And the Best City in Australia to Live in Is…

by BobinOz on February 9, 2011

in Australia's Places

As you probably all know, here at we love a good survey. Well, such a survey was released on January 22nd but, at the time, there was so much going on that it slipped me by.

But thankfully, today, nothing major has happened which is great news, and gives me the chance to tell you about the best city in Australia. First, a little background on this particular poll.

It was commissioned by the Property Council of Australia and 4,072 people in all the capital cities were questioned about where they live.

Apparently, there were 17 key attributes for them to assess for their own cities, including things like outdoor recreational environments, natural environments, cultural entertainment, schools and educational facilities, roads and traffic congestion, public transport, environmental sustainability and the affordability of housing to name just a few of them.

“Get to the point Bob, who won?”


Well, how about that? I was there only the other week. What’s Adelaide look like? This…..

Adelaide viewed from the hills

It's there somewhere

Adelaide viewed from near the beach

Can you see it now?

Adelaide view by the Torrens river

Now you can see it, can't you?

Adelaide, we're in it!

Oh, we're in it!

Adelaide City Centre

Lots of other people are in it too.

For the record, we loved our stay in Adelaide and it did feel like a good place to live. We loved that it was lighter later. Although we are in the middle of summer it still gets dark here in Brisbane by 7 o’clock whereas in Adelaide that doesn’t happen until about 8:40 PM.

What we didn’t like so much were the flies. Sure, we have flies here in Brisbane, but not as many and our flies tend to keep themselves to themselves. Adelaide had the sort of flies that like to get in your face! Why do they do that? Does my face look like a cow’s backside?

Don’t answer that!

Okay, I know you want to know the all the results. So here we go:

  1. Adelaide
  2. Canberra
  3. Melbourne
  4. Perth
  5. Hobart
  6. Brisbane
  7. Darwin
  8. Sydney

For what it’s worth, I was shocked Canberra was so high, not surprised at all that Sydney came last and probably thought that Brisbane should have done better.

Not only did Adelaide win, but South Australia also topped a second list for the best performing government. The full results there were:

  1. South Australia
  2. Victoria
  3. Tasmania
  4. Western Australia
  5. ACT
  6. Queensland
  7. New South Wales
  8. Northern Territory

My only question would be, is 4,072 people divided by eight cities, so just a tad over 500 from each, a big enough sample to make sense?

My thanks to the Property Council of Australia for commissioning this report and you can visit their website at

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Alison June 28, 2015 at 10:25 am

Any discussion in Oz relating to fresh water sources and projections in determining livability of cities in the coming decades? I’m trying to figure out the best location for not-too-hot summers and continued good water availability. My family is mostly around Sydney, I like northern NSW coast, but seems to me that many coastal NSW, QLD, NT, WA areas and inland will lack water – high water prices and restricted lifestyle…


paul June 28, 2015 at 10:32 am

If they listened to people whom know about resources they would dam or catch the fresh water that leaves the Ord River scheme and goes into the ocean, 3 times the size of Sydney Harbor of Fresh water yes fresh water ends up in the ocean every day, now if WA could pipe that south and then onwards to the east there could be life all over Australia like America, but this is the clever country, If they did that it would create jobs to create the infrastructure and the running of the pipeline and catchment areas, However our leaders want us to keep paying more and more for water. Seriously what nation allows that kind of water to become salty especially a nation as dry as this one.


Glynis Robinson June 28, 2015 at 1:24 pm

Hi Alison, The east coast has good rainfall and with the high mountain ridge called Great Diving Range there will always be plenty of fresh water. WA is the dryest state, and yes what Paul said below is correct about our State Government will not put in a pipeline to funnel the fresh water down from the Ord. Our State Government would rather rack up billions in debt building icons to his memory in Perth City. Personally if I was you, I would find a nice place in NSW either North or central coastal area’s. Brisbane hinterland is also very nice.


Terry Baccus June 7, 2015 at 1:51 pm

I was surprised to read about Adelaide. I lived there for about 7 years, I found it “testing” summer – you boil, winter – you freeze, spring – stinging/severe hayfever (even if you don’t get it, you will) due to the huge wheat belt, leaving autumn which is ok.


