Hi Team,

Greetings to all !!!

My special thanks to Bob for initiating this good site.

My details are as mentioned below;
Age :30 Years — Points described in Australian site 30
Education :completed BE (Engineering 4 years) — Points described in Australian site 15
Work experience : 8 years in System administration (IT Infrastructure) — Points described in Australian site 15
Note : I have band 6 in all four of IELTS.

I am planning to apply for 189 visa and the minimum requirements are met if the above is correct, but one of my friend recently told me that when EOI is submitted. The Australian government reduces 2 years of work experience if the work is related to Information technology or computers. Is it true ?
if the answer is true, then what are my options ?

I would be very thankful if anyone can help me in this doubt.



Russel July 15, 2015 at 7:01 pm

Education and work experience points are given by the Assessing body.
So do not assume that if you have a degree, the assessment body shall automatically assess it to be equivalent to an Australian Degree. It may be recognised as a diploma.
The awarded points will change depending on the assessment results given by the assessing boy


Amith July 8, 2015 at 3:07 am


I need a clarification.

I had applied for eoi in the beginning of june. I was working in an organization then. Next week, I left the organization. I joined another organization on july 1st. I got an invite for visa on 4th july. However, I missed updating by last working day and new job in EOI. Do you suggest I wait till this invite expires and re submit EOI or go ahead with the same invite?


Fariha July 6, 2015 at 5:52 am

Hi, I have submitted my EOI and selected Queensland as my preference for 489 visa sub class. After 3 days, i got a reply from QLD migration to submit other details. Now I find in new CSOL lists that South Australia do have my occupation in their list. My question is, now if I change my preferred state from QLD to any state so I can proceed with both the states, will it effect my application with QLD?

Another question: I have submitted the EOI with three years of experience but Vetassess have assessed 2.2 years as positive experience. How much years should i add as my experience in my EOI?
Waiting for reply n Thanks in advance.

Best Regards,



Russel July 15, 2015 at 6:51 pm

You may apply to South Australia, but you will nto be allowed to apply for both, you need to make a choice before paying the fees. And mostly states do not responsor if you have a change of mind.

If Vetassess says 2.2, it means your experience in the EOI should be 2.2


RBS July 6, 2015 at 5:08 am

For my husband he is applying for 187 visa under direct stream.and im his dependent. We arent sure if his current work is the same with csol requirement as we arent assess yet. It is not on sol either. And do we have to pay again for new listed occupation say changes of occupation?


Russel July 15, 2015 at 6:48 pm

You need to find a MARA agent.
Yes you need to pay for the assessment if you do a wrong assessment the first time


Navdeep July 4, 2015 at 3:03 pm

Hi, Can someone tell me that at which stage the points for age are locked? I mean to say that do they block the age at the time of filing EOI, State sponsorship or at the moment we file for Visa application.If some one crosses the age bar after filing for EOI, what will happen
In addition to this can some one tell me that how much time ACT takes to reply for State sponsorships


Russel July 4, 2015 at 11:24 pm

The points get locked only at the time of invitation. At this stage the EOI gets locked for a 60 day period.
If you are not invited after filing the EOI and you cross the age bar you will get points as per your present age.
States take their own time to reply for sponsorship based on their needs


Navdeep July 15, 2015 at 5:13 pm

What does invitation means here. Does it mean the grant of state sponsorship. Actually I have attained my skill assessment. I am waiting for the revised list of ACT. Can someone guide me that what is the next step.


Navdeep July 15, 2015 at 5:17 pm

What does invitation means here. Does it mean the grant of state sponsorship. Actually I have attained my skill assessment. I am waiting for the revised list of ACT. Can someone guide me that what is the next step. need more explanation on Invitation


Russel July 15, 2015 at 7:05 pm

Invitation is an email you will get in your registered email id, stating ACT is willing to sponsor you if you meet their requirements.
ACT will state the required documents they need, once they are satisfied they will sponsor you.


karan bhasker June 29, 2015 at 5:02 pm

Hey Russel!

