10 Reasons Why NOT to Move to Australia

by BobinOz on July 1, 2011

in Australia's Bad Things

As you saw from Wednesday’s post, the OECD has found Australia the best country in the world to live in. But that is not an opinion shared by everybody.

For some time I have been working on a post called ’10 Reasons Why NOT to Move to Australia’. When I say “working on”, what I mean is I have had the idea, created a notepad with the title and every now and then, when I think of a reason, I add it to the list.

In three years, this is as far as I have got…..

1. Your favourite hobby is history/archaeology.
2. You are allergic to golden sandy beaches.

That’s it!

But where I have struggled with this, a guy called Fred has had no problems in compiling his list. Fred contacted me recently via my YouTube channel with a request for me to allow his video as a “video response” to one of my videos.

I emailed Fred back and told him what I would really like to do is a feature post about his blog, even though I did not agree with a single thing on his website. I also explained I would very likely be taking the Mickey out of what he has said and asked if he was okay with that. I also mentioned that I could not work out whether his website was serious or a complete joke.

Fred replied he was happy for me to go ahead and also said “My website is just a tool to make prospective migrants know some facts before making their mind. I am just trying to do good here. Don’t forget that I mentioned that I have met some good people in Oz as well. To me the main problem was nature, not people. So the only fix was to leave. Wish you a good life in Oz.”

So, he is up for it and, apparently, his website is serious. So let us get stuck in.

On occasions  I have been accused of looking at Australia with rose tinted glasses. I have never really understood that idiom, but I do know it means I only (apparently) see the best side of this country.

Well, here is Fred with his view which is surely the worst side.

10 Reasons Why NOT to Move to Australia

What I am going to do here is run through each of Fred’s 10 points, summarise them in my own words and give you one short Fred quote from it. But to get the full flavour of Fred’s wonderful website, you really should visit it for yourself and read it all.

It’s only a one-page website and will take you less than 5 minutes and that includes pauses for laughter. Here goes…

1- UV Radiation

Apparently, to protect ourselves from these dangers, those of us here in Australia have to avoid the sun, wear long sleeves and trousers, big hats, slap on the sunscreen every couple of hours and wear dark glasses.

Mooloolaba Sun AvoidanceWell, I’m not buying that one.

It is not just us people who suffer either, according to Fred “Trees look sad.”

2- Pests

Cockroaches, snakes, rats and spiders are mentioned here and Fred feels that not even pest control can stop “the spider from building its home so quickly every day. They can’t stop it from checking your mail…”

Spiders checking my mail?

3- People

Fred’s general opinion of Australian people isn’t good. A top contender for best quote in this section was where he mentions the likelihood of being attacked with glass or something. But my favourite sentence of them all was the one just after he mentions having met some highly educated people who he thought were normal. He continues “However, the rest of them are divided into old people and young people. Old people are OK because they can’t fight!”

4- Cost of Life

Fred thinks Australia is expensive. He has some ideas why this is and explains it with this…. “One reason behind it is that the government pays for babies.”

5- Location

It is not just Australia is a long way away from so many other countries, but even getting about within Australia is tough because there are “not enough gas stations either.”

6- Health Care

sickOur health care system is funny and dental costs crazy. Waiting times are too long; expect to wait all night at ER. And, according to Fred, “Some small service centers are at par with developing countries.”

7- Roads

Bad, bad, bad roads! Roundabouts everywhere, even on the highways. You must visit his website if only to find out about our terrible roads. As he says “I have seen better roads in many places except Srilanka!”

8- Education

Universities are public and everyone studies for free, apparently. But the bad news is they are not safe and, according to Fred, you will probably be raped at night. Which leads me to my favourite quote from this one. “Of course there is no punishment or law.”

9- Housing

aussie houseBad, bad, bad housing! Houses are old and badly maintained because people want to spend their money on drink instead. But that is not the real problem with houses. No. There is a government conspiracy. According to Fred “Actually the government forbids new buildings so as to keep the price high, but the quality drops!”

There is a lot more information on Fred’s site about the housing, and I know I have already said you must visit his website if only to find out about the terrible roads. But now I am thinking, maybe you should only visit his website to find out about the terrible housing.

Hey! Why not visit his website to find out about both?

10- Crime

In Australia, teenagers attack old people all the time. It is a risk to go out at night. These teenagers get money directly from the government. And if you think all that sounds horrific enough, as Fred says, “There is no arrest, no law enforcement, nothing!”


So there you have it. 10 reasons why not to move to Australia according to Fred. I don’t agree with any of it. Having said that, I think Fred’s site is as funny as any I’ve seen. So I thank him for making me laugh.

But this really is just a very brief overview of his 10 reasons; Fred puts it so much better than I do. I highly recommend you pop over to his website and take a few minutes to read and digest it all.

Fred also gives a bonus 11th reason which I won’t reveal here. So why not go to go to NotAustralia?


No point in clicking that link anymore, Freds website was taken down by the hosts. Last time I was able to click through, I saw the following message…

“We’re sorry, this site is frozen.
If you are the site owner, please contact our abuse team regarding the status of your website.”