BobinOz June 8, 2015 at 8:06 pm

I suspect that the things that irritated you about Adelaide did not form part of the 17 key attributes :-)


Glynis Robinson April 19, 2015 at 10:57 am

Hi bob,
Did not know about the Bunbury rip off charge just to swim with dolphins in their natural environment….There is not much at Denham and Monkey Mia. It is a nice family holiday place especially for young kids, lovely beaches. At Monkey Mia you can see the dolphins being fed if you don’t get picked to feed them. But maybe they charge as well, I don’t know…. But I reckon if you walk a fair way up the beach where they feed the dolphins you might be able to wade into the water and they just might come to you. again that’s a maybe. Unless the resort there also has a monopoly there.


BobinOz April 19, 2015 at 8:48 pm

Yes, seemed a lot of money to me too, especially for something that ‘could’ happen at anytime to anyone swimming anywhere in Australia. I was in Augusta yesterday and a couple of dolphins were swimming just about 50 metres from me, if I’d have had my togs on, maybe…


Hilary April 20, 2015 at 12:05 am

Glynis, I don’t think there’s a charge for watching the dolphins come in at Monkey Mia. But I was there a few years ago and maybe that’s changed now. They are wild dolphins and care is taken not to frighten them or have too many people giving them fish. I think Monkey Mia is a purpose-built resort designed to attract tourists with the lure of wild dolphins so you’re right there is nothing much else there. Well apart from magnificent white beaches and blue sea. The Pinnacle Desert is strangely beautiful and worth a visit on the way back to Perth.


Glynis Robinson April 18, 2015 at 9:28 pm

Hi Bob,
I’ve been to Monkey Mia, I found that it was a very long drive out to there hoping to get to feed the dolphins. But they only picked a small number of people and it was not all that it was cracked up to be. However I did like the shell beach and the Stromatolites of Shark Bay
Well worth to see them. Bunbury also has feed the dolphins and next time I’ll go there. Not so far to drive from Perth.


BobinOz April 19, 2015 at 2:23 am

I know what you mean Glynis, but I thought as Tessa was driving past, it might be worth a look. I thought Monkey Mia was more than just feed the dolphins, but as I said, I’ve never been.

Funnily enough, we stayed in Bunbury the other night and my wife looked at that discovery place, you can swim with the dolphins in their natural environment. No guarantee you’ll get close to a dolphin though, that’s down to them, so at $149 each, so $447 for my little family, we gave it a miss.

I was particularly put off by the 7.30 am start; who goes swimming at that time in the morning apart from Jacques Cousteau?

Good tips though Glynis, Tessa will surely find them helpful.

Thanks, Bob


Glynis Robinson April 21, 2015 at 5:01 pm

Hi Bob,
was browsing and came across this trip that someone did. There are a lot of interesting WA places listed.


BobinOz April 22, 2015 at 5:59 pm

Some great pictures, I didn’t want to look too much though, I plan to cover it all myself in one great big road trip around all of Australia and I don’t want to spoil the surprise. :-)

One day, just waiting for the right time.


Tessa April 18, 2015 at 1:17 pm

Hi there!!

I am on a working holiday visa here in Oz, currently in Darwin and looking forward to my trip down the West Coast!! I ended up booking with a tour company since I don’t have my own car here and the bus system for that part of the country was just unreal.

Once I’m down around Perth, though, I have about 2 weeks and am hoping to see some really cool stuff – Esperance, Valley of the Giants, Margaret River, Rottnest Island, and any other suggestions people may give on here.

I am glad I found this website, as it’s full of really useful information!! I think I saw Bob mention multiple times he hasn’t been to Perth (but I didn’t read all the comments, so maybe he’s been since) but if anyone has any advice on where the must-sees are while down there and, more importantly, the best way to get around, I would be forever grateful to you all.



Tessa April 18, 2015 at 1:20 pm

Oops, I just saw your comment about wanting to keep things on topic. I guess in the middle of reading through all the comments I started to get caught up and forgot what the original post was specifically about. I looked for a place to delete my comment but didn’t see one. Sorry!

