10 Reasons Why NOT to Move to Australia

As you saw from Wednesday’s post, the OECD has found Australia the best country in the world to live in. But that is not an opinion shared by everybody.

For some time I have been working on a post called ’10 Reasons Why NOT to Move to Australia’. When I say “working on”, what I mean is I have had the idea, created a notepad with the title and every now and then, when I think of a reason, I add it to the list.

In three years, this is as far as I have got…..

1. Your favourite hobby is history/archaeology.
2. You are allergic to golden sandy beaches.

That’s it!

But where I have struggled with this, a guy called Fred has had no problems in compiling his list. Fred contacted me recently via my YouTube channel with a request for me to allow his video as a “video response” to one of my videos.

I emailed Fred back and told him what I would really like to do is a feature post about his blog, even though I did not agree with a single thing on his website. I also explained I would very likely be taking the Mickey out of what he has said and asked if he was okay with that. I also mentioned that I could not work out whether his website was serious or a complete joke.

Fred replied he was happy for me to go ahead and also said “My website is just a tool to make prospective migrants know some facts before making their mind. I am just trying to do good here. Don’t forget that I mentioned that I have met some good people in Oz as well. To me the main problem was nature, not people. So the only fix was to leave. Wish you a good life in Oz.”

So, he is up for it and, apparently, his website is serious. So let us get stuck in.

On occasions  I have been accused of looking at Australia with rose tinted glasses. I have never really understood that idiom, but I do know it means I only (apparently) see the best side of this country.

Well, here is Fred with his view which is surely the worst side.

10 Reasons Why NOT to Move to Australia

What I am going to do here is run through each of Fred’s 10 points, summarise them in my own words and give you one short Fred quote from it. But to get the full flavour of Fred’s wonderful website, you really should visit it for yourself and read it all.

It’s only a one-page website and will take you less than 5 minutes and that includes pauses for laughter. Here goes…

1- UV Radiation

Apparently, to protect ourselves from these dangers, those of us here in Australia have to avoid the sun, wear long sleeves and trousers, big hats, slap on the sunscreen every couple of hours and wear dark glasses.

Mooloolaba Sun AvoidanceWell, I’m not buying that one.

It is not just us people who suffer either, according to Fred “Trees look sad.”

2- Pests

Cockroaches, snakes, rats and spiders are mentioned here and Fred feels that not even pest control can stop “the spider from building its home so quickly every day. They can’t stop it from checking your mail…”

Spiders checking my mail?

3- People

Fred’s general opinion of Australian people isn’t good. A top contender for best quote in this section was where he mentions the likelihood of being attacked with glass or something. But my favourite sentence of them all was the one just after he mentions having met some highly educated people who he thought were normal. He continues “However, the rest of them are divided into old people and young people. Old people are OK because they can’t fight!”

4- Cost of Life

Fred thinks Australia is expensive. He has some ideas why this is and explains it with this…. “One reason behind it is that the government pays for babies.”

5- Location

It is not just Australia is a long way away from so many other countries, but even getting about within Australia is tough because there are “not enough gas stations either.”

6- Health Care

sickOur health care system is funny and dental costs crazy. Waiting times are too long; expect to wait all night at ER. And, according to Fred, “Some small service centers are at par with developing countries.”

7- Roads

Bad, bad, bad roads! Roundabouts everywhere, even on the highways. You must visit his website if only to find out about our terrible roads. As he says “I have seen better roads in many places except Srilanka!”

8- Education

Universities are public and everyone studies for free, apparently. But the bad news is they are not safe and, according to Fred, you will probably be raped at night. Which leads me to my favourite quote from this one. “Of course there is no punishment or law.”

9- Housing

aussie houseBad, bad, bad housing! Houses are old and badly maintained because people want to spend their money on drink instead. But that is not the real problem with houses. No. There is a government conspiracy. According to Fred “Actually the government forbids new buildings so as to keep the price high, but the quality drops!”

There is a lot more information on Fred’s site about the housing, and I know I have already said you must visit his website if only to find out about the terrible roads. But now I am thinking, maybe you should only visit his website to find out about the terrible housing.

Hey! Why not visit his website to find out about both?

10- Crime

In Australia, teenagers attack old people all the time. It is a risk to go out at night. These teenagers get money directly from the government. And if you think all that sounds horrific enough, as Fred says, “There is no arrest, no law enforcement, nothing!”


So there you have it. 10 reasons why not to move to Australia according to Fred. I don’t agree with any of it. Having said that, I think Fred’s site is as funny as any I’ve seen. So I thank him for making me laugh.

But this really is just a very brief overview of his 10 reasons; Fred puts it so much better than I do. I highly recommend you pop over to his website and take a few minutes to read and digest it all.

Fred also gives a bonus 11th reason which I won’t reveal here. So why not go to go to NotAustralia?


No point in clicking that link anymore, Freds website was taken down by the hosts. Last time I was able to click through, I saw the following message…

“We’re sorry, this site is frozen.
If you are the site owner, please contact our abuse team regarding the status of your website.”

Seems we weren’t the only ones who found Freds opinions offensive 🙂

Here’s his video:

No it isn’t.

Update 2: Fred removed his video from YouTube and explained why in a comment on this very page. You can see that comment somewhere below, a long long way below, underneath all the other yummy comments. Look for one by Fred sometime in June 2014.

Now, for those of you who can’t sleep at night worrying what that 11th bonus reason was, I’m going to reprint it here.

From the now taken down Not Australia website, this sums it all up really…

11- Bonus reason!

Most of Australia is dry and there are a lot of bush fires and house fires. An additional reason is the abnormally high intensity of sun radiation which makes this risk even bigger. Sandstorms come from the desert as well.


Please feel free to add your views and comments below, but do be aware that bad language and swearing is not allowed on this website. I thank you in advance for your cooperation.

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  • Angus September 4, 2016, 3:10 pm | Link

    I live in Aus and these reasons are fake if u live in Sydney or Centeral Coast And Wollongong.Teenage people don’t attempt old people they don’t attack unless u steal their skateboard then ur dead.Secondly we don’t have to wear long sleeve pants and tops we all have tans exempts for baby’s.Thirdly our structures are safe all toilets clean and new we have made lots of progress with structures.And medical treatment is not a lot if u have madicate which every Australian has for themselves and kids
    That is all meh reasons.

    • BobinOz September 4, 2016, 11:30 pm | Link

      I think it’s fair to say that these reasons are also fake for everyone living in Australia, even those not in Sydney, Central Coast or Wollongong.

      And Angus, I won’t come anywhere near your skateboard, promise 🙂

  • Lea August 24, 2016, 3:56 pm | Link

    Hi Bob,

    I like your blog, I believe many people do. I believe those who read your blog feel secured to send their queries and doubts. So as me.

    My daughter is 11years old now, she is going to year 7 next year. I would love to arrange her to Adelaide study if possible.

    My worry is will she be downgraded to year 6 in view of her age study in Australia ? Can she study in public school as a foreigner ? I am a homemaker, am I to be her dependent during her schooling there? How do I get PR if I dun have job there. My husband is in media publishing business, he will not come along in the beginning years, so that how much do I have to prepare for the school fee and living cost per year by living in Adelaide?

    Also, can you link me to related link that I can get more assistance from your services.

    Looking forward to hear from you soon. Great day ahead to you.

    • BobinOz August 24, 2016, 9:01 pm | Link

      Yes, these are questions that need to be answered by an expert in this field. May I suggest you have a read of my page about Student Visas and get in touch with the expert there for answers to these questions.

      Full instructions are on the page.