Seems we weren’t the only ones who found Freds opinions offensive :-)

Here’s his video:

No it isn’t.

Update 2: Fred removed his video from YouTube and explained why in a comment on this very page. You can see that comment somewhere below, a long long way below, underneath all the other yummy comments. Look for one by Fred sometime in June 2014.

Now, for those of you who can’t sleep at night worrying what that 11th bonus reason was, I’m going to reprint it here.

From the now taken down Not Australia website, this sums it all up really…

11- Bonus reason!

Most of Australia is dry and there are a lot of bush fires and house fires. An additional reason is the abnormally high intensity of sun radiation which makes this risk even bigger. Sandstorms come from the desert as well.


Please feel free to add your views and comments below, but do be aware that bad language and swearing is not allowed on this website. I thank you in advance for your cooperation.

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Jack (Traveling American living the Aussie vacation) November 18, 2015 at 2:51 pm

At first I really thought this article was sarcasm. Not until i read the comments…or am i missing this out. I just thought cos i have some Aussie friends fond of sarcasm. Sorry then Fred, not buying all. I definitely love Australia. The climate, the people and beaches!


A true Aussie November 15, 2015 at 9:43 pm

So I have lived in Australia my whole life. Australia is AMAZING! I live in Western Australia, Perth. I love it! I would never want to live any where else but except for here! I recommend this place for people who want to move to a different country or even for anyone who wants to go on a holiday! Australia’s weather is perfect! We have the nicest people around, and the most beautiful tourist attractions. Australia is truely an amazing county. None of that stuff you wrote is true! Australia is gorgeous! You must have not been to Australia yet if you’ve just wrote all that stuff because when you come to Australia you will fall in love with it!!!


Victor November 24, 2015 at 5:45 am

I think this person for writing this article and it is a great and more should read it. The people that believe this well we do not want them in Australia. As an ex South African that has lived in Australia for 20 yrs, I call Australia Gods back yard. The people are great, life is great, the country is clean, the medical, policing is 5 star and the country is managed to a very high standard. Final part is my son is getting 1st world education.
The 2nd best country to live in is Canada.
I am so grateful and honored that Australia accepted me to come and live in Gods Back Yard.


Jeff November 13, 2015 at 12:50 pm

you retard


Hollie November 10, 2015 at 5:58 am

I’m so happy to hear this list is just a bunch of rubbish from what I can see. I am an American female, soon to be 25 who is thinking of coming to Australia for a year on a working holiday visa. I’ve always wanted to experience life outside of my country’s borders, and expand my cultural knowledge. Canada is practically my second home, sonI’m pretty comfortable with there, so I decided that maybe Australia would be a fun next move.

My question to all you Australia natives or expats is this: how easy would it be for me, as an American to adjust to Aussie culture? Any tips? Anything Americans tend to do that Aussie’s hate so I can catch myself from not doing it? Some of the better cities to live? I would love everyone’s input!


BobinOz November 26, 2015 at 9:31 pm

Well spotted, yes, this list is rubbish :-)

I don’t think you need to make any kind of adjustments really, just be kind and friendly and Australia will love you. You may also like to read the following post, including the comments…


As for our cities, check out my page called A Quick Guide to Choosing a City in Australia, it might help you decide where you want to head. Above all, have a great time here.

Cheers, Bob


Lilli November 9, 2015 at 7:00 am

I’ve never read an article so driven by very personal hate for a country. It’s crazy. How about you rename your article to “10 lies about Australia”. I’ve never read an article that sounds so desperate to prove something.


BobinOz November 25, 2015 at 8:44 pm

I couldn’t agree more, Fred does appear to have a very blunt axe to grind. I think changing the name to mention lies though would rather spoil the surprise :-)


Chris November 8, 2015 at 4:09 pm

Hi, Australia isn’t at all as bad as foreigners have labelled it.

Australia has it’s good and bad aspects just like any nation does.

We have excellent border control strategies, we have a zero tolerance for handguns (unless your a farmer, your allowed one if you have a licence) resulting in our murder crime rates being far lower than other nations.

We may have harsh sun, lots of poisonous spiders, snakes and reptiles such as crocs but they are of no concern for any Aussie. These creatures are more afraid of people than anything and you will only get bitten if you hassle it or just really unlucky!

We love our sport (AFL, NRL), movies, food culture and drinking just like many other nations. Australia is becoming very expensive to live in since we have been labelled the most liveable country. As a result, our cost of living and price of houses are sky rocket high and employment is becoming harder to obtain. The native born have it a lot harder than foreigners who come and live in Australia. They get more pensions through the Government than native born Aussies. But this is not true for refugees – it is far opposite.

We have many cultures living here that we have opened our arms to, adopted and respected. There is a movement of cultures who have come here and brought their individualised agenda, lifestyle, beliefs and ideologies. Aussies are okay with these people living the way they do. Aussies are not racist as the image of foreigners give us. There are however, some minorities that try and enforce their individualised values and agenda on to native born Aussies (White or Aboriginal) at the very same time try and take away some of the existing rights and privileges that Aussies have grown fond to long before these people arrived. This is the part that angers Aussies very much and this is the only reason why others perceive us as ‘racist’. We are in fact the very opposite too racist.