In terms of the original topic, I’m really looking forward to seeing Brisbane, Melbourne, and Adelaide for myself! I like Darwin more than a lot of the people who’ve commented on this post, but it is very hot and I could never live here for more than 3 months.

Sorry again!


BobinOz April 18, 2015 at 9:14 pm

No worries Tessa, you’re talking about Australian places, that’s on subject. By coincidence, I’m in WA now, did Perth last week, I’m in Margaret River now. Having a great time. You are already cramming a lot in to two weeks, but if you can, add Monkey Mia to your list.

I’ve not been myself, but I’ve heard it’s good. When you’re in Perth, try to pop down to Fremantle for the day, it’s only 30 minutes by train, well worth a look.

Have fun, Bob


Tessa April 19, 2015 at 12:10 pm

Thanks so much!!

My tour will actually be going to Monkey Mia, as well as Shell Beach and Shark Bay, so I’m very excited, even though we won’t have that much time in each place (that’s what you get for doing an organized tour!).

So I just need to focus on south of Perth (And a bit toward the middle) for those two weeks. I’ll definitely try to get down to Fremantle :) thanks! I’ve emailed the TransWA people so hopefully they can help me figure out the bus system and how to best get around.

I’m hoping it will be a really fun trip!

Since you’re currently in Margaret River, is there a lot more to do there than just wineries? Or is it mostly just wineries? haha. Thanks!


BobinOz April 19, 2015 at 9:00 pm

Glad that Glynis and I were able to help. Buses and trains really easy in Perth, some are free! Train to Fremantle was just $11.80 return for me, Mrs Bob and Elizabeth.

MR is a lovely region, but it is mainly wineries, lots of beach, surfing, but with lots of other touristy things to do. It’s definitely not the place to go for nightlife or clubbing though :-)


Hilary April 19, 2015 at 11:54 pm

Hi Tessa, if you get the chance on your tour you can go swimming with whalesharks at Exmouth. There is a charge as it’s out in the ocean with wild creatures but well worth it. Are you going to Karijini National Park by any chance? It’s in the Pilbara and full of spectacular gorges, you can climb down and swim in natural pools, some gorges are tough going but they’re all graded so you can pick the easier ones.

At the other end of the scale there’s beautiful Rottnest Island just off the coast from Fremantle, ferries go from there daily and easy train ride to Freo from Perth, as Bob has said. No cars allowed over there but you can hire a bike and ride round the island. Has a dark past but putting that aside the beaches and island itself are really special. There are many shipwrecks lying beneath the sea between Freo and Rottnest and the Shipwreck Museum in Freo is worth a visit, very poignant.

Pinnacle Tours do coach trips from Perth out east to Wave Rock and also down south to the Treetop Walk and the Southern Ocean. All very good. Have fun!


Tessa April 20, 2015 at 12:43 am

Thanks so much Hilary!!

Swimming with whale sharks is something that’s been top of my bucket list for probably like 10 years now (and I’m only 23 – that’s almost half my life!) So I’m all over that. It was probably the activity I was most excited about for literally my entire year long stay in Australia 😀 I’m very excited for it.

I’ll be in Karijini National Park for 2 nights I think. I’m doing the coral coast with a tour, so I’m letting them decide which hikes were doing – hopefully they’ll choose wisely!

I’ll definitely put the Shipwreck Museum on my list! That sounds cool. Are there any you can snorkel around? Maybe near Rottnest Island? I hear they have quokkas in the wild there. :)

I’ll definitely look into Pinnacle tours, but they might not be running first week of June, when I’ll be in the South West area – most tours I’ve noticed shut by then for “winter.”

Thanks for all your information!!


BobinOz April 20, 2015 at 12:45 am

Just pointing out that Freo = Fremantle. Mrs Bob thought it was some kind of frozen yogurt for a while, until we worked it out :-)


Hilary April 21, 2015 at 12:21 am

Ha ha sorry Bob, so easy to get into the lingo isn’t it. Just add ‘o’ to the end of everything!!