      Good luck, Bob

  • kevin August 22, 2016, 12:07 am | Link

    From my standpoint, someone who have been reading forums about how difficult it is getting use to the culture in Australia, I decided to leave my job and move to Sydney to experience it first hand. Well, what can I say? Students coming to Australia speaking only broken english and work their way up and became a branch manager. Some tempted the employer to underpay them, so they can land the job. I know, its the mentality that as long as they can land a job, that is all that matters. They won’t think about long term effect or anything else but themselves. There are also those who genuinely plan to migrate to Australia for better lifestyle (so they were told). Its pretty frustrating when days passes and no one seems to appreciate (or even bother) your skills that you can offer to the country. It is just so hard to understand why, it defies logic why doesn’t employers hire (or even call for an interview) candidates that have all the qualifications and qualities over someone who barely been in the industry for a year, or to be more obvious, someone with local experience. To be concise, you will hear the same excuse (a loop to be precise) it’s either you do not match what the employer requires (instead of saying you are over qualified) or you simply do not have the local experience. Well, yes, exactly what the employers are saying, that a one year fresh graduate with one year local experience is more suitable in performing a job compared to a ten to twenty years experience professional that just migrate to Australia. Now all the facts has been laid infront of me (which I believe, some might argue that it is untrue, and they have experienced differently… Obviously, because there is no way to generalised the whole of Australia…), stay, do something about it and stop complaining OR point out how horrible this place is and leave (realistically, why stay if it is really that bad?). In the end, choices that is made are not always the best for everyone. If it didn’t work out (haven’t work out for me at all) then, too bad and figure out what do we have to do to blend in, networking, study a short course and apply for internship (internship… yes… but with good capabilities, very sure will be at a managerial / senior executive position in a year or two) or whatever is best. I might not understand what specific individual might have gone through and may find what I am saying irrelevant or offensive, I apologise in advance. To me, whether a place is liveable or not, depends on respective earning capability.

    • BobinOz August 22, 2016, 4:22 pm | Link

      Your comment is clearly all about the difficulty in finding a job here, but I can assure you it’s not just new immigrants that are struggling to find work in Australia, these days many Australians born and bred are having the same trouble. See…


      Yes, it’s true to say that many employers say they are looking for ‘local experience”, but there are also many employers who don’t care about that, they are happy to choose the right person to suit the needs of their company whether they are newly arrived in Australia or not.

      Australia is not the only country where work is hard to get, so I don’t think we can singled this out as an Australian thing.

    • Tim August 22, 2016, 5:58 pm | Link

      Yes Australia is ok but the people are nasty as hell in ragards to most people, just remember an a** hole that drives a white Range Rover with QLD rego R** *** or T** *** QLD rego number plate he is a coward but once approached will get frightened.

      • BobinOz August 23, 2016, 4:38 pm | Link

        I have edited some of your comment Tim for obvious reasons, but I’ve left as much of it as I can online simply because it is so ridiculously funny on so many levels.

  • William August 14, 2016, 12:42 pm | Link

    The expense and Australians in general. I assumed that Aussies were essentially ‘Brits with funny accents’. How wrong was I? They’re much more akin to Americans…..ones from Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana.

    I’m fed up paying $10 a beer, lack of urgency with everything, lack of humour, lack of culture, lack of manners, lack of decent internet/mobile service and lack of living in 2016. This place feels like 1986 compared to just about anywhere else I’ve lived.

    • Daniel Black August 14, 2016, 3:23 pm | Link

      I totally agree with you about “paying $10 a beer (opportunistic rip-off), lack of urgency with everything (it is highly bureaucratic), lack of humour, lack of culture, lack of manners, lack of decent internet/mobile service and lack of living in 2016”. These are the most of the most obvious to my eyes for many years of living and studying in Australia!

    • Linda Ding August 22, 2016, 6:33 pm | Link

      What the hell are you doing? Prancing in the outback? If you want to experience Australia, how about you go to place where there are actual people?
      In all my years of living in Australia I have never experienced a single thing you said. Australia, as well as being traditionally Aboriginal (a 40000 old culture, one of the oldest anywhere), Australia is a culturally diverse country with people from everywhere.
      We cost a lot for beer because we have a lot of stupid people in stupid road accidents and we are trying to tone that down. How about you stop buying beer instead of blaming us for the high beer prices.
      The only purely racist people are our versions of rednecks (which by the way live way out in the outback) our corrupted politicians. Which we ignore because they can be easily pulled down.
      We were the first to invent Wifi and we gave to the invention to everyone else so don’t chastise us about bad internet connection.
      Finally, may I just say how rude it is to assume we are ‘Brits with funny accents?’ You obviously do not know anything about the British and assume they are tea-drinking scone-munching earls when in reality, they are the America of Europe. if you actually know what ‘Brits’ are like than you wouldn’t have been disappointed. Don’t come to us expecting biscuits and tea revolutions and get mad when we can;t lve up to your expectations.

    • Robert September 13, 2016, 9:42 pm | Link

      I agree about lack or urgency. Have you ever tried having a parcel delivered? It will take almost a week for something to be delivered from Sydney to Melbourne. This is mostly because the delivery drivers could not care less and like to knock off at 3pm to go to the pub. They don’t care because they are on union wages and are protected.

  • Firefly August 1, 2016, 4:09 am | Link

    I’m Canadian, but have lived in Australia for two separate 6-month stints (once to study, and one failed attempt at a working holiday – let’s just say the holiday part went better than the work part). I’m married to an Aussie, and it looks like a move back over there may potentially be in the works as he’s graduating and looking for a job.

    And, well, obviously this guy’s being overly negative about some things, but I can understand some. I can tell you that one thing I love about Canada that you can’t have in Australia is the ability to go outside for more than 10-15 min without risking sun damage to your skin. I learned this the hard way the first time I went there – it was February, and that being winter in Canada, I didn’t have sunscreen & figured I’d just buy it there. I spent about an hour and a half outside walking to the mall and back, and in that time, I got a sunburn on my lower back so bad that it blistered, I could barely move for a week, and I had tan lines for like 2 years (no exaggeration). The strong sun and the heat are definitely reasons one may not like many parts of Australia (personally, if we do move there, I’m hoping to end up in Victoria, where it runs a bit cooler).

    The pests can be a legit reason to not like it as well. I can’t say I’m a fan of having to watch for cockroaches if I get up in the middle of the night to use the bathroom… or finding dead ones in your coffee machine…. or finding them in the suitcase you accidentally left unzipped on the floor. And spiders, spiders everywhere. I hate spiders, but I got used it, I guess. That doesn’t mean everyone will.

    Also, I actually laughed out loud about the bit where he said you were more likely to get attacked with glass. I used to go out dancing & for karaoke nearly every weekend, and I can honestly say that in the 6 months I studied there, I saw more fights involving broken drink bottles than I had seen in my entire life back in Canada (which is to say, I had never actually seen one in Canada, despite going out just as often).

    One thats’ not on the list that drives me nuts is that restaurants won’t split bills for your table, which is annoying, PLUS it results in you needing to carry cash all the time… and the fact that many houses don’t have proper heating can be a pain, cos it does get chilly in the winter.

    That said, there are lots of lovely things about Australia. Criticizing the people isn’t really fair – true, I found their culture to allow for more bluntness and value outgoingness much more than in Canada, which can take some getting used to (especially if you’re more introverted or sensitive). But it’s not really the end of the world. And I’ve met very many friendly, kind people there, many people who have been really open and welcoming.

    And living in Canada, there are things I do miss about Australia – walking along the beach and looking into the tide pools, all the cool birds and lizards, the abundance of flowering trees, cheap groceries at Aldi, and the widespread availability of good, cheap Thai food 😛 The lack of a 6-month winter is nice (I like winter, but where I live, it does last about 5-6 months, and often gets down to -30 or colder).

    I guess there are good and bad things about every place. Australia is no different.

    • Tom August 1, 2016, 9:39 am | Link

      I like apples

  • crikeym8 July 29, 2016, 1:55 pm | Link

    Well if so many dont like our 100% water and sewer quality, first world food quality, first world medical , first world legal and first world economic systems then we also have a first world ” get the … remainder deleted by admin.

    • Daniel July 30, 2016, 6:33 am | Link

      Well, people have different opinions! I believe that nothing lasts forever! Do you ever think that your superior attitude will bounce back to you one day? I’ll leave it to life from now!