Thanks for the quick response. Your initial reply was soothing, however the latest one has again put me in an iffy. My occupation code is 141111 i.e. cafe or restaurant manager and I have applied for subclass 489 in Northern Territory. Have submitted all the necessary documents as informed to u earlier and then we finally receive a mail which quoted
“The Migration Programme planning level for the Skilled Nominated category now has limited number of places left for the 2014-15 program year. This means processing times will be longer and that once the remaining places are used, the Department cannot grant further visas in this category during this programme year.”
Iam very sure that my documents etc. are all authentic and in accordance with the requisites of the state. It will be helpful if u answer 3 questions in this regard:
1. Is such a mail that i received (after submitting all the docs including form-80) sent to all applicants or is it my case only?
2. How often are applications rejected on the basis of updation in SOL? Does it really happen to applications in such a fag end of completion?
3. What date does the new list arrive? Is it 1st July generally?
If you could also find out what are the chances of my occupation 141111 to stay in the new list, it would be of immense help.
Im sorry to bother you with so many questions which would also seem annoying to you, but im standing at a very crucial juncture and so am really worried. It would be extremely comforting if you help me with accurate facts which im sure is a bit burdensome for you.

Many thanks,

Karan Bhasker


Russel July 4, 2015 at 11:15 pm

1. When there are many candidates under the same ANZCO code or visa subclass, it is common to get this letter
2.Visa applications can be rejected on many grounds such as forgery, insufficient evidence and most crucially is the skill not being in demand in Oz any longer
3. Generally the new SOL is uploaded in July, so check the website regularly.


Karan June 26, 2015 at 3:00 pm

Hi Bob
I hope you can help me.
I have submitted my visa fee (489 skilled visa) on 9 May’15.
Since then I have received an email to submit medical, PCC and form 80. I have submitted the medical and PCC in the end if may and submitted the form 80 on 18 June.
My consultant asked the status of the application at the immigration office and they have replied that due to limited number of visa left for 2014-15, the process will take longer time and they can not provide timelines.
I guess they update their list in July.
What if they will not consider my apllication in July based on new list or would they carry forward my application?
I m really concerned.
Hope you can help


Russel June 26, 2015 at 4:38 pm

Hi Karan,
You have paid the fees during the year when the skill was still on the SOL. So you need not worry.
The timelines are no longer followed unfortunately although the immigration website states they do.
All you can do is wait patiently.
I know its difficult, but things take their time to fall in place. If the documents are in order, hopefully you will hear from them soon


Karan June 28, 2015 at 11:39 pm

I hope they would respond soon.
What they clearly mentioned in their email is as below-

The Migration Programme planning level for the Skilled Nominated category now has limited number of places left for the 2014-15 program year. This means processing times will be longer and that once the remaining places are used, the Department cannot grant further visas in this category during this programme year.

What do think now they will do even though I have submitted a fee and provided all documents . Can they change their skill list and cancel my application or would they consider it ?


Russel June 29, 2015 at 2:17 pm

Yes it just means you will get your visa in the next programme year (July 2015 to June 2016)
Your fees do not guarantee you a visa. It is an application fee.
Check out the new SOL which will come out in a few days.
and yes, they can change the skilled list and reject your application if your skill is not required in Australia.


Russel June 29, 2015 at 2:22 pm

sorry, was still typing when I hit the submit button by mistake.
Besides rejecting applications for malpractices, and insufficient evidence, the only other time applications are rejected is when the number of applicants in a certain visa category/skill code is too high compared to the actual requirement in Australia.


himanshu June 16, 2015 at 3:05 pm

I am Ship’s officer and having a problem in filling EOI.
I have got my assessment done from AMSA and they are stating 6 years of work experience but when I fill ,it comes out 41 months(3.5yrs of sea time) with which I am not able to claim 60 points. I have worked for 5 different companies as a freelancer. My contracts variate from 3months on and 2 months off or at times 3 months on and 8 months off.
I tried to contact MARA agents but they are unaware of the correct filling procedure.
If anyone can help me out in filling work experience in EOI asap will be highly obliged.
Thanks in advance.


Russel June 16, 2015 at 3:43 pm

Hi Himanshu,
I guess you work in the oil and gas/marine industry.
The problem is the AMSA assessment and DIBP are very different.
And I understand your problem because I work in oil and gas.
The problem is if you are a contractual employer your time would have to be as per the contract period (e.g.of 3 months or 2 months 8 days etc) because you need to provide evidence of the same.
This is a common problem in the oil and gas/marine industry for contractual workers. If you are a permanent employee the system works differently.
The way I see it its better to put your experience as 41 months rather than put it as 6 years because if you cannot provide the required experience/documents to back it up, you could lose your visa fees.
Good Luck


Himanshu June 16, 2015 at 4:36 pm

Hi Russel,
Thanks for the prompt reply.
I have sent email to my companies and have asked for the contacts if they can provide. The only hitch is that I have not been paid for the OFF period. I hope it should not really matter.