BobinOz April 22, 2015 at 5:06 pm
BobinOz January 30, 2015 at 9:40 pm

Whilst I appreciate everybody’s participation here, I have removed three comments from this conversation because they are simply off topic. I like to keep comments relevant to the post, so if we can continue to talk about the best city in Australia to live in, that would be great.

Many thanks, Bob


Ron January 29, 2015 at 9:24 pm


I also must inform you, am not sure as to what Network Virgin uses, however me thinks there signal will be fine as with any other competitor, most Importantly though, if one Is going to a Wifi Dongle device, make sure it’s the latest 3G/4G compatible.

The Pesident of the Planet


Ron January 29, 2015 at 1:40 pm


My post is offensive??

Obviously you are somewhat Ignorant about the purpose of the DSP pension, it seems you think I gave the DSP to myself….lol

It’s kinda funny you stating that you get “LESS” then what your “FRIEND” does on DSP, yet I could only presume you spend more then $17.50 a week on FUEL, yet you can afford to have PETS and all the associated expenses with having PETS! RATES, INSURANCES, MEDICAL BILLS, CHIrLDRENS EDUCATION…

I’d sincerly like to know as to how you can afford all the above on less then what I get?

All I know is I cannot afford the above mentioned things you have stated, except for my budgeted amount of fuel, and mandatory Greenslip. Of my Vehicle!

Somehow me thinks your telling me PORKYS!

I would luv to know your DEFiNITION of a Holiday…lol

Sorry my bad, you can blame the Gov for that, no one told me I could not live the life I CHOOSE on DSP!

I would sincerly luv to see the type of CAR you drive and the HOUSE you live in on less then what people on DSP get, not to mention your OTHER Deemed exspenes!!

You claim I’m not giving back??? I’d luv to know how you calculate that one??

sorry my bad, I forgot to mention I bought a 2 x $300,000 ideal pads and that I drive a $160,000 luxury camper to travel between my luxury units for my HOLIDAYS all within 10 years of being on DSP, not to mention the hundreds of overseas trips within that time too!!! Seems to me, you have the WRONG job if you cannot afford the luxurys I have!!!!

All I can say is Monah, what ever you do in life, just make sure you don’t end up on DSP yourself and enjoying my luxurious lifestyle too, because KARMA is a bitch, if we ever find out you are, you will be BAGGED like crap, for your Hypocrisy, like your bagging me!!

Just some food for thought!
Aka, The President of the Planet


BobinOz January 29, 2015 at 7:28 pm

Monah, Ron’s comments are not offensive, generally speaking, although you seem to find them so. That’s up to you, but I’m not really sure that you really can judge Ron from where you are, you don’t know him well enough. You say he’s not giving back to the community, he has spent a good deal of his time putting together all this information here, that’s giving back in a way.

If he is prepared to give his time for no reward here, you have no idea how helpful Ron might be on his travels to other people he meets along his journey.

Ron, I think the information you’ve given here is excellent and will help many people who want to choose this lifestyle, including some of those grey nomads we’ve already mentioned. You’ve given some great tips, very helpful. I just wanted to ask if that Virgin Mobile has good coverage? Nothing worse than paying for mobile Internet and then not been able to get a signal anywhere. So, what do you think of their coverage?

As for both of you, you’ve each had your say, this is one of those situations where you are going to have to agree to disagree, but please end it here, this is not the place for an argument of this nature.

Thanks to you both, Bob


monah January 29, 2015 at 6:44 am

apologies in advance,… Bob.
I’m sorry, I find your posts quite offensive Ron although I know they are well meaning. Old aged pensioners aside, I do not find anything uplifting about those who are in benefits holidaying around the country. I work long hours and earn less than my friend who is on a disability pension. However she does many good works in the community, cares for other people and Animals and manages very well in a small country town.