I hope this has given you better insight in to Australia?

From a true Aussie by seven generations.


BobinOz November 23, 2015 at 7:29 pm

Yes, it has, a very sound roundup by and large. Definitely more than 10 reasons why you should move to Australia :-)


chloe November 6, 2015 at 9:32 am

So apparently we dont have laws or nice houses 😅😅😅😅😅 bruh ave you actually even been to australia


BobinOz November 6, 2015 at 7:04 pm

If Fred has been here, I bet he didn’t see this house…




aussie November 1, 2015 at 4:38 pm

Living in australia has been a nightmare for me ive seen the ugly face of australia but i dont believe that anyone can truly grasp my story unless they have been a state ward homeless and been threw the *loving* system of boys homes where people who are praised as good youth workers or community services people truth is i only seen evil there but coming from a diffrent walk of life theres just no way you could know what a ugly country australia can be im putting some coin together and even if i die broke homeless and hungry atleast i know australia didnt get the last say in how my life went truth is australia has attacked anyone diffrent from italians to greeks and chinese since around the 60s and now all those racist dogs which is 99% of aussies lets be honest here *cronulla riots* are just now realising you never had it so good because most of the people coming here now dont give a monkeys about australia i think about what i know and what ive seen and untill the day people open there eyes go in to courts and see the sadistic circus and the way australian politics is played out there will be no real changed because all the crap flows down hill and it all starts at the top its a corrupt and disgusting place to live when you know the truth about it but thats abit hard for the average joe to understand i expressed my self a party once as you can imagine people were not to happy to say the least tho one bloke did take me up and spent a couple of weeks looking at everything i had showed and said about my personal experience and was a changed man in his own words i quess my analogy look at 9/11 all the eviedence the evidence is there right there all the reports 2500 of the worlds best architects have signed up saying that what happend wasnt possible as well as jet fuel burning at 7000 degrees when in order to melt the metal it required like 22000 degrees dont quote me on figures im sure its close tho all the fire fighters saying how they heard chargers going off one by one just look at the evidence dont be dud i back up what ive lived and been threw with facts tho you can dismiss it all just by saying you dont wana know or near enough good enough thats the aussie way or dont be a sook right?


A Different Aussie November 2, 2015 at 5:54 pm

AUSTRALIA IS AN AMAZING PLACE TO LIVE. if you were living on the streets of Europe ppl would just look at you. I know from experience that if your on the streets in Aus than someone will walk by and buy you something or hang with you give u company idk why ppl don’t like it. maybe cause they’re screwed up idk


BobinOz November 2, 2015 at 5:57 pm

Aussie, your comment was held in the queue simply because you had two swear words in there, I do not allow the use of bad language on this website. I decided to edit out those words myself though and allow your comment, because I didn’t want you to think I was censoring your views.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

You clearly have had a rough time; wherever you are now, wherever you are living, I hope things are getting better for you. Cheers, Bob


Jeni October 10, 2015 at 12:27 pm

In February 2015, I traveled from Auckland, New Zealand to Hobart, then Sydney to Cairns, and back to Sydney, during a 16 day tour. As an American, from New York no less, I WOULD MOVE TO AUSTRALIA IN A SECOND! The 23 hour one way flight time is the ONLY reason why my return to that extraordinary continent is limited. The only downside of Australia, I was informed of, was the fact that Chinese investors are buying up property along the east coast causing property prices to skyrocket while interest rates are remaining relatively low. Otherwise, property prices would be low with interest rates through the roof. It appears to be a viscous cycle. In all honesty, I viewed Sydney as a really really really clean version of NYC with better fashion. LOL! The country-side seemed peaceful and quiet however, my tour guide felt a trip viewing the homes of the wealthy was more rewarding than exploring the realization of the not-so-wealthy and indigenous communities. From the real information presented, the ones in Australia who are reaping the crap-end of the benefits legislation imposes, are the Aboriginal descendants living impoverished. Honestly, anyone who boasts about why they hate Australia, need to pack their bags, pick up their furniture, and move on out. Trust and believe, they will be back biting their tongues.


BobinOz October 12, 2015 at 5:58 pm

Glad to hear you enjoyed your time in Australia Jeni, not bad here, is it? I’m a little shocked at the suggestion Sydney fashion is better than NYC, but I’m not much into fashion, I’ll take your word for it :-)

Very topical your point about the Chinese, just today in the news following a TV documentary, the government have been asked to look into the investment levels of the Chinese in our housing. We will see what happens with that one.

Cheers, Bob


dan October 8, 2015 at 7:23 pm

learn ur facts, Australia has some of the most expensive universities in the world


BobinOz October 8, 2015 at 8:50 pm

Is that really the only thing you found wrong with Fred’s rant?


Robert October 3, 2015 at 8:12 pm

I’ve lived in Australia for 16 years, was born here but grew up (partially) living all over the world.

The good:
National parks
The rule of law
Roads (tarmac is everywhere now)
Most modern services and conveniences are available.