Eva June 9, 2015 at 7:20 am

Thanks Bob!

Yeah, I guess this is a fairly specific problem that probably not many people have come across but maybe there is somebody out there….




Eva June 7, 2015 at 9:21 am

Hi Guys,

I wonder if somebody can help me out here… I’m about to start my skills assessment with the AITSL as a secondary school teacher and I’m looking to obtain a ‘skilled employment statement’ as well, both to support my Skilled Independent Visa 189.

I have been working in the chosen field (as a teacher) for the last 10 years, however, only 4 of it full time, the last 6 years part-time (19.5 hrs). For the years of experience to be taken into consideration and to gain points, one must have worked at least 20 hrs/week which I only did during my first 4 years.

Does this mean that they will only consider the initial 4 years (giving me 5 points only) and completely disregard the last 6 years? Is it possible that a difference of 0.5 hrs will totally wipe out my last 6 years of teaching??? Whereas if they accepted all 10 years, I would be getting 15 points…

Thank you.



BobinOz June 8, 2015 at 8:03 pm

I’m not sure this is a question that anybody can answer Eva other than AITSL, unless somebody reading this has been through the same sort of scenario.

Has anybody got any experience of this?

Hopefully somebody might be able to help you out, cheers, Bob


Prashanth June 6, 2015 at 7:08 pm

Hi i have applied for the EOI last month and now i want to make an update to the EOI. If i do will it effect my processing time.

And how many times can i update my EOI. Previously i have done it once so will i be alble to update my EOI another time.


Russel June 7, 2015 at 2:13 am

You can update it till the time you get an invitation. Processing time starts only once you have got an invitation and have paid the fees.


john June 6, 2015 at 6:22 am

Hi Honney! Does anyone know if is required to have IELTS in order to express of interest nomination Visa?


Russel June 7, 2015 at 2:15 am

Almost all visa applicant need to do the IELTS or the equivalent to apply for the EOI.


LS June 2, 2015 at 9:26 pm

Just wondering if you could advise, nearly 10 years back I got a PR on skilled visa refused based on untrue documents on work experience but all other documents were true, now I wish to apply as second applicant to my wife, we are at main application stage, wondering how will my past application effect to the new one, there could be some change to the documents I previously provided, will there be questions on my previous documents



BobinOz June 3, 2015 at 3:48 pm

I’d be surprised if it does affect your current application, but I really can’t speak on behalf of immigration. Only they can truly answer this question, but I hope your application go smoothly.


Zig June 2, 2015 at 7:11 am


Is having a baby together with a partner considered as a sufficient proof of de fact relationship required to apply for subclass-189 visa? No marriage is registered and no other proofs can be provided (i.e. no joint bank accounts or agreements).
The only proof is birth certificates of 2 children with both parent names on them.

Did anyone come across this situation?



BobinOz June 2, 2015 at 9:04 pm

My understanding is that you need to prove you have been living together as if you were married for more than a period of 12 months. If your children are more than 12 months old and both parents names are on the certificate, that will certainly help.

Only DIBP can decide though whether it’s enough proof as I believe they usually like to see joint bank accounts, or joint rental agreements/mortgages, anything that proves living at the same address together for a minimum of 12 months.

Hope that helps, but if you are unsure, please do consult with a MARA registered migration agent.

Good luck, Bob


Nirali May 28, 2015 at 12:38 am


I have completed ACS assessment and PTE cleared. I will now be applying for EOI. I had a query about the invitation to apply. Ideally we have to apply within 60days of getting the invitation but what if due to some circumstances I am not able to apply within that time? EOI will get cancelled, but then will I be able to file a new EOI after it or is there some waiting period or any other rules to file a second EOI.



Russel July 17, 2015 at 12:06 am

After 2 months the EOI gets unlocked and you can be invited again. In the worst case scenario (eg. a wrong entry filed in an EOI which is locked or an EOI which displays entries incorrectly) you are allowed to file a new EOI, but its always better to contact the Immigration Department before you do that.