      • BobinOz July 31, 2016, 9:46 pm | Link

        Crikeym8, you may notice that I’ve deleted the final two thirds of your comment. I know it must be frustrating for an Aussie who clearly loves this country, as I do as well, to listen to people who have come here from elsewhere slating it and putting it down.

        So I fully understand your desire to defend this country, you have that right, just as people have the right to say what they don’t like about Australia. What I don’t allow though, under any circumstances, are racist comments and that includes any comment that offers the advice of ‘go back to where you came from’ as you have, albeit rather more bluntly.

        Please feel free to defend Australia in these comments whenever you want to, but do always be sure to comply with my comment policy.

        • AussieNot July 31, 2016, 10:14 pm | Link

          Comment deleted by admin.

          • BobinOz August 1, 2016, 12:51 am | Link

            AussieNot, I’ve also deleted your comment, mostly for being repetitive and boring.

            You appear to have a hatred for Australia and Australians that is borderline racist, so if you wish to continue commenting, you’ll need to pull your head in. It might also help you to understand how we roll here if you were to read my comment policy. You do not have the right to pigeonhole all of the Australian people based on your limited experiences.

            This post has been up for some five or six years, it has over 600 comments, by and large we’ve managed to keep it lighthearted and jovial. It would be nice to continue on that way going forward, without all the hate.

  • AussieNot July 23, 2016, 7:14 pm | Link

    I wonder if Oz is becoming the new USA where people who live there are told they live in the best country in the world. The rest of the world believed this about the USA for decades. And then you visit there and you see how behind the USA is in everything. USA is an awful place to live with a low standard of living. Now Australia was probably great post WWII to the mid 90s. If you are a white male looking to make money etc. So my message is stop believing the BS. Australia is far from the best place in the world. Those days are long gone.

    • Swede July 31, 2016, 2:03 pm | Link

      I am a born and bred Aussie who lived in the USA for most of the past 25 years. Back in OZ for a while to look after my very ill sister. I have never experienced the low standard of living you speak about. All my children have had quality tertiary education and now have professional careers. We have a very nice (larger) house we built in 2008 for less than what you would pay for land in most outer suburbs in Australia. Food is much cheaper and we found health care to not only be great but also not expensive (despite what the media may tell you). Great natural wonders and beautiful places to visit. I live in the Rockies among some of the best snow on earth. If you visited the USA and found a low standard of living, you probably didn’t get out of LA. Get out and see the real USA.

  • AussieNot July 23, 2016, 1:05 am | Link

    I can easily give 10 reasons Not to live in Australia. We migrated when I was 7 and I basically got the hell out as soon as I could. Back to Europe for me. Sorry but Australia is a very rough place. Backward culturally. Racists. Expensive. Closed minded. I’ve lived in Australia most of my life and been to 30+ other countries so I have a fair idea what I’m talking about. A good place to migrate to in the 70s to make some money. Migrating there now is nothing short of financial and cultural suicide. Forget it.

    • Daniel July 23, 2016, 6:45 pm | Link

      Hi AussieNot
      Even though not all people are the same, I somehow agree with your opinion. Australia is beautiful but… I am not really sure about big cities like Sydney/Melbourne (I found people in Sydney very rude though), but in my place (Darwin), asians are not really respected and most decent jobs are given to white australians. I think its different everywhere!

      Yes, Australia is no longer a place to earn to money like it was in the past. I guess most people think Asians/other nationalities came here to take all their jobs for lower pays.

      If it weren’t for my parents and the money they have lost to my study here, I would have escaped it a long time ago. To me, Australian education is just satisfactory!

      • AussieNot July 23, 2016, 7:18 pm | Link

        You have to keep in mind that Australia is one of the most racists countries on the planet. The White Australian policy is for all intents and purposes alive and well. Not the best place to live if you are a woman too. Though most of the Aussie women are more masculine than the males in Europe.

        • Michael July 23, 2016, 10:24 pm | Link

          For a while now I’ve been looking for a way to get out of Sydney and possibly Australia all together ! Everyone around me seems to be happy telling themselves lies rather then dealing with reality !
          Everything is expensive, working 40+ hours a week is just enough to pay bills … I don’t want to spend the rest of my like in this rat race .. and I’m 25 now so better take action now..
          Any advice, tips on how to get out ?

          • BobinOz July 24, 2016, 8:29 pm | Link

            I’m confused by your question Michael, ‘tips on how to get out?’ Is somebody holding you captive? Are the authorities preventing your freedom of movement?

            As far as I am aware, anybody with a valid passport is free to leave this country whenever they want.

            • AussieNot July 24, 2016, 9:30 pm | Link

              Michael here are my tips.

              1. Start up your own business which you can run from anywhere
              2. Find a place where you don’t pay any taxes
              3. Find a place where buying a house doesn’t require you to sell your soul.

              Australia doesn’t provide #2 or #3. You will make and save millions by following the above steps. If you are out of Australia 6 months of the year you don’t have to declare your worldwide income. I left Australia in 2007 basically penniless. Now I own a few homes, have no debts and can basically retire at age 47. I do live in the best country in the world and its definitely NOT Australia. I did have thoughts about taking my family to live in Australia but then found out the government wants to charge me $8000 AUD for the my wife’s visa. Stuff that. I also realized I don’t want my kids growing up in such an aggressive environment. My kids are sweet and will stay that way.

              • Michael Habib July 25, 2016, 6:31 pm | Link

                True no one is “holing me back” but it’s not easy to just pack up and leave ..
                For a while I’ve been cutting down on clutter (after reading http://www.theminimalists.com/ ) and doing some research on countries to move to and costs ..etc.
                I have few skills I can rely on; I’m a website & graphic designer ; I’ve exp in Form Work and Cunstruction ; and exp as a Barista doing all kinds of Latte art .. I’m also willing to learn new things and get my hands dirty so making money shouldn’t be a problem.
                My main concerns are:
                – Which countries should I move to ? somewhere with cheap lands, low/no tax, English used as 1st/2nd language and no laws restricting migrants from buying land and/or property… If I can find this, I will be out of here by the end of the year .. my things are packed .

                • AussieNot July 25, 2016, 6:44 pm | Link

                  You might want to look at Spain as land is very cheap and the cost of living is very low. You will need to pay tax on worldwide income however. The UK is another option as they have a non-dom status for worldwide income. If it needs to be an English speaking country I don’t think you’ll have much luck. Low tax countries include Uruguay, Panama, Caicos Islands (English Speaking), Bahamas (English Speaking), Cayman Islands (English). Most of those are zero tax.

                  • Berto August 12, 2016, 12:38 am | Link

                    Hi AussieNot,

                    I don’t get it. As a Spaniard that is trying to take the opportunity that my company is giving me to live and work in Australia your comment comes as a surprise. Land in Spain cheap? Where? Spain is only cheap in places without good jobs. Don’t forget our low wages, long working hours and expensive housing! C’mon, what Spain are you referring too? Should we discuss unemployment in especial for people under 30s?

                    I’m trying to move to a country where my children have a good opportunity to live… and here in Spain is not easy at all.

                    • BobinOz August 12, 2016, 9:21 pm | Link

                      Berto, AussieNot has clearly had a bad experience here in his view, rest assured though, most people who come here end up loving it. If you are moving over here with your company, I assume that means you have a job to come to, so that’s the biggest hurdle taken care of.

                      I’m sure you and all your family will have a great life here in Australia. Good luck with your move, Bob

                • Frank July 25, 2016, 11:49 pm | Link

                  Well, I never thought that I would recommend this. But what about Texas, USA? The housing is very affordable and taxes are extremely low. Plus jobs are plentiful. Of course, there’s the gun culture and backwards right-wing thinking (republican Trump lovers). And there’s no single-payer health care system. Either you have to get a full time job that will give you insurance ( that they deduct from your paycheck), or get on Obamacare. But overall, it should be quite affordable for you to live there.

                  • AussieNot July 26, 2016, 12:50 am | Link

                    USA is an interesting choice and yes Texas would be a good option. Plenty of Internet related jobs etc. There is no obligation to take out health care right? Just fly back to Australia if you have something major. I lived in Florida for a couple of years and can tell you the service side of things is amazing. Amazon alone is enough for me to want to live in the USA. The restaurants in Dallas are amazing. Not sure how you would go getting a visa into the country though. The other option is to live the PT lifestyle and stay only 3-4 months in each country.