my last break was in March 2012. I and many others have worked very hard to put food on the table. I’m not whining about it, i wouldn’t have it any other way. I’ve had seven day a week businesses, brought up children, cared for cancer stricken parents, done loads of volunteer work as a counsellor, so I do know how tough it is out there for a large percentage of the population.
If you are able to drive long distances and look after yourself, maybe you could drive those less fortunate to medical appointments or help with feeding the homeless or a million other things.
none in my family has ever been on any benefit of any sort, all have worked, often two jobs, or away from home and I was back out there wh en my first child was five weeks old.
I know there are few jobs and if I were injured tomorrow I could very well end up on benefits,. That is what they are for, not for a permanent holiday until you can receive the pension at 67 and then carry on holidaying. You say you are able to SAVE! on disability. Well. I cannot save a thing, it goes on fuel for work, food for pets, rates, insurances, TAXES! medical bills and not long ago, children’s education.
You have a phone and wifi, and I wouldn’t be surprised if you can afford cigarettes, alcohol, take away food etc. Some of us cannot and a day off is a treat, or when we catch up on sleep.
It’s great for you that you can enjoy your lifestyle at the expense of others, maybe you could think about giving back to the community.
There are loads of women who would love to do what you are doing, I. sure someone will come along, I imagine at times it can be very lonely.


Ron January 29, 2015 at 1:28 am


It’s not a bad lifestyle for one whom is on the Newstart, DSP or retired on the Aged Pension ( Aka; Grey Nomad) and does have a license to drive, however i do believe there is a few critical things one must do if you are; other wise it can get a tad depressing if your doing it long term and not meeting the criteria!

1. The min ideal rig should be no smaller then a SLWB Hiace Commutor or if you have a Better bank bal, the go for something the size of a Merc Sprinter, you will thank Me, lol, (bigger then this is even more comfort, but you have to be able to park it) with a decent set up for a kitchen, toilets an showers can be gotten in any town really, even if you have to pay, but if your budget is tight, go for the latest model LWB under 300K Klm n and in as best cond as you can buy as to what you can afford until one can upgrade ASAP! Preffarably a low Klm Deisal version would probably be a better choice over the petrol, however though, they are usually dearer to repair/ replace if you have too!

2. Being able to save a min amount of $250 a fortnight for your replacement vehicle /. Repair until you have a vehicle of a value or age that will see your desired lifespan or potential breakdowns, one on the DSP or Aged Pension should be able to do this if indeed one cooks for one self and moreso does not drink, smoke or gamble or live extravantly ! For these types of vehicles, one can mostly expect a vehicle depreciation value of around $1K a year! For eg; a $10 K Toyota Hiace Commutor should have an estimated lifespan of around 10 years, definatly cheaper then paying rent on a unit or house!

3. Myself, I have found having my own Smart Phone, Ipad an wireless WiFi is an essential part of this lifestyle, a laptop is also good, however, they are bulky and not as portable and can be a drain on the battery, also having these accessories you will be required to charge them, however as you are required mostly to drive daily, this will keep them all charged!

4. When buying a Smart phone, ideally one that is water resistant like the current 2015 Samsung S5 is a top choice (and also will cost you a bucket to buy ) because there will be potential time when You end up spilling liquid!, I have S4 and. It has gotten wet a few time and cost me considerable money to fix each time!

5. When buying a IPad, I have found Apples IPad Air to be really good ( is supposed to be The Mcoy of Ipads), preferable get the biggest Gig type with cellular capabilities, the as if your phone does indeed die, at least you can still make phone calls, just pop in your SIM card or use Skype! The current 2015 version is the Apple a IPad Air 2!

6. Phone credit depends on your usage, if you only going to make very few call a month, in 2015, the Pay As You Go deal from Yatango, i think it’s called, a call rate of like 0.11 cents a min, I doubt you will find cheaper! In 2015, if you are a heavy user, I don’t think you can beat Telstras Boost $40 unlimited credit deal, it’s about the only one that is actually unlimited for that price in 2015!

7. Internet; the cheapest Internet for on the Rd will be a portable 3G/4G Wifi dongle, you should be able to get a good dongle for around $50, also avoid paying for them on a plan as you possible will pay extra, and may also have to be locked into a contract, currently as of 2015, the best data deal I think is with Virgin for $40 / 12 Gigs of data, however there are cheaper deals, depends on your usage, whatever you do, don’t get the SIM card data version for the IPad or you Will pay More then you need to!