Atiq May 27, 2015 at 9:37 pm


I have submitted my visa in March and was rejected on May 19, 2015. Reason was, ACS I submitted was an expired one.

So I re-applied for my ACS and I got Positive assesment again. At the same time on May 08, 2015 I was invited again for Visa Apply with my Old EOI (with Old ACS Report). Can I use this invitation to launch my new visa application with my new ACS. Will that be OK with CO ?



Russel May 28, 2015 at 3:14 am

Hi Nirali,
If you don’t apply in the 60 days the invitation will be withdrawn. You can reapply using the same EOI account. There is no waiting period.


Russel May 28, 2015 at 3:25 am

Call up DIBP in Australia, or email the consulate or embassy in the country you live, and mention the EOI number and inform them about the old & new ACS issue.
If they say its ok to file the application with the new ACS, you can go ahead and do it.
If they say no, you just need to withdraw the application and apply with the new one.
It is better to be delayed now, than to be delayed later on after paying the visa application fees.


Maddy May 27, 2015 at 3:27 pm

Hi Guys,

I have been nominated for “EMPOYER SPONSORED VISA – SUB CLASS 186”. Does this Visa also requires skills assessment?



Amit May 27, 2015 at 12:46 pm

Is there anyone with 60 points including NSW sponsorship 5 points who has got invite from NSW?


vindu akbal singh May 21, 2015 at 11:02 am

Hi there…. im a nursing student and looking to complete my studies end of this year but i do work in an aged care as a carer and its a permanent position…just wondering if i have to still show the requested fund 10k to 15k to be physically there in my acc when im lodging the visa application or would it be fine for me to show proof of income and bank statement? Thanks


BobinOz May 21, 2015 at 6:55 pm

That’s a question for a MARA agent, it’s not a question I can answer. See my notices above.


I want to do alone May 21, 2015 at 10:27 am

An immigration agent-MARA asked me AUD$ 4.896,00 to lodge a 189 visa application. Is that common??


BobinOz May 21, 2015 at 6:53 pm

No, it is not unusual for it to cost that much.


BobinOz May 21, 2015 at 11:50 pm

Hi I want to do alone

Just an update on this. I spoke to my MARA agent to see what his fees are currently for this.

It’s $800 for skill assessment advice where the applicant does the skill assessment and he advises from the side-lines, or $1800 for handling the whole skill assessment.

$800 to prepare and lodge the EOI (including a review of all your documents to confirm the points test proof).

$2550 (less $100) to prepare and lodge the visa application.

So in answer to your question, if it is ‘just’ lodging a 189, the fee is $2550 in which case the fee you have been quoted is rather high.

If, on the other hand, what you are getting includes basic skill assessment and advice, help with your EOI preparation and the lodging of the visa application, all in it would come to $4050 if you did it through my agent.

If, on the other hand, your agent is offering to handle the whole skill assessment for you, not just give advice from the sidelines, then you haven’t got a bad deal. My agent’s fees would come to $5050, so a tiny bit higher than what you’ve been quoted.

If you are currently in Australia, GST will need to be added.

You will notice that there is a ‘less $100’ mention in there, that’s because if you want to use my agent, and I suggest you do if it’s going to save you money, then it all starts with you going through the Visa Assessment which costs $100.

If you then go on to appoint my agent to act on your behalf to lodge your application, that $100 is refunded against the fees he charges.

Hope that clears it all up now, good luck, Bob


Ravi May 15, 2015 at 8:05 pm

Hi I have filed for EOI but my visa is expiring in 10 days time…I am expecting my skillset application (ICT business Analyst) to be picked again starting July 1. Can I take a course and be on student visa to buy time?


Russel April 22, 2015 at 6:02 am

HI Sopi,
1. The Medical Exam is mandatory, and I have been informed on paying the fees you get the reference number which can be used to do the medical examination. However the case officer does provide you the ID number as well once (s)he is assigned.
2. You do need to show funds. This is approximately A$10000 to A$15000/- for the year. ( if you have dependants/family, this amount shall increase). The good thing is DIBP does not emphasise that funds should be in the bank for a minimum duration. But they do want to know you shall be able to survive by yourself and manage your expenses.
Hence as evidence you could be asked to provide tax returns, contract letters, payslips, bank statements etc
Good Luck


Sopi April 22, 2015 at 6:38 am

Thanks Russel for a prompt reply.