The bad:

Australia has thrown much of it’s culture away. We are not egalitarian. We are not particularly kind to one another. “Fair go” is mostly gone. Increasingly, our advertisements are voiced in American accents. Our last two prime ministers were British. Anyone who sticks up for Australia, speaks too obviously like one, or displays patriotism is dismissively labelled bogan.

Our economy is dominated by providing average quality services (except medical) and housing to locals and selling rocks, produce and land to Asia. We could have been world leaders in tech and solar, but Howard chose invest in clean coal research instead, a technology that still doesn’t exist. Don’t even mention what they’ve done to CSIRO.

We import workers to drive wages down and push the responsibility for training onto individuals as much as possible.

Our housing system is built on creating shortages to benefit incumbents through world-beating immigration levels, tight local planning restrictions, corruption (e.g. google the recent paper on Qld rezoning to mates’ benefit in 75% of cases), as well as weak enforcement of foreign ownership laws. Australian suburbs are often socially isolating with people driving everywhere and hardly coming into contact with anyone unless they make a deliberate effort.

Youth unemployment is at levels last seen in the 90s and yet housing gets ever more expensive. As a result (along with other factors), the average age of mothers keeps rising and the number of children is below replacement. In effect, we have outsourced overseas the thing that matters most to most people. If it goes on for too long you might call it genosuicide.

We don’t even try to have a military capable of defending us. They are mostly a token force designed to make mostly symbolic contributions to our allies’ initiatives.

Our politicians’ main skill is misdirection. Our business leaders’ main goal is to copy something done elsewhere and monopolise it in Australia while reducing employee conditions, pay and job security. They have little appetite for philanthropy, public interest, innovation or export. The Australian excuse is heard frequently – “we are too small and/or too distant to create globally competitive enterprises except in mining”

Have you noticed the spike in methamphetamine use? That’s probably because they made smoking hyper expensive while increasing the cost of housing into the stratosphere. People become prone to addictions when they are stressed beyond their ability to process their situation effectively.

Overall, life for most people is better than the UK and USA because our winters are mild in most places. Compare us to the Swiss and the Scandinavians instead. Of course if you have enough money you can enjoy a lovely life here, but that’s true just about anywhere.


BobinOz October 5, 2015 at 8:28 pm

“Overall, life for most people is better than the UK and USA...”

Yes it is, and not just because of the mild winters. Every country has its problems, so everything is relative, and relatively speaking I think Australia wins a lot of the time.

That’s why so many people want to move here and it is also why I think the people who are already here should appreciate what they’ve got.


Jack October 15, 2015 at 11:44 pm

I have to agree wholeheartedly with Robert and add a few of my own points, so let’s not put on rose-colored glasses just for the sake of being bloody-minded, ok?

A major strike against Australia (to me) is its political insistence that its populace must be micromanaged to death at all costs; in short, it doesn’t matter how old you are, you will be treated like an irresponsible child and be told what you can and can’t do – via excessive laws, if necessary.

Compare that mentality with all of Europe and, if you’re honest, you’ll find it difficult to argue.

You will be ‘encouraged’ to spy on and tattletale against everyone you know, from colleague to neighbor to friend to classmate. It’s become a nation of ‘dobbers’.

Its politics and politicians are, by now, a well recognized international joke, demonstrating their fundamental ‘ethos’ that politics is ‘just a career move’, intended to financially feather the nests of individuals for their own lifetime.

It doesn’t even make an appearance on my list of places to visit and retire to.


BobinOz October 16, 2015 at 9:19 pm

Well I don’t agree wholeheartedly with Robert Jack, but I do agree with a couple of things you said here. Australian politicians are rubbish, I have no problem with that statement. And we do appear to live in a nanny state here, so many rules and regulations.

That said, Europe isn’t exempt from this behaviour, I remember whoever it is who runs Europe now, somebody in Belgium I think, telling us we had to sell bananas in kilos instead of pounds and we also had to throw away all the towel beer mats and replace them with some kind of tin thing in all the bars.

The only thing I don’t agree with that you said is the dobbing in, I’ve been here eight years and not been asked to do that for anything for anyone.


Mable Salazar September 23, 2015 at 10:16 pm

LOL. Australia is the best country. Me and my husband are going to move there. We are planing to do it next winter. It is complicated procedure but it is worth it. Best regards!


Bozdar September 18, 2015 at 10:04 pm

Ye, somehow. :)


Alicia September 14, 2015 at 9:36 pm

Australia sucks.


bozdar September 15, 2015 at 6:08 am

sucks what?


BobinOz September 15, 2015 at 8:38 pm

Can we say that question is rhetorical bozdar? :-)


Bozdar September 4, 2015 at 8:27 am

This article was written four years ago and is still being commented. That’s really great! But I am curious, how Australia has developed in these years? According to social media and newspapers, (most of the) Australians have developed racial behaviour. For example: Indigenous to Chinese where Whites toward non-whites. Also, there are religious problems. Muslims are hating Christians and vice versa. My cousin is living in Brisbane and I am thinking to move Victoria (somewhere in Melbourne or Geelong).


BobinOz September 4, 2015 at 5:27 pm

Nothing significant has changed in those 4 years. As for the religious matter you have mentioned, I’m not if you’ve noticed or not, but that’s currently a bit of an increasing worldwide problem for some.