8. Apps, there are millions, however the most critical one to have for this lifestyle is Wiki Camps for under $8

9. Climate, if indeed you are going to live this lifstyle, unless you are tough and or crazy, you need to be in the Ideal climate zone, for me, I have found Armidale ( New England NSW) in the summers to be awsome, however there is potential for a fair share of wet times with hail, certainly no shortage of greenery up here then! I have found the Mid North Coastal areas of NSW or anywhere further north to be far to humid, for the winters, Hervey Bay Qld or slightly South is ideal too!

10. If there is anything I have missed, please let us know!



Ron January 24, 2015 at 6:50 pm

I have to say, interesting site, very informative…

The kind of life I am living would definatly not be applicable to the majority of people, however if you / and your partner ( with kids would be awkward) ever find yourself with a legitimate medical condition applicable to get the Disability Support Pension and your ok with not being overly materialistic or very wealthy ( however a single person alone on DSP that does not smoke, drink, a gambler and budget minded, you should have no issue saving $10k a year) living the kind of life I am living, be that is out of the most appropriate camper ( I don’t think you could go past a Toyota Hiace Commutor, for the budget minded person/s, from a starting point of $5k and up you should be able to get something like the above mentioned for starters, the idea is then if you choose this life for the longer term, possible until you can no longer drive, depending the age you start, you could very well have enough money saved to be able to buy into a decent retirement home when the time comes..

As for myself, am not exactly doing as I should atm budgeting wise, however, I know for a personal fact it can be, being able to save…

Depending on where you would like to travel, it is very realistically possible you could end up traveling this Great country of our if it is that so you desire, at this point in time and possible the foreseeable future, this is not a goal for me, what I am doing, is traveling to and living in the most appropriate closest climate range, I was originally from Wauchope NSW, born and bred, now am finally living the ultimate dream, the best closest place for me in the summer seems to be the New England area ( Armidale ) from there I will head to most likely Hervy Bay, or possible somewhere slightly South for the winters…

Sorry for the rant, just thought I’d through something out there from a different perspective of living…

P.S. I am not so confidant there will be many Aussie Female DSP ers 54 an under reading this site ( I’m 46 ) however if there is and you could possible entertain the idea of this lifestyle, I’d luv to here from you, one very important point to consider, this lifestyle is not for the faint hearted, getting food, water, shade is not a problem, however showers and toilets are not always 24/ 7 like you would have living in your own unit or house!



BobinOz January 27, 2015 at 4:39 pm

Thanks for letting us know about your lifestyle Ron, sounds like you’re having fun. Hopefully you will find a female Aussie DSP er to join you at some point to make it more fun.

What you are doing appears to be a slightly different version of the ‘grey nomads’ that we have; that’s the retired who are having similar fun driving around this great country. I intend to be a grey nomad myself at some point – but hopefully with black hair.

Maybe I will see you on the road in about 10 years time :-)

Cheers, Bob


David January 16, 2015 at 5:36 pm

Hi everyone I’ve lived in Hobart with my Chinese wife for nearly 27 months after we moved here from living and working in North China. I’m originally from Hobart and grew up here with my family. I’m planning a move up to Cairns because of the climate and for health, and I believe it will have more and more going for it. It’s also a low rental place to live. I’ve stayed there twice and it’s certainly a lovely place. I can’t wait to show my wife. I also think Port Macquarie would be a lovely place. Maroochydore too but not much going for it from talking to a local. Hobart is lovely as is theTasmania State but it gets cold often and very windy down here. Windy at nearly anytime of the year these days.


BobinOz January 21, 2015 at 2:36 pm

I’ve not yet been to Cairns, but there’s a lot of talk about it on my page about Queensland, most of it positive. Worth a read of those comments if you want to find out more.

Good luck with your move, cheers, Bob


Glynis Robinson January 13, 2015 at 8:46 pm

Try researching these companies for best price. Google – hire campervan sydney

I live in Western Australia country and i see a lot of Britz campervans pass through here so they must be ok.


paul January 12, 2015 at 6:06 pm

For my 2 pence worth, about the title here, I would say :

Adelaide/Melbourne equal of the best cities in Australia to live in.