                    • Frank July 26, 2016, 1:35 am | Link

                      Well, if you were to find a full time job, your health insurance would be provided by them, via a deduction from your salary. Otherwise, unfortunately, Obamacare would be mandatory to have. That is part of what has made it so controversial. They’ll get you at tax time if you’re not signed up to Obamacare. But I believe it’s about 1-3% of your yearly salary. But yes, Texas has excellent food. And the best Mexican food in the US! And you’re also correct about Amazon. My wife is an Australian citizen, but we have both decided to stay in the US because she’s a self published author and uses Amazon to sell her books. Plus the Internet is much more advanced here in the US than it is in Australia. At least that is what she’s found when we were thinking of moving to Australia at one time. It was more feasible and cheaper to just stay here.

                    • AussieNot July 26, 2016, 4:31 am | Link

                      I think you made the right choice Frank. Being able to order basically anything online and have it delivered to your door the next day is amazing. It will never happen in Australia. The prices of goods and services in the USA is also significantly lower than Oz. Just about everything is better in the USA though the yanks love Australia too. They’ve bought the marketing spiel. Oz is a great place to visit don’t get me wrong. To live there though? I’d put it at about #25 behind a lot of other countries.

                    • Frank July 26, 2016, 8:54 am | Link

                      To have stuff delivered quicker you have to move to Amazon. Lol. I hope you’re able to make the big move soon. You could probably get a working visa and eventually work your way to become a permanent resident or even share dual citizenship with Australia.

        • Firefly August 1, 2016, 4:28 am | Link

          “most of the Aussie women are more masculine than the males in Europe.”

          That’s funny – a friend of mine had that exact same sentiment; he wanted more of a traditionally-feminine lady and had a hard time finding one. I can’t say this sentiment is untrue. But whether or not it’s so bad or not is really a matter of personal taste, I think.

          • BobinOz August 2, 2016, 12:43 am | Link

            Yes, I know what you mean, I thought Nicole Kidman was a bloke until somebody pointed out that she is actually a girl. Who knew?

        • john August 7, 2016, 7:54 pm | Link

          Jesus Christ this whole website is deluded. Why are you saying ‘everyone’ is a racist, that’s like saying Muslims are all in ISIS which they obviously not, the people that join ISIS are just extremest.
          Where’s the respect why do you have to make this page about how bad Australia is what about the positives, ever think about that.

          • BobinOz August 8, 2016, 5:17 pm | Link

            John ‘this whole website’ comprises of (currently) more than 1300 pages, maybe you should read some of them before you ask if I’ve ever considered the positives.

        • Hello August 11, 2016, 5:34 pm | Link

          The White Australia Policy was outlawed in the 70s. That was 40 years ago, in case you didn’t notice. 40 YEARS! I immigrated to Australia when I was 11 from Vietnam and was never subject to any racism whatsoever. Australia is a very accepting place and, at school and university, my peers wanted to learn about my culture and were fascinated by it and always respectful to my beliefs.

          • LastTime August 11, 2016, 5:56 pm | Link

            Wow I’ve NEVER heard of an immigrant having an experience like yours! They wanted to learn about your culture? I almost fell off my chair. I have a lot of Asian friends and for the most part they are the butt of jokes etc. I’d say you got lucky.

            • BobinOz August 12, 2016, 9:03 pm | Link

              Well LastTime, a.k.a. AussieNot, now you HAVE heard of an immigrant having a wonderful experience here. Incredible, isn’t it?

              Maybe your experience isn’t representative of all of Australia after all.

            • Mike August 13, 2016, 9:32 am | Link

              I think it depends on where you live and what you are doing, and if you are making fun of your asian friends or at least sitting there doing nothing about it or laughing along then you are part of the problem rather than the solution. I have lived in the US, be under no illusions parts of the US are horrifically racist, UK too, sadly I must say the least racist country I lived in was Bahrain not enough expats for people to exclude based on race. The locals were a different story Indians, Malaysians and Filipinos in particular were seen as the lower service class regardless of actual position and not worthy of respect. Tax was however low, English widespread.

  • ruby July 22, 2016, 11:48 am | Link

    australian houses are not bad
    and all of this information is lies

    • AUSTRALIA LOVER July 27, 2016, 10:45 am | Link


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  • Mark July 4, 2016, 10:15 pm | Link

    Incredible First off I should perhaps complain to you Bob Let’s face it Fred and some of the others would as I should have done some work about an hour ago but I started reading this and Im still reading it so in line with some characters on here Id be justified complaining I have not done my work. Before anyone thinks Im serious, reading some on here they might think I am. This is compelling reading this bit Jillaroo summed it up I think, but how so few can misread things misinterpret is incredible. Still that’s what keeps me in a job generally the odd bit of stupidity. Before anyone mucks this up anymore. This site Bob In OZ is about helping people come to Aus Fred on the other hand decided to try and put forward reasons for not going to OZ so Bob in the interest of free speech put his comments on here but its only one page, the rest of this website is about helping people get to OZ, Most it seems got it but a few didn’t and Id hate anyone else to not understand. Bob is only allowing someone else to say why not to go to Aus Those reasons why not to go seem inadequte. But just like Brexit from those in UK …Cameron gone Boris gone Farage gone Oh and Roy Hogson That would surely count in Freds eye of another incredibly related reason not to go to Australia Now this place in all reality is not the be all and end all as in Utopia If you find that let me now me an 200 million others will be there. In Australia the land is not free neither is the water but the weather the atmosphere the civility is. Houses are affordable living is affordable and salaries are good and I speak with experience of living in USA West Coast, Holland, UK and travelled extensively. This is a whole bigger website than this page.with some comments verging on the lunatic. If you are looking at coming to AUS do not read this page and judge its the website Its Not.

    • BobinOz July 5, 2016, 1:03 am | Link

      As I am sure you probably noticed Mark, I went to great efforts to explain in the above post that these were Fred’s thoughts, not mine. What I have realised, and learnt, since making this post in 2011 is that a lot of people don’t read everything, they skim read.

      So they ignore all the first boring bits without pictures and headlines and they start to engage (in the example of this post) after the nice bold orange headline about 10 reasons not to move to Australia. For that reason, they believe it has been written by me.

      What I hadn’t counted on though, is how much amusement that would give me. I love Australia, I wouldn’t want to live anywhere else, and yet we have a situation where many people think I hate the place. And I find that hugely amusing?

      No, I’m not sure why either, but I don’t think that matters, as long as I’m smiling 🙂

      As for Cameron, Boris, Farage and Hodgson, thank you for everything you’ve done for Britain/England, but please don’t come to Australia.

  • Jen June 27, 2016, 3:27 pm | Link

    OZZY AND PROUD! Good and bad in every race. In no way could I be racist, I work as a chef, with all ethnic backgrounds. It’s simple I hate everyone equally lol. Love AUSTRALIA MATE!! 😅😅

    • BobinOz June 28, 2016, 1:27 am | Link

      Yes, correct, good and bad in every race. It really is that simple.