Australia can’t be singled out for this one and in fact after the Lindt hostage killings, many Australians openly supported Muslims in public to defend them against the minority who thought it was a good idea to give them a hard time.


Gilda November 21, 2015 at 11:20 am

Unemployment rates have gotten worse, the cost of living is going up and up, doctors we have here are pricks who only care about making money theamount of times they have nearly killed my sick mother is sickening! and waiting times er is still a very long time you could be dying and they will just leave you then untilyou collapse then they will take you in and not to mention our weather in summer is a night mare it can get to 47 degrees! arghhhhh


Andrew September 2, 2015 at 7:45 pm

I was born in the UK til 17 then moved to Toronto Canada with the family. Lived there for 38 years. Toronto is bloody freezing in Winter -15-30 degrees and bloody humid in the summer. Not good for someone in my condition – RA and Osteoarthritis. I’ve been in Oz for almost 3 years now and my condition is much better. Yes I still have my condition however the pain is less that 15% on a daily basis as opposed to 65-80%.

I love this country and yes I do miss my family (kid) in Toronto, however for health reasons I’d NEVER go back unless for a visit.


BobinOz September 3, 2015 at 5:54 pm

Can’t beat a bit of warmer weather to combat RA and Osteoarthritis, another bonus of living in Australia:-)

Welcome Andrew, I hope Australia continues to treat you well.


BILL DOWD September 1, 2015 at 8:08 am

Australia is the best country in the world. I have been to several other overseas countries . Europe is beautiful but too expensive, Canada is beautiful but too cold. USA there is too much crime and violence . India everybody wants to rip you off because you are a tourist. The same goes with Indonesia .Jakarta is a rat infested hole where the traffic is unbelievable.
The only country that comes anywhere near to Australia for liveability is New Zealand .However, the weather is not as good as in Australia and things are more expensive.
Any person who migrates to Australia from overseas and lives here for a few years can hardly wait to get back here after they go home for a holiday.


BobinOz September 1, 2015 at 4:44 pm

Nice round up of the world Bill, thanks. Not been to NZ yet, it’s on my to do list, and soon.


Jared September 1, 2015 at 10:07 pm

I had actually changed my plans from living is oz to living in NZ. as i currently reside in Hawaii. which is too small and overcrowded. and has a stricter version of US car laws. no race track to speak of. no support for us gear heads. I originally intended on oz due to the world market allowing most cars we can never dream of getting in the US until they’re ancient to be imported there. (yes it sounds dumb but this is what my life revolves around). Until i been told Oz is unimaginably strict with their modified car laws like Hawaii but worse. Cars getting crushed? taken away for a late rego? extra taxes for a quick car? lower your vehicle and it gets confiscated or you get ticketed?

Sounds like a gear head’s ironic hell. all those cars they have access to and no freedom to enjoy them?. NZ is truly the land of the free for my kind from everyone i’ve spoken to. And it’s like a “Super Hawaii”. much bigger, more to explore. don’t feel like you’re in a fishbowl. yet i don’t need to sacrifice my beaches and island weather.


Jared September 1, 2015 at 10:08 pm

actually, I know NZ is up the butt expensive, but so is Hawaii. nothing different there. So i’ll take that upgrade.


BobinOz September 2, 2015 at 3:10 pm

I’m not a gear head, but my understanding is the higher car tax is not for a quicker car, it’s because the car is not so environmentally friendly. Most modern countries have similar car taxing systems.


Abor September 3, 2015 at 6:35 am

yass finally! someone speaking my language :)
aus is a great place aint it mate


gilda November 21, 2015 at 11:25 am

Crime rates are no better here everyday on the news some poor old lady or man is being robbed and beaten by a bunch of stupid teenagers and don’t get me started on the amount of drug dealers in this country the only difference between aus and america when it comes to crimes is america has more guns that’s it american have there guns and aussies have their baseball bats.


BobinOz August 29, 2015 at 4:36 pm

Haha, well your irony was too subtle for me :-), anyway, this conversation is, as you say, best now switched to here…



Tom Kent August 28, 2015 at 10:12 am

I just read that a beer produced by Mountain Goat (MG Barley) was voted best Australian beer at the AIG International Awards, which has 1700 submissions. Top world beer went to Speight’s 5 Malt Old Dark from Lion Breweries in Auckland, NZ. I haven’t tried it but I bet they’re right. Try Tui (not Toohey) NZ stout as well.


Tom Kent August 28, 2015 at 9:14 am

And here I was thinking that English people understood self-deprecating irony! I agree with just about everything you say on that thread. I will comment here, duplicate it on that thread, and henceforward only comment on booze in general on that thread.

You’re completely right about XXXX bitter and about XXXX gold being the best of the poor mass-produced beers. I also like Resch’s Dinner Ale, a lot of people don’t, it can be hard to get. Resch’s Pilsener is also good. I disagree about Squire and Boags, I think they are fake artisan beers, I don’t think much of Boags. Personally I hate India Pale, but that’s a matter of my own taste, it is a good beer. The beer I liked a lot was Mountain Goat Steam Ale, try that if you can. Also Beez Neez. If you are in Sydney pop into the Craig tavern at Darling Harbour and try Craig Strong. Good British beers not being widely available, I would tend to drink German and Dutch beers and Carlsberg, which are, Grolsch especially.