BobinOz January 13, 2015 at 8:28 pm

I’ll add a pennies worth and say Brisbane.


paul January 12, 2015 at 6:05 pm

After spending a lot of last year in England, I must say including a few hot days in Perth, I am content to be back and out of the UK. Australia for all its ills and bad points is so much easier to live in.


BobinOz January 13, 2015 at 8:26 pm

Can’t say I’m surprised Paul, I know where I prefer to live :-)


White Shark January 12, 2015 at 1:58 am

So it looks like that’s the challenging part of my plan. Something that I initially took for granted like a “car” to drive in…

I’m going to do some research into long term rentals, I’m not sure buying would be the best route but maybe it is. I’d need insurance though and then it might get a bit more complicated and then figure out how quickly I need to sell it before I return.

There must be a way for people who have these type of plans to get it done, I’m just not sure how yet….


BobinOz January 12, 2015 at 6:01 pm

Might be worth you searching for an Australian company called “wicked campers”, I’m sure they do long-term rental, just don’t know how much.


Monah January 12, 2015 at 7:56 pm

noooooo! Wicked Campers are death traps.. sorry, they have a very bad reputation. xxx


BobinOz January 13, 2015 at 8:24 pm

Yes, there was a program about them a year or so ago saying they weren’t maintaining their vehicles properly, but I’ve heard rumours they cleaned up their act since then. I don’t know for sure though, so you right to bring this up Monah.

It would be worth checking the latest information through Google, by that I mean not the articles that are a year or more old. Or check out the other campervan rental companies.


monah January 11, 2015 at 10:42 am

hi, about the hire car, you will probably be better off buying on. They are very expensive to hire here and if you drop a car back to a different location it can cost very big $$$. As you have already seen , pets require a long quarantine period in your own country, I think it may be six months of tests for many diseases such as rabies and titre tests, then an expensive quarantine period here of from ten days to a month. Also, it is very difficult to rent here with pets and not many holiday places allow them, and they certainly would not be allowed in a hire vehicle. I wish you all the best with your venture.. xx


BobinOz January 11, 2015 at 10:07 pm

Monah is right, it would be expensive to rent a car for three months so buying one may well work out cheaper. You would need to line up someone to send it to a few weeks or more before you are leaving though, so that’s not ideal either.

Maybe search for ‘long-term car rental’ and see what comes up? Good luck with those midnight trades :-)


White Shark January 11, 2015 at 2:25 am

Bob, I just noticed my posts time and they’re in East Coast Oz time. I just posted at 11.11 AM here in the east coast of U.S and it showed as 2:11 AM on your blog. The stock market opens at 9:30 AM N.Y time and closes at 4 PM. So if I was in Sydney or anywhere along the east coast of NSW or QLD, I’d start trading at 12:30 AM. Ouch….. that would be very tough indeed. I never placed a trade while falling half asleep, I’m not sure I want to do that…..LOL


White Shark January 11, 2015 at 2:11 am

Thanks Glynis and Bob for your input. We’re probably going to leave my pets at home, that’s my initial thought now. I just thought of another thing. For us to pull this off we need a car. Can we rent a car for 3 months free of mileage ? Like, pick it up in Sydney and return it in Cairns. Is that possible and how much do you think that will cost ? I really don’t want to have to buy a car and re-sell it after 3 months as that would run me quite a bit more $$$…..


Glynis Robinson January 10, 2015 at 12:24 pm

Hi White Shark, I personally think that you will need more than 3 months in Australia, even to do justice to your plans of of driving from Sydney to Cairns. It is a long way and there is lots to see just along the coast road, let alone if you planned to divert off any where along the way. It is 2672kms straight through without traffic and tolls allowances. see Your animals will be a problem because they would have to be in quarantine for a long time before coming into Australia. check with this dept. probably best to put them in care at home until you return. As for visa’s go here Hope this helps. at least it is a starting point.


BobinOz January 11, 2015 at 12:31 am

Hi WhiteShark

I agree with Glynis, partly, inasmuch as it is going to be pretty impossible to bring your pets with you, which brings me to your main problem which is the kind of visa you might be able to get.

To really find out what your options are, you would need to speak to a MARA registered migration agent, they are the only ones qualified to give you visa specific advice. From what you’ve told me though about your age and your line of work, I think it’s going to be very difficult for you to get any kind of visa that will allow you to work here.