1. I realise that medical exam is mandatory. However, I am not able to understand whether it should be done before applying or can it be done after application. I assume, from your comment, that I can do it after CO provides a reference number.

2. Do i need to have those funds in my account at the time of application? Also, I am unable to find any official documentation or fixed numbers regarding this. Can you please help me with any pointers?


Russel April 22, 2015 at 8:19 am

Regarding the funds
Yes you do need to have the funds at the time of application.
The states do mention the funds you need to have. I know you are applying for SI 189. But you still need to show the funds.
So you can check the WA or Queensland immigration page for a better idea.
Good luck


Sopi April 22, 2015 at 4:57 am

Dear Bob,

Firstly, can’t thank you enough for maintaining this site so regularly. The content you have created and keep updating is a tremendously helpful.

Before asking my question, heres some background:
– I am planning to apply for an Australian visa (Skilled Independent – 189).
– I have completed my skills assessment (ACS)
– I have proficient english language test score (IELTS)
– I have submitted an EOI and have also received an invitation to apply from skill select
– I was able to find answers to most of my queries online thanks to you and other helpful people like you on expat forums.

Now that it time to actually submit my visa application and pay the visa charges, which is quite a significant amount for me, I want to be sure about everything. I have documentary evidence for all the data I have provided in EOI and in the visa application but I have following 3 queries:

1. Medical test: I have answered ‘Have you had a medical checkup in last 12 months’ in the visa application for with a ‘NO’ and am under the impression that I need to get a medical checkup only after a CO is assigned to me and (s)he suggests me to do so.

2. Funds/Cash: I came across some discussions which mentioned a ‘Proof of funds’ for visa approval but could not find any clear reference regarding the same on skill select or’s document checklist for 189 visa. Do I need to provide evidence for a ‘minimum amount’ of money being in my account for a minimum duration (currently) to get a visa approval? If yes can you please shed more light on the same and/or point me in the right direction to get these details?

Please let me know if you can confirm/deny or correct the points I have mentioned above.

Once again, thanks a ton for all the information you have collected (and sorry for a very long comment).


Kumar Vaibhav April 12, 2015 at 5:46 pm


This is a great post! And very informative comments and answers!

I just have 2-3 very simple questions –
1. My points for EoI are coming out to be just 60. Is it recommended that I apply now or after 1 year when my experience will be more? If I apply now, can I apply/update my EoI when my experience is more and hopefully that will increase my EoI points also?

2. I can apply for my EoI now but my IELTS score is expiring after4 months. So, is it okay that while I fill EoI application the score was valid but probably not valid when they pick the application to be processed?

Thanks & Regards,


BobinOz April 13, 2015 at 2:02 am

I am specifically unable to give this kind of advice, see my notices above, but many of my readers have made useful comments here about the process suggesting that EOIs can be added, updated and withdrawn at any time to adjust to your situation.

Have a quick scan through some of the comments here and I’m sure you’ll get a good idea of what to do.

If you have any doubts, speak to a MARA registered migration agent.

Good luck, Bob


Russel April 22, 2015 at 6:08 am

The answer to the queries are
1. If 60 is the highest score in your group in the invitation round, you shall be invited. However if others have a higher score than you, you shall not be invited.
Generally EOI’s can be updated, unless you have been invited for a visa and the EOI is locked because of state sponsorships etc.
2. The IELTS result must be valid on the day of applying for the visa (paying the fees). If not the application will be delayed infinitely.


Cuc Tran April 8, 2015 at 12:11 pm

Hi Bob.

I just received my skill assessment from IPA for External Auditor. My reference number is QAIF: 23***.04-15/2****4

When I put the whole string into EOI, it couldn’t get through since the website says the maximum length is 20. My reference number is obviously more than 20 characters.

I dont know now what I should do. Can I obmit the letters QAIF and just enter the numbers? I am just afraid it is not the right thing to do. I rang IPA to ask them but they said they cannot provide me any advice on this matter :(

Thank you for any idea on this.



BobinOz April 8, 2015 at 6:53 pm

I don’t know, I’ve never actually filled one in. Hopefully someone else reading this will give you an answer, but if you don’t hear back in a couple of days, I would try what you have suggested, it’s the only option that would seem to make any sense.