In Melbourne the artist/intellectual crowd universally drink Guinness, man and girl. A pub without Guinness on tap will never attract the arts crowd.

I’m not terribly impressed with most Australian alcohol. The universal white wines are awful. Cab Sav is dire. You’d be much better buying an imported German hock. With considerable hunting it is possible to find excellent red wines, but if you want drinkable cheap reds, get imported Italian or Spanish. If you’re spending $20-30/bottle, I don’t think the best Australian reds have any rivals. Dessert wines and fortified wines are mostly excellent.

Rum is good. Australian brandy is horrible unless you pay top dollar and most places don’t even have it. Whiskey I don’t drink so won’t comment on,in any case, it’s almost all imported. Vodka is mostly disgusting wherever it comes from. Generally speaking anything that comes from Greece or what used to be Yugoslavia is good, no matter how weird the ingredients sound.

If you want to be surprised, nip over to Cambodia or Vietnam and spend $1.00 on a 500 ml bottle of whiskey or vodka produced in those countries. You might be very surprised indeed.


Tom Kent August 27, 2015 at 4:03 pm

Oh, I am no expert on beer! To tell you the truth I don’t like beer at all and only join in to please whoever is paying for dinner. I think guys only pretend to like beer because it is supposed to be masculine, in the same way that females pretend to think that white wine is real wine., The only beer I actually LIKE is Samuel Smith, and also Churchill lager, which you can’t get here. I had my first try of Old Speckled Hen yesterday, as it happens, and found it very nice, for beer.

No, what I am saying is that XXXX is better than dishwater like Watney’s, which in turn is better than horse urine like Budweiser. I don’t regard things like Carlton and Fosters as beer, they are alcohol-flavoured soda water. As to the better stuff that might be on tap – in Melbourne there would always be Little Creatures, Fat Yak and…er…goat something, a steam beer that is actually nice, I think they are all probably in a similar range. Apart from Samuel Smith, which is divine nectar with no peer. Most Melbourne pubs would have at least 4-5 artisan beers on tap. And you are totally right about the Czech Republic, though Sri Lanka also has good beer.


BobinOz August 28, 2015 at 8:22 am

I agree with almost everything you say, except…

I say I love beer because I REALLY love beer, not because I think it is masculine to do so. Have you read this post?



Eddie August 27, 2015 at 3:40 am

I Live in South Mexico, dont think Australia is as bad as here ….


BobinOz August 28, 2015 at 8:18 am

Neither do I Eddie, neither do I :-)


Tom Kent August 10, 2015 at 3:24 pm

I haven’t read all of this thread, of course it is very long. I will throw my two cents in. Note I have only lived in NZ and Australia (I chose to move here from NZ when I was 24 because I fell in love with it) and haven’t traveled all that widely and only in Asia.

Australia has low crime, is one of the least corrupt countries in the world, is quite efficient, friendly, has a mostly great climate, and a well-educated and mostly liberal population. It has a high cost of living, but also good wages, low poverty, and pretty good employment. Medical care is free or very cheap and from what I have heard, much better than Britain. Dental care is good but expensive. Children are welcome just about everywhere.

I can only think of one reason for not living in Australia really, and that is as Bob says if you really love European culture and history and that sort of conversation. Australians are smart, open, well-educated and well-read, but they are not an intellectual people. Mostly anything older than ten years or so is thrown away, though you may be surprised at all the lovely old houses. I lack enthusiasm for working-class Australians (called Bogans), but my English relatives in Portsmouth are stunningly ill-educated, provincial, and ignorant in a way that would never be accepted in Australia. If you want to bring that type of Eurocentric culture here, stay home! That said, Melbourne has one of the richest cultural lives of any city in the world. It is a UNESCO city of literature, and every single night of every week you have a choice between dozens of poetry, classical music, jazz, techno, live music, dance, libraries, plays, whatever you want, there are literally hundreds of events every single night in the inner city (none in the suburbs) at every possible price point. (I am a classical music composer and poet). Just in the ONE SUBURB I live in there are over 120 restaurants offering twenty different cuisines, in most you would regard $20 per person as insanely expensive. I am a pensioner, live in a medium-sized thee-bedroom rented house in an inner suburb by myself, eat out twice a week and go to shows or meet friends once a week (I am reclusive). There is a fabulous selection of exotic tropical fruit and veg and very cheap. Fresh good produce is easy to get everywhere. I am paying $5.99/kg for good pork loin roast (nb – most suburbs you would pay double that). Drugs are unfortunately in rather short supply but that is improving. The beer on tap is bad, but not nearly as bad as English beer on tap and nothing could be worse than American beer on tap. Many streets in the inner city have literally fifty or sixty great cafes just in a two mile stretch. I doubt that there is any city in the world that has such a concentration of culture. Canberra has no nightlife, but cheap rents and wonderful safe parks filled with amazing wildlife all within a short walk from your house. Sydney has a stunning environment, is one of the world’s great cities, and all the safe bush-walking and great beaches you could want. It feels like an Asian city, which is wonderful, although there is always a danger of Cantonese Pop Music. Please note that Neighbours is fiction. Most Australians even in the suburbs have never met any of their neighbours.