      Good on ya Jen 🙂

  • Chris June 26, 2016, 8:04 pm | Link

    Australia is only good in comparison to developing countries. As a 30 year old who was born in Sydney from immigrant parents all I can say is Australia is not good and not bad. The problem is the people are rude arrogant selfish with a colonial imperialist character. Not only ignorant dumb white Australians who know nothing about other cultures. But also other sneaky annoying Ethnic groups like Aboriginals or white Aboriginals who are desendents of the stolen generation who tend to be the rudest in Australia along with the arrogant recently arrived English, Irish and Scotish, then the decades ago Italians, Greeks, Lebanese, Turkish and the self hating Indians and Asians. All the ethnic groups I have mentioned above have slightly different characters from each other but all are considered unethical and disloyal when dealing with them as they are using false manipulative superficial attitudes when going to there business or when wanting something from you. As for the roads yes they are bad in comparison to other developed countries because of the weather and dodgy road workers not doing there job properly as an excuse to do the job again to earn more money. As for vehicle drivers driving with loud exhausts and four wheel drivers who like bullying people on the road they are all coward vehicle actions and they are not tough or intimidating at all. Other than that such as the people and racism. Life is very expensive in Australia especially Sydney were nearly all your income will get wasted on rent or mortgage, food, fuel for vehicles and income taxes. On top of that it depends who you are such as your ethnicity and which area or city you live in order to enjoy Australia. Generally Europeans in Australia have life very easy and comfortable by experiencing little or very minimal amounts of racism. But non Europeans such as Indians, Asians, Africans, Lebanese and other non European Ethnic groups experience life harder than people from northern European backgrounds who have settled in Australia. My adivce come to Australia for a vist only but don’t live here it’s not that pleasant or enjoyable.

    • BobinOz June 26, 2016, 11:31 pm | Link

      You complain about racism in Australia, and yet your comment is about the most racist comment I have on this entire website. That’s quite an achievement, I think I have somewhere between 30,000 and 40,000 comments here at the moment.

      This thread just gets better and better. Thank you for adding to the entertainment.

      • Mike August 13, 2016, 9:48 am | Link

        I was assuming that Chris was being sarcastic, otherwise he has labeled all Australians but himself as racist I laughed the whole way through. Housing though is a sad sad state of affairs for people that are hell bent on living in places like Sydney. I feel for those people, when friends in Sydney tell me their 2 bedroom apartment cost them $650,000 and its great because it only takes 45mins to get to work..I do the rough calculation for 650,000 I could be living in a 6 bedroom house on the river front sipping my morning coffee on the back deck watching the river until 8:25 and still get to the office by 8:30 at which point I can wonder about the next trip I can go on with the money I had left over from buying the place that wasn’t a 2 bedroom Sydney apartment. Seriously on the racism front though, it’s all through the world, the problem being that an upper class Indian doesn’t notice it because it isn’t directed at them in India, a Chinese person in China doesn’t notice it because in China it’s directed at others.

        • BobinOz August 14, 2016, 6:42 pm | Link

          If Chris was being sarcastic, then yes, his comment is very amusing and well worth laughing all the way through. Unfortunately though, my suspicion is he was being deadly serious.

          Totally agree about living in Sydney, obviously some people are drawn to it, but for me it represents everything I moved to Australia to get away from. I live about 30 minutes drive from Brisbane CBD, yet I live in a large detached house more or less in the countryside for much less money than you have mentioned here.

          Sounds like you have found yourself quite a sweet spot as well.

    • Frank June 27, 2016, 3:46 am | Link

      I guess I would be affectionately referred to as a wog in Australia. At least that’s the term my wife and her family used to describe all non-Anglo Europeans. My dad is from Napels and my mom from Sicily. But in all seriousness, I’ve never exerperiemced any type or racism when I’ve been to Australia. My only disadvantage perhaps is just being American and having to explain George W. Bush or our gun epidemic. I’m sure if we are foolish enough to elect Trump as president, I’ll have to explain what the hell is wrong with us again.

      • BobinOz June 27, 2016, 11:54 pm | Link

        Well, I’m glad to hear that you haven’t experienced any kind of racism here in Australia, but I’m not surprised you’ve been given a hard time over George W Bush and I think it could get worse if The Donald gets in.

        That really would take some explaining 🙂

  • clorax bleech.... June 24, 2016, 10:01 am | Link

    hay….. you need friends. i havnt seen more inaccurate information since i saw an article on how donald trump supports Mexican massaging.

    drink me

    • clorax bleech.... June 24, 2016, 10:14 am | Link

      no literally, but seriously this is stupid

  • Daniel June 19, 2016, 7:38 am | Link

    After 4 years studying in Australia, I have come up with a conclusion – What makes me dislike Australia is the “Australian attitude” that most white Australians are having. As they don’t care about the outside world, they believe they’re superior to any other races/nationalities. I would say that they don’t know they’re taking everything for granted.

    Nethertheless, some Australians have been very kind and helpful to me and I really appreciated it. Not everyone is the same, actually.

    It’s true that Australia has a free healthcare system, higher salaries and cheaper education for local students (it’s a debt to the government though).
    As people rely on free healthcare, they don’t usually keep a health lifestyle with the belief that hospitals/doctors will fix everything for them. The higher the pay is, the more expensive your living costs become. I am pretty sure that Australian qualifications are not globally recognised like those from UK, US & Canada. Apart from wealth, the level of innovation and technology is quite limited.

    For me, free healthcare is not everything. If I am meant to get sick and die, no healthcare system can save me. However, I want a potential career and development. I want to live in an exciting culture, and travel. If I can choose to migrate to a country that I want, it will be England (London) or Canada. Definitely not the boring Australia.


    • BobinOz June 19, 2016, 11:54 pm | Link

      No innovation in Australia? Here’s what Brett Courtenay had to say about that to somebody else who thought the same.

      You may also like to read my post on Australian inventions…


    • Mike June 20, 2016, 8:51 am | Link

      UK has free healthcare….so suffers from the same problem you have indicated Australia suffers from. Australian qualifications are recognised overseas. As long as you get them assessed. Just like people coming from the UK, US and Canada get their qualifications assessed for many occupations here. Of course if you go to some private college or one of these new educational facilities that have turned up to make money of the uninformed..those aren’t even recognised in Australia. One thing I miss about being in the UK is travel, cheap travel.

    • MC June 21, 2016, 7:28 pm | Link

      America is the most obese nation, they no free health care, so it has nothing to do with healthcare but the culture of eating habits. Japan and Italy for explain have a much healthier and thin population. Yes, your qualifications are recognised and are linked with UK Universities and others. I’ve yet to meet some one who isn’t somewhat chauvinist about their race/ethnicity/nationality/sexuality/height/hair colour/etc…, but if you mean outright racism, I can’t say I’ve particularly seen any epidemic. And lastly Australia is just a nation with a small population and is young, so it’s innovation is dwarfed by nations like near by Japan who have over 5 times the population.

  • Boat June 17, 2016, 3:53 pm | Link

    I totally agree with what you wrote BobinOz. I went to High school and Univeristy in London for many years before I decided to move to Melbourne. I know I should not compare the cities but they both are totally incomparable. I visited Sydney Last month but still…. did not like it that much. I am Asain and being not racist here or anything but Australia is basically China, especially in Sydney. just being trustful. For me. I am kinda feeling like living in China but spending my living cost in London. Now I am doing postgrad in Melbourne but not sure if i would like to leave the country before. And its not only looking alike China, There are so many things i find not worth living in Australia.

    • BobinOz June 17, 2016, 7:51 pm | Link

      I think what you are actually saying Boat is that you agree with Fred. The 10 reasons why not to move to Australia were all thought of by Fred but just presented by me here for discussion. Fred said some strange things, but I don’t think he said that Australia is basically China.

      Maybe I can add that to the list is another reason?

  • Gemma June 15, 2016, 11:07 am | Link

    OMG. what is this crap. you have never been to Australia or you would know that it is fantastic. i am now 43 years of age and I am currently a brain surgeon. Australia is a wonderful country and has way more positives than this guy is mentioning. It is ridiculous how some people can be so jealous of a wonderful country you rude ignorant person!!!!!

    • Frank June 15, 2016, 12:53 pm | Link

      While I’m not disagreeing with you, I’m pretty sure that being a brain surgeon would give you a wonderful life in most first world countries.

    • Daniel June 19, 2016, 5:35 am | Link

      I agree with Frank. You feel awesome with your life because you’re a brain surgeon. If you’re me or someone else, well… Not sure if you can be proud like that. In this case, being extremely lucky really counts…

      • BobinOz June 19, 2016, 10:47 pm | Link

        You do not get to be a brain surgeon by being extremely lucky. It takes a lot of hard work. What doesn’t require any work is being a whinger. Anybody can do that, for example you, or someone else, with no effort whatsoever.