Good luck, Bob


Russel April 22, 2015 at 6:12 am

Just enter all the numbers. Leave the QAIF.
The skill assessment letter needs to be uploaded on applying for the visa, and DIBP will look at the letter and get it verified.


farina March 22, 2015 at 9:04 pm

My name is Fareeba,I have launched my expression of interest on 2nd March,2015.My profession is ICT Business Analyst. What should I do to speed up the process for expression of interest?
My Points are below mentioned.
Visa 189:60
Visa 190:65
Visa 489:70


ami March 9, 2015 at 7:35 pm

hi I did my certificate III and cert IV in patisserie , which was completed in 2007, I worked for Michel patisserie as pastry cook from 2005 to 2008. I lodged the application for TR in sept 2007 which was approved in oct 2008 , but at that time I was out of Australia in my home town country, so that time my Mara agent told me that if I don”t come till that date they they will reject my application, so then I decided to withdraw the application.
now I want to apply again for the pr/tr , I have one confusion thai is my TR assesment is still valid or I need to re apply everything again.


BobinOz March 10, 2015 at 7:05 pm

Your approval was over six years ago, so I would imagine it has expired by now, but you really should be reconnecting with your MARA agent to double check, only MARA agents are able to fully advise on this.


Farook March 6, 2015 at 10:59 pm

Hi Bob,

My ACS skills assessment was cleared in Jan 2013 and the EOI was lodged in Oct 2013 under subclass 190. Unfortunately, I have not yet received visa invite. My consultant says that since it is well over 2 years since my ACS was cleared, I will have to go through the entire process all over again. Is this true? Pl advice.

Many thanks,


BobinOz March 9, 2015 at 1:23 pm

Is your consultant a MARA registered migration agent? If so, I would go with what they say, they know far more about this process than I ever will. Good luck, Bob


Farook March 9, 2015 at 1:36 pm

Thanks for your response Bob. My agent is not registered with MARA. To make things worse, he does not have the intent to know the process and guide the clients. Well, I cannot blame him as I’m at fault for not having done my due diligence before signing up.

It will be great if some one here can help me with my query. Of course, my immediate action will be to talk to a registered agent and avail guidance to proceed further.

Many thanks,


Farasat Ali March 5, 2015 at 9:35 pm

Yesterday I have appeared in the medical examination (IOM as per Australian Immegration directions) and today i have also submitted the police clearance. Can you guide me that what is next stage for me and how much more time would be required further for visa issuance.

Farasat Ali


BobinOz March 6, 2015 at 5:09 pm

That’s usually the last stage, so it’s all down to waiting now. We received our answers about four or five weeks after submitting our medicals and police record checks, so hopefully you will not need to wait long. Good luck, Bob


Sarabjit March 4, 2015 at 8:56 pm


I was about to submit my EOI. One question popping up in my mind is ACS has assessed my diploma eqv to AQF. With obvious reasons they did not consider my Non-IT qualification. I have degree from University of Delhi. Please advice me shall I mention this detail in EOI?

Thanks for time.



BobinOz March 5, 2015 at 4:47 pm

That’s not a question I can answer, I simply don’t know what would be best to do, hopefully someone who does know will pop in here and give you their view. Good luck, Bob


Russel March 5, 2015 at 5:59 pm

Hi Sarabjit,
Since ACS has not considered your non IT qualification, I would recommend not entering it in your qualifications, because you could be accused of intentionally and wrongly claiming points at a later stage which might result in rejection of the application.
Good Luck


Lulu March 4, 2015 at 2:40 pm

Hi Bob,

Thank you once again for your prompt replies. I have asked the agent if he could inform the state authorities via email. I just wanted to do that – in order to be proactive once i noticed the error.

Let’s see how it goes along. It all a waiting process from now on :-I




BobinOz March 4, 2015 at 8:56 pm

Yes, all down to waiting now, hope you don’t have to wait too long. Thanks, Bob


Lulu March 24, 2015 at 11:27 pm

Hi Bob,

Just wanted to let you know that i got my visa invite on the 19th of March. I am currently working with the agent on checking the visa application and paying the fee required.



BobinOz March 26, 2015 at 12:14 am

Yay! Great news Lulu, getting that invite is a big step, hope it all goes well from here on in.


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