It would be very nice to have Europe at my doorstep, but Australia is a part of Asia which is fantastic, relatively close, vastly cheaper and has fantastic ancient history.

In any warm country, you do have to learn about the various creatures that are anxious to share the warmth and abundance of food with you. Coming from NZ where there is basically nothing dangerous or poisonous at all, I understand the jitteriness. Australians love to tell scary stories and relish the reputation of Australia as full of dangerous creatures. If you are a city person as in fact most Australians are, you will never see any scary creature. Never any snakes. A cat or dog makes short work of a snake. If you are very outdoorsy and like visiting the country, the most important thing is to understand and take normal precautions against ticks, leeches, and especially great big ants, which can give a painful bite. Seeing a snake is a treasured special event.

As with any country in the world except France and perhaps Vietnam and a very few other places, if you mix, mingle, and make it clear that you love the country for its blessings and forgive its faults, people will love you, too.


BobinOz August 10, 2015 at 10:56 pm

I agree with most of what you have to say here, but Australian beer on tap better than English and American? Not a chance!

The best English ales available in traditional British pubs are superior to Aussie beers by a distance. Greene King IPA, Abbott Ale, Old Speckled Hen are all full-bodied beers with great flavour. Most Australian beer is lager based and served cold, very cold, sometimes to a point where taste doesn’t really matter.

When it’s a very hot day, maybe that’s all you want, and sometimes it’s all I want. But on other occasions, I love to sit back and enjoy a classic British beer. I have similarly enjoyed some excellent American ales as well.

Australia does make some great bottled beers and sometimes they do find their way to the tap, but you have to go to a specialist pub for that pleasure. By and large most pub serve Tooheys, XXXX and Hahn and they just don’t compare to what the US and the UK can offer.

For really great beers though, Czechoslovakia is probably your place.

Each to his own though Tom, I’m quite happy to accept you prefer Australian beer, but I know what I prefer.

That aside, you’ve made some great observations, lots of good information in there. Cheers, Bob


This guy is an idiot August 7, 2015 at 10:12 am

This guy is absolutely stupid, none of this happens. I have lived in Australia since I was 3 and the place is great! DON’T LISTEN TO HIM!


claude pierazzi July 24, 2015 at 9:35 pm

I hope this guy is spouting his theories in all the muslim countries and I hope they listen to him.


Vanelle July 22, 2015 at 2:17 am

Reading this and the comments are certainly helping me out with my own decision. I’m currently going to college to become a Dental Hygienist and fell in love with someone who is from Australia; fell in love with them over the year they stayed in the US. We have been together for over 5 years and have been in debate as to what we were going to do, if they should move here or if I should move there.

It has been a very difficult to choose, especially to consider everything before I can make a choice. I’m slowly leaning more towards going to Australia because EVERYTHING close to my heart is in Australia, including all of my favorite animals in the world from sugar gliders, blue penguins, and of course the majestic Galah! I would love to experience it all for myself first hand.

Of course, like anyone else who has never been out of their own country, it’s scary to think about striking out on my own to a place I’ve never been. Especially a place that is half way around the other side of the world from where I live now. But, I’m hoping if I do decide to go, I will be able to hike up my big girl panties and strike out for my adventure to distant lands.


BobinOz July 22, 2015 at 7:52 pm

Well, this probably isn’t the best post I have on this website for accurate comments, but if some of the quite ridiculous things that have been said on here haven’t put you off, then I expect to see you arrive in Australia sometime soon.

Go for it, you won’t be disappointed :-)


Abigail July 15, 2015 at 8:35 pm

Your crazy Australia is a beautiful scenery, housing is amazing living on the beach. So many public and Prrivate schools. Maybe those ten reasons were meant for the USA , stupid country


Peter July 9, 2015 at 9:02 pm

I moved to australia and australia is not the country of milk and honey. In the embassy of australia they say they want engineer’s, doctor’s, nurses …….. . When you have diplomas certificates …… . There not good here the government wants you to do it all over again here in australia, what is going to cost thousands of dollars what they forgot to say in the australian embassy. What they also don’t tell that you don’t have pensions if you have more than $300,000 in assets. And if you don’t have it you be getting $250 every 14 days. Then knowing the food bill is more than $200 a week. So the Australian government wants you to work till you at least 75 years old and older and die before you get any thing.
If you work in Australia the taxes are also high for everything and any way they can find the counsel , state and government will bleed you any way they can to get as much as possible from you.
If you self employed well that cost also, you need to get a insurances, public liabilitie, work cover insurance. Then every year you need to do knowledge test and that is for every thing and that cost also. If you have to use a ladder higher than 1.8 m you have to have is $180, forklift 350 + knowledge test $200 . White card $300 . It’s for any thing you use you have to have a knowledge test for everything separate.
Housing you can buy a domp here that will cost you around $350,000 to $400,000
So if you plan to come to Australia look in to everything good


BobinOz July 10, 2015 at 4:09 pm

It’s true, Australia is not a country of milk and honey, I don’t think any of those exist anymore anywhere. And it is also true that many professionals do sometimes have to go through additional training to make sure they comply with Australian regulations within those professions.