        • Daniel June 19, 2016, 11:19 pm | Link

          Hi BobinOz
          So you believe that hard work will always lead to success?
          And you think I have never made any effort to become better in life?
          Thanks for your advice!

        • Frank June 20, 2016, 3:01 am | Link

          While I appreciate the faith you have in all of us, I don’t believe that just anyone can become a brain surgeon. Of course, I’ve never tried, but a person needs to have a very high degree of intelligence to become one. It’s not rocket science..but…. perhaps it’s close to or equal to it. 🙂

          And speaking for myself, I would do anything to move Australia. To me the affordable healthcare, and actual gun control where there is not a mass shooting everyday like there is here in the US makes me want to pack my bags and move. But my wife, who is an Australian citizen, is a independent and published author. She says the Internet technology in the US makes it easier for her to get her material published. So I guess the Internet technology in Australia is lagging a bit behind?!

      • Mike June 20, 2016, 8:43 am | Link

        I am glad I am not a brain surgeon, long hours, high insurance..sure the pay is good but I like my time off. I have a great life in Australia, sure my house isn’t massive, that comes in a year or two when my wife and I upgrade. However I don’t know that luck has much to do with it, unless you are saying being born intelligent is luck but that is really more genetics.

    • Moga September 12, 2016, 10:34 pm | Link

      I smell a rat here. As far as I know ‘Brain’ surgeons don’t call themselves brain surgeons. They call themselves ‘Neurosurgeons’. Gemma, are you sure you are a ‘Brain Surgeon’.

  • Will June 3, 2016, 2:24 pm | Link

    Obviously you haven’t been to Australia, next time write a better website about how your a retard and next time sound more believable.
    P.S. Go to Australia and you will see what it is like

    • BobinOz June 3, 2016, 9:37 pm | Link

      Well, I’m not sure who you are talking to Will, but I write this ‘website’ and I’ve lived in Australia for eight years now. Fred, on the other hand, who contributed the content to this single page on my website maybe did or maybe didn’t live here, we will never know.

      But that’s all part of the fun.

  • Zadah Wakefield May 31, 2016, 6:39 pm | Link

    This is absolute crap! I live in Australia and I am soon attending the worlds second best university in SA and let me tell you it’s sure not free ! And if your worried about radiation , Australia has never ever had any dangerous radiation mistakes as we don’t even have any power plants here , are housing is in credible !! And amazing ! In fact we have the second best houses in the world!! , you can’t get any better than the Adelaide hills and the Murray river a stud golden coast !! Don’t trust this website it is soooooooooo untruthful , Australia is a gourgeous place . The only bad thing is how hot it always is 🔥🤔

    • BobinOz May 31, 2016, 8:29 pm | Link

      No, this is a wonderful website, full of lots of great, truthful and positive information about Australia. It’s just this page, but then if you had read it properly, you would know that. Never mind…

      • MB8626 September 16, 2016, 8:51 am | Link

        I would like to build you a wall…a brick wall…all of your very own….so you can openly and whole heartedly bash your head on it every time a comment gets uploaded that proves the page, nor your website, has been read, mulled over or digested completely!
        You have the patience of a saint, in this deluded messed up and haphazard world of internet forums/comment sessions.
        Keep strong! 😁😎

        • BobinOz September 16, 2016, 8:29 pm | Link

          Thank you, but any chance you could pad that wall? It’s just that I think I might use it quite a bit, and padding would make such a big difference. 🙂

  • Shaun Favell May 28, 2016, 4:40 am | Link

    I think think that it is very important for anyone consider moving their lives to Australia to consider both sides of the coin. This site is very informative, but is also often heavily biased in favour of Australia, which is fine as long as people perusing realise that.

    I, and many others, found Australia not not be the Utopia many would have had us believe it is, and since leaving nearly 18 months ago have continued to research the pros and cons of returning, and still find Australia to be less attractive than the UK in many ways. I even developed a scoring system that gave 3 points for the UK, 0 for Spain, and -8 for Australia. Look around the net, there is a ubiquitous amount of quantitative data that can be found, for example Australia does have one of the highest costs of living in the world, and Numbeo rates the quality of living in Brisbane lower than in Sheffield, and interestingly rates the climate in Southampton better than Brissy too. Before I get berated on these points, please realise that there are horses for courses, and although many of you may prefer the hot humid ozone-less climate of Australia to the UK, many others don’t, and there’s a fair chance people viewing this site deliberating won’t either.

    My own observations working in health care saw more violence, more drugs, and a worse health care model than the UK, despite it having more money. Criticism of Australia (even constructive) from anyone, especially a non-Australian, is not welcomed at all so unless you want to say Straya is awesome, keep stum. I got slammed badly for suggesting that KFC in both countries (UK and Oz) was junk food, and whatever you do, don’t criticise the chocolate no matter how bad you think it is.

    While Australia has many positives that have been explored ad infinitum here, please realise that it also has many negatives. If Australia was such an obvious Utopia it wouldn’t have such a significant skills shortage despite a declining population growth since 2009.

    I think the case in point is this: There are Brits in Oz that wouldn’t go back, and there are Aussies in the UK that wouldn’t go back neither. There is no clear cut best for anyone, and I urge anyone considering Australia to also look hard (if not harder) at the negatives and make an informed decision that is right for you, and only you.

    Good luck!

    • Frank Accardo May 28, 2016, 2:07 pm | Link

      We were considering a move to Australia, as my wife is an Australian citizen. But the housing is way too expensive, and therefore, unaffordable to us. Sad, because we love everything else about Australia. But we have to be realistic. We can get five times as much house in the US, for five times less. Don’t get me wrong, we love that there is actual gun control and affordable healthcare in Australia, but what good is that if you don’t have a roof over your head?

      • BobinOz May 30, 2016, 2:51 pm | Link

        Shaun – Yes, I think it’s very important for anyone to consider both sides of the coin as well, that’s why I set up this website; to help people make an informed decision. You say my website is heavily biased in favour of Australia, it’s not, it is influenced entirely by my opinion and experiences since moving to Australia from the UK.

        If there is something I don’t like about Australia, I write about that, it just so happens that mostly I really like this country. What you will also find on this website are thousands and thousands of comments where everybody, like yourself, is free to offer their opinion just as you have done here. And you are entitled to your opinion, same as I’m entitled to mine.

        Frank – I think it’s a little bit of a stretch to suggest that housing in Australia is that much more expensive than it is in US, unless, of course, you’re talking about house prices in Detroit :-). I can currently buy a very large four-bedroom detached house in a Brisbane Metro suburb for around $500,000 (and for much less than that if I want to go rural), are you really suggesting that you can buy a house five times as big as that for the equivalent of around (at current exchange rates) $72,000 USD?

        I really don’t think so.

      • Zadah May 31, 2016, 6:46 pm | Link

        If your wife is an Australian citerzen than she would have a house there so you could just live with her !! This is also crap!!

        • BobinOz May 31, 2016, 8:31 pm | Link

          Every Australian citizen has a house in Australia? Really? That’s marvellous!

        • Daniel June 19, 2016, 5:45 am | Link

          Hi Zadah
          I hope you know what you are saying. It’s possible to have a house in Australia but not anyone can afford it right away. Most of us have to work really hard for years (even 20 years or more) to pay for our mortgages. However, it does not mean houses are available to everyone. Australia is not utopia/heaven. I hope this helps with your understanding 🙂

        • Frank June 20, 2016, 3:40 am | Link

          So it’s that impossible for your mind to comprehend that my wife, who’s from Australian, and is still an Australian citizen, lives here in the US with me? Zadah?

  • someone May 17, 2016, 2:26 pm | Link

    Dont move to australia then you heartless doggs

  • Jillaroo May 8, 2016, 9:20 pm | Link

    Bob, I’ve got to tell you. About midnight (UK time) last night I came across this post (had read it before however not the comments in any particular detail). There I was, a good hour later under the covers (to not wake the husband) trying to snuffle out the smirking noises, giggles and right out roaring laughter at the comments.

    I adore how so many posters mixed up your/Fred’s comments and the arguing that ensued. The rip roaring laughter however sprung loose and echoed across the town when I read about the about the kangaroo eating the “rosses” and getting wombats stuck under the car.

    Seriously, who needs therapy. Just spend an hour reading the comments and laughter is all you need.

    Seriously funny.

    • BobinOz May 10, 2016, 12:09 am | Link

      Yes, therapy, I think you might be onto something. I was definitely feeling a bit down when I (with the help of Fred) wrote this post, but since then, I’ve been really really happy 🙂 This could be big. I need a name for it though, something that will catch on, maybe ‘The 10 bad things’ technique?

      There are some real corkers in here, as you say, the kangaroo eating the “rosses” was a classic, but it’s even funnier than that, because he actually got “wonbats” under his car. I missed that the first time I read it.

      But my favourites are when people make ridiculous comments about Australia and then post again using a different name to agree with themselves. I’m thinking of Barberode/Henry along with possibly D.Graham and Candy/Mali. Great fun. And that so many people think I am Fred just makes it even more amusing.

      This is, without doubt, my favourite comment thread on the whole website. I’m glad it has tickled you as much as it tickles me Jillaroo.

      Cheers, Bob

      • Jillaroo May 10, 2016, 12:59 am | Link

        That’s the thing with the internet…. you’ll always find someone who disagrees, or agrees and anyone can almost post anything they wish to. Majority are keyboard warriors with nothing else to do!

        I think your website is great. You don’t have to defend your enjoyment of Australia to anyone and it’s great to see someone from abroad making a great life for themselves and their family out there. Here here to more of it.

        With regards to people using different usernames .. don’t they realise you can see their IP addresses! heh heh… just shows the ‘keyboard warriors’ complete idiocy.

        • BobinOz May 10, 2016, 9:50 pm | Link

          That people do disagree about so many things does make the world a much more fun place though, and people using different usernames makes it even more fun. Here’s to those warriors with a hat tip to Fred who is a leader in that field 🙂

  • Ned April 21, 2016, 10:41 pm | Link

    You said not to swear, so I have to keep this clean. This despite the fact that you left out “swearing” as one of the reasons not to move to Australia… cos we love our swearing.. Now: this has been one of the most ridiculous articles I have ever read… I can’t believe that some people actually took you seriously…

    • BobinOz April 22, 2016, 7:07 pm | Link

      The verdict is still out as to whether Fred was serious or not, I don’t think any of us will ever know for sure. Of course, I’ve asked him, but why would he give me the right answer?

  • Ashleigh April 21, 2016, 6:16 am | Link

    Bro, there is not A SINGLE university in Aus which is free. It’s a similar system to the US and UK, you have to pay thousands of $ in tuition, but you take out a HECS loan from the government, once you earn a certain amount then it’s automatically taken out of your wage. It’s not cheap like American universities. A cheap Bachelor of Arts can easily go over $30 000 and this is at a public not well ranked university in the Brisbane suburbs. If you go to a higher ranked one, say in the top 10 in the country, or a private one, expect to rack up a looooot more. This is just in the social sciences – one of the cheapest degrees, business, engineering, environmental science and even education can be a loooot more. The highest I’ve heard of is an aviation student having to pay $120 000 for his bachelor at a not well known university in the forest, imagine if it was ANU. And a masters degree? expect around $20 000 or more for just a year of study at any university.

    The rape thing as well depends on the university location and they don’t usually occur on campus but near the university as they walk home – day or night. This is generally because there are a lot of nature trails (that may be shortcuts home) but due to Australia’s small population they are not as frequently visited as a foreigner may assume so all sorts of things happen (also where many murders occur). Universities are often proudly beside national parks if they have quality environmental studies or want to be seen as a ecological uni. Others in the city could be near bad areas of cities, such as the University of Sydney is next to Redfern (not the safest area). The uni’s themselves have security guards and cameras, and tend to be safe at night (idk what happens if you walk around at 3am though, but why would you want to?).

    As for schooling children, yeah thats free, but you still have to pay for the manditory uniforms, text books, sometimes computers, and general school fees for the use of equipment in certain classes, such as cooking equipment or wool for sewing in home economics or the borrowing of equipment for sports.

    And I don’t know where this Fred guy lived, but while he’s right about our medical system being a bit weird (but quite similar to Europe), and yes you will have to wait all night in the ER if you have a headache or a cold (because this is a waste of time for doctors when you can take paracetamol), but a broken leg or painful chest will be seen within the hour, our medical facilities, experience and level of care is among the best in the world, and I encourage anyone worried about medical treatment to not worry about this, they are legit super professional, have painfully high standards for nurses and doctors, and are usually up to date with the latest technology. This of course costs you a lot (and I mean A LOT), but its very high quality.

    Teenagers attacking people? yeah so this happens in the lowest socioeconomic suburbs where teens dont finish school, have bad parents and have a drug addiction and a couple of kids before their 16th birthday, but this is an extremely small percentage and is anything but the norm. Where on Earth did this Fred guy live? The most bogan area’s of the country? Teens are more likely to help elders cross the street than push them. And yeah some of these teenagers do get money from the government, the ones in poorer households, and its a very small amount, which many parents expect them to pay rent and public transport (super expensive) with, or the parents just steal it.

    the comment about the people being aggressive and wanting a fight, dont even get me started, I ask again, did he live in the most bogan community in the country. Australians are big teddy bears, unless they’re drunk.

    The housing? again, did he live in the land of bogan?

    The gas thing is legit….if you don’t live in a city, which majority of the population do, while our train and bus infrastructure sucks, we have a large widely used, frequent and successful plane network. Otherwise yeah this point is right

    The one about the pests is dead on too, though in winter there is some respite unless you live in the north.

    and man the UV thing, you get burnt walking 10 minutes to the bus stop or train station, that sun is no joke, stay at home.

    Life is horribly expensive… you get a good wage compared to other countries, but for the cost of living its not enough. Australia is a country where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer or leave.

    • EllyMae July 27, 2016, 1:29 am | Link

      Just to correct you on the cost of university in the USA: the actual average cost is closer to $30,000.00 per year as the majority are designed for students to live on (required for first year students) or around campus and not at their parent’s home. (The numbers on the internet typically don’t include these extra cost that is required by the majority, they sugarcoat it by only averaging out tuition and “fees” for all institutions giving more of an apple to orange comparison.) Add to the ridiculous 4/5 year system that other countries do not have and you are looking at approximately $90,000 on average for a 4 year degree or more if extended beyond that. This design adds greatly to the overall cost! A $30,000 overall university education sounds like a dream to my wallet, what an amazing savings I would have had with my daughter’s education, ha! The dynamics in the Australian university system are much better for students being able to get a good start after graduating for those that need federal loans. Our student debt load (bubble) is overwhelming our system and students that can’t afford to pay them off! I’d say that’s a plus for the Aussies Fred!

  • Prab April 20, 2016, 12:32 am | Link

    It’s been a year since my arrival here. I arrived here with a job and have jumped to another even without a residency at the time.
    I like how Australians play it down in general.
    What am happy with and what really bothers me?
    I’m happy with the culture of exchanging ideas on what to do over the weekend or how to barbecue the meat. I love it whenever we all have drinks and chill out. I love the nude beaches. I love it when people use gender neutral language such as partner instead of wife/husband. I love the way people give importance to fitness. Just because there’s free health care doesn’t mean that people eat away high calorie food. In fact, it’s the contrary. Free health care promotes people to be healthier. The environment is more collaborative than competitive. People have never asked me what religion I follow, which is a very common question asked in America.

    What I don’t like?
    A colleague told me he found a house in a certain suburb. I asked him if the owner was Asian. Instead of saying that the owner is Caucasian, he told me that the owner was Oz. This mentality of tagging Oz as Caucasian is what most people are insensitive about. Now, don’t ask me why I asked if his owner was Asian!
    The cost of healthy products are much higher than unhealthy ones.
    If an article is spreading on social media about the benefits of avocado, then the immediate effect of that would be a rise in the prices – $4/avo. Similarly, gluten free food is expensive. Really, the government must either control such pricing or provide a tax benefit for us not burdening the healthcare system. I struggle to understand why healthy goods are highest priced. I’d argue the contrary. If unhealthy food is priced high, then everyone eats healthy food and overall burden on healthcare will be reduced, eventually phasing out unhealthy food from the markets. Just akin to how cigarettes are priced high.