Not sure I see to much wrong with that, we have different plumbing standards, different electrical standards, Australian law is different from UK law etc, so it’s only reasonable that people who want to come here and work here are able to comply.

I have no idea what you are on about with regards to pensions and assets, and the tax we pay here is very much in line with the UK, if anything we pay less here.

And I’ve been self-employed in Australia for seven years, never done a knowledge test or been asked to do one and I think it’s wise that most tradesmen should get public liability insurance when they are going into other people’s homes, I think it would be foolish not to have it.

Other than that, yes, I agree, anyone planning to come to Australia should look into everything thoroughly.


Meh June 23, 2015 at 6:11 am

Australians remind me of French Canadians, they are drunk, noisy and angry at everybody at all times. Just look at crime rates and local prejudices for proof.


BobinOz June 23, 2015 at 4:54 pm

Meh indeed…

Meh is an interjection used as an expression of indifference or boredom. It may also mean “be it as it may”. It is often regarded as a verbal shrug of the shoulders. The use of the term “meh” shows that the speaker is apathetic, uninterested, or indifferent to the question or subject at hand.’

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meh


Twumbo June 16, 2015 at 2:46 pm

Australia is ok. I’m Australian and live here. It’s frustrating how far behind in everything we are and how much we rely on foreign imports and business.

It’s such a massive land mass that’s pretty much empty except for the coast lines which are dotted with cities and big towns, which again is frustrating since it could be used. I’m surprised a huge Asian company hasn’t bought half our land and actually made something of it. Not sure but we seem to be frozen in time on that one.

Crime is everywhere in the world and if you go looking for trouble you will find it anywhere in the world. There’s a fine and loads of paperwork for EVERYTHING here. Everything is banned here as well which means upsetting millions of people because 5 people whinged about something.

Politicians don’t seem to take their job seriously here either and have a tendency to be favored if they can “neck a beer quicker than Scotty and Barry”.

But you know, there’s not many places where you can walk outside your backyard and hear peace and quiet, friendly neighbours, people who are happy to help and relatively good (sometimes excellent) paying jobs. It’s a place where there’s uncountable numbers of wildlife and rugged landscapes that seem untouched as if no one has ever been. It’s a place where natural beauty is still appreciated over concrete jungles. It’s still developing and growing, slowly perhaps, but by all means its growing one way or another.


BobinOz June 16, 2015 at 5:33 pm

I think being behind it’s a good thing, surely that is a part of preserving natural beauty and trying to fend off the concrete jungle for as long as possible?

As for ‘everything is banned’, I know what you mean, there are a lot of nanny state rules that are absolutely ridiculous and most can be traced back, as you say, to just a small handful of people couldn’t deal with it so now we all have to suffer.

I’d certainly like to see commonsense prevail a bit more often when it comes to some of the silly rules.


Terry Baccus June 7, 2015 at 11:25 pm

I’m not sure about Fred and his opinion. You can’t really say someones opinion is wrong simply because you don’t agree with it (except politicians!).
Looking at it and a bit of a stretch and tongue in cheek could be sort of how some-one looks at it.
I for one was glad that BobinOz didn’t take it down, as having a negative opinion, to me, enhances the positive one and frankly the way Fred put it gave me a chuckle.


BobinOz June 8, 2015 at 8:31 pm

I think Fred gave us all a chuckle, but I have to say though that having an opinion is different from spreading ridiculous propaganda. For example, the suggestion that people who go to university will get raped is quite ridiculous and is not an opinion, it’s just false information.

I could mention many more instances, but I think most sensible people can work them out for themselves.


rachel June 2, 2015 at 6:32 pm

This is pretty much all incorrect! Australia is the best country to live in. We have so much freedom in what we can do. The weather is amazing too. Australia’s crime rate is nothing compared to U.S, Mexico, Russia and a lot of other places. We do have some dangerous animals but what place doesn’t. Don’t be such a judgmental Dick. Anyway why would you make a website saying not to live or visit a certain place, it’s just stupid! Everywhere is good to visit and have a holiday its just preference to where you want to live!


BobinOz June 2, 2015 at 8:59 pm

Rachel, I haven’t made a website saying people should not visit a certain place and I actually love Australia, I think it’s a great place to live. This page though, it’s about what somebody else thinks of Australia, it is not representative of this website.

Oh, and finally, my name isn’t Dick :-)

Cheers, Bob


Norma Sanders June 2, 2015 at 12:39 am

The fact that Australia is so dangerous makes it very awesome! There are many people who are afraid even to visit but for me is really different! I find this place really special and all of the people that I’ve met from Australia seem so friendly! :) I will move there someday!


Rachel June 2, 2015 at 6:34 pm

Yes Norma, i am from australia and it isn’t as dangerous as lots of other places but it is a great country it has lovely weather and the people are defiantly very friendly especially in Perth and darwin i have found. Its a grear place to live


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