    The quality of life is bonza.

    Overall, I love Oz and am waiting to become a proud citizen.

  • Emily Schinella April 16, 2016, 10:15 pm | Link

    Our healthcare is bad? Please! Go see how great America’s is.

    • BobinOz April 18, 2016, 5:28 pm | Link

      Very true, I’ve been most impressed with the Australian health care system since I’ve been here.

  • laloli April 13, 2016, 8:58 pm | Link

    Baaad, bad people, you say two kinds; in other words: mooslims & arabs. BOOH-YAAAAHHHH! 😛

    PS: ” visit Fred’s blog”… yet fails to hyperlink it anywhere these words are typed.
    LMAO.. LAME-O!!

    • BobinOz April 14, 2016, 12:00 am | Link

      If only you had read the update, then maybe you wouldn’t have made such a fool of yourself.

  • Yogesh March 26, 2016, 7:48 pm | Link

    After staying in Australia for 2 years… I have a few observations. This is just my personal opinion and experience. These points may not be applicable for others.

    1. Insisting on Local Work Experience: I have Aussie companies insisting that applicants need to have Local Aussie Experience. If the applicant is a migrant, then this is discriminatory and not practical. Its a vicious cycle. If they do not give migrants a job… then how on earth you will have local experience. A bit funny in today’s globalized world.

    2. Selective Law Enforcement: Police and other law enforcement agencies, tend to avoid any kind of interaction with people of certain religious and regional background. (I will live the group and their names to reader’s intelligence). Even if the culprit is a habitual offender, police turn a blind eye.

    3. Super-expensive Child Care: Most young families… who are in their late 20s, early and mid 30s… have to spend nearly 25% of their earnings on child care. This punches a big hole in their finances for 4 to 5 years per child per family. Government need to start consultative discussions with all stakeholders and ensure child care cost is brought down.

    4. Ultra-Expensive Housing: The housing cost is out of reach for most families. If you are single earning household, then it is really difficult even a buy a 2-bed unit. Real Estate in Sydney and Melbourne is too hot… because of overseas investors who buy Aussie real estate by looking at the property on Skype. I don’t call them investors, I call them Speculators.

    5. Restaurant food is Good, but again expensive: The quality of restaurant in Oz is really good, but again expensive mainly because of expensive real estate, rents and then minimum wage rule implementation.

    I have only highlighted points affecting average individuals… Hopefully I will learn more about this beautiful country.

    • BobinOz March 29, 2016, 5:20 pm | Link

      Interesting points, here’s my view.

      1. Yes, I’ve heard of this, but it also seems to me that once somebody has landed that first job and got the local work experience, then they find it much easier to find further jobs later on. So I don’t think it’s racism, I think it is genuinely that a lot of employers prefer to see local work experience. Some don’t care though, and that’s where you can get a step up on the ladder.

      2. I’m not really aware of this and I haven’t seen any examples of what you’re talking about.

      3. The figures you mention seem extremely high to me, but again I have no experience, we have not needed to put our daughter into childcare.

      4. Yes, foreign investment is a bit of a problem particularly in Sydney and Melbourne and it has driven up prices. I’m in Brisbane though, I find housing cost here on a par with the UK and you certainly get a much bigger house for your money than you could ever get in England. I think the problem you mention is pretty much restricted to selected areas of Sydney and Melbourne.

      5. I recently had a holiday in the US and eating out in restaurants was dearer there than it is here in Australia, mostly because in the US it’s rude not to tip at least 20% where as here in Australia tipping just isn’t a thing.

      Sounds to me from your final sentence that you have maybe not been here very long, I do know that some things including prices can seem a bit of a shellshock when you first arrive, they certainly did for me. Then, when you adjust, and realise that earnings potential is much higher here and that some things are cheaper, you realise it all works out.

      Good luck, Bob

  • Moto man March 8, 2016, 5:45 pm | Link

    That’s all a lie Australia is a Beautiful Country the land of the free home of the Great barrier Reef much more this is just a Another bunch of bull you fine on the Internet

    • BobinOz March 8, 2016, 8:32 pm | Link


    • laloli April 13, 2016, 9:01 pm | Link

      Seriously, bitch! ” land of the free home of the Great ” hey bitch! That’s USA!

      HA!HA! Envy much)? 🙂

      • BobinOz April 14, 2016, 12:15 am | Link

        What an amazing misquote, he didn’t say home of the great, he said “home of the Great Barrier Reef” which is, of course, absolutely correct. I’ve changed my mind since my response to your other comment above, you really are quite capable of making a fool of yourself under all kinds of circumstances. Congratulations.

  • paige March 7, 2016, 2:08 pm | Link


    • BobinOz March 7, 2016, 5:30 pm | Link

      That really should have had a comma in there somewhere, just to make the meaning clear. Otherwise it could be:

      Lies, I tell you lies


      Lies I tell you, lies


  • Nhi vu February 21, 2016, 12:06 pm | Link

    I came to Melbourne when i was 15, as my father wanted. i studied high school here which somewhat brought good and bad experiences for me. i made friends with some asian backgrounds students and other overseas students, they are really nice, but i felt uncomfortable with the local students, they are very rude and somewhat do not know how to respect others, especially with the teachers. I’m currently studying at Uni in the degree that my family want me to study and have a chance to STAY in this country, and i really hate it.
    Now i really regret that i did not argue with my family about their decision of sending me here. I wanna go back home, I feel tired and depressed. This country is not where i belong, I am a stranger here.

    • BobinOz February 22, 2016, 6:41 pm | Link

      Australia doesn’t suit everybody, and it’s never too late to start that argument with your family about their decision. If you’re depressed and unhappy here, then you need to do something about it.

      Tell your parents that you want to live YOUR life, not the life they want you to live. You can do it 🙂 good luck, Bob

    • max tierney April 21, 2016, 5:56 pm | Link

      Nhi vu
      I feel so sorry for you, I feel that you may be to young to away from your family, If I could suggest one thing, that would be to shift in with an australian family till your studies are complete.
      Its OK to be homesick but do not allow that to blind your eyes to what is really here and to judge our community

      • EllyMae July 27, 2016, 1:49 am | Link

        Max, he’s not blinded by homesickness, it’s culture shock as via personal experience I’ve seen the same thing. As friendly and relaxed as the culture is down there, it’s not the most welcoming to new comers! Your society tends to be on the cliquish side making if very difficult to integrate and make new friends, or in my daughter’s case, keeping old friends that were made elsewhere while the Aussie lived abroad. While she made them feel very welcomed by including them in her personal social circle while in our country, the same was not reciprocated upon arrival in the land down under, ha. Not all of them, but enough to make me research just what is up with the social culture in OZ, hence, how I landed on this website. I can completely relate to what this young person is saying. That’s a negative Fred!

    • Daniel June 19, 2016, 6:59 am | Link

      My circumstance is similar to Nhi Vu’s. I chose to study nursing because I thought I would like it (my parents said it would offer me permanent residency, have a good career and earn decent money). It turned out my mind had been instilled with their standards (Especially my father just wanted to have a ticket to Oz through me. My mom wants a better future for me and the whole family though). You know what? I quit nursing in my very final semester, have applied to study my favourite subject (Communications) and will try to find a job in order to save money and support myself. Basically, my family and I lost everything to nursing (nearly $100k for my tuition and expenses here). However, I do not want to give up on a bacchelor degree. I can totally understand how you feel. I know your pain! But it is not too late to realise who you really are, set some goals for your life and make an effort towards achieving them. Finally, hang in there! I don’t know the best solution for you, but I would emphasise on the word “opportunities”. You need to be patient and wait for an opportunity to come.


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