That may well mean your only option might be a holiday visa which will not allow you to work whilst you are here. On that basis, and this is where I disagree slightly with Glynis (sorry Glynis) I think three months to hike up the east coast from Sydney to Cairns is better than nothing and you will get to see quite a bit. Who knows, maybe you could even get a six month holiday visa.

That’s where a migration agent would come in very useful.

As far as I am aware though, even if you are here on holiday, that doesn’t mean you cannot log on to the Internet and do a trade or two, I’m sure many people connect with their job back home whilst here on holiday and I’m sure there’s nothing wrong with that.

Good luck, Bob


WhiteShark January 10, 2015 at 1:13 am

Hi Bob, I’ll post my comment here since this may be a better section –

Just discovered this website and it’s great, thanks for doing this and keeping up with it.

I’ll keep my story short. My parents moved to Australia from Argentina in 1970 when I was 9 years old, we went back in 1979 when I turned 18 and I’ve never been back ever since. I’m dying to get back even if just for a working vacation or a prolonged vacation and drive around this wonderful country. I’m now 53 have 2 kids 15 and 18 yrs old and have been living in the U.S since 1983 so I couldn’t leave them on a permanent basis cause I would be miserable without my kids in my life. So moving permanently is out of the question. One is already in University and the other is 2 years away so that’s when I’m planing my temporary escape.

I’m a tennis pro and have traveled the world quite a bit as a player and coach. But for the past 3 years I only coach in the afternoon and trade the stock market in the morning and doing quite well. I can do that anywhere in the world except it’d be tough in Australia as it would be anywhere from 12-14 hrs difference from Australia’s east coast to the U.S east coast.

So here’s my question –

Do you think it would be hard to get a working vacation since the employer knows you’d be leaving and there’s no incentive to give you temporary employment. Or, try to trade the market and sustain myself that way until I’m ready to go back to the U.S ? I was thinking of staying in Oz for about 3 months or so….

Oh, and I also have 2 big dogs and a big Macau parrot so that may put a damper on my adventurous plans.

If you or anybody anyone has any ideas as to how to pull this off I’d love to hear it. I’m thinking of driving from Sydney all the way to Cairns and stop along the way, maybe stay a week or so in each place on a moment’s notice. What are my options as far as Visas, where to stay etc….


Arthur October 10, 2014 at 10:37 am

What do you have to say about New Castle?
I heard some diferents things about there, and i have a oportunit to study and live there.


BobinOz October 10, 2014 at 10:22 pm

Well, I’ve only driven through it, never actually stopped to have a look around. That you might be interested in reading this…


Arthur October 11, 2014 at 1:41 am

Tks Bob

The link is very interesting..
Sounds good there, i hope.. hehe
On my way soon


Ken October 9, 2014 at 7:15 pm

I’m currently living in Adelaide. Great place to bring up my young children. But……. its like a ghost town.. I’m originally from London.. I left London for the quiet life and should have been contempt but like another poster wrote. its hard to break into social circles here. The people we are seeing are other Pom’s and to be fair I want to break the mould and meet Australian friends but it seems they have their own circle and its very formal. also the work situation is a lot harder. the old cliché of its not what you know is very true here… other than that its perfect. once I find my social aspect of the Australian life then I’ll feel a lot better.


BobinOz October 10, 2014 at 9:12 pm

They say be careful what you wish for, you wanted a quieter life, but then you got Adelaide :-) I’ve heard from so many people that there’s really not much going on over there, but I did find it an extremely friendly city when I was there.

I’ve also heard that work is very scarce down that way at the moment.

As for friends, I kind of know what you mean, I came here with the same idea as you but the reality is I do have more English friends than Aussies, sometimes it’s just the way it turns out. I’m pretty sure the social part of Australian life will fall into place for you soon enough.

Cheers, Bob


paul October 7, 2014 at 5:47 pm
BobinOz October 8, 2014 at 12:12 am

I had to check the date first, just to make sure it’s not April 1. Nope, it’s not.

Well, they do say that statistics can be made to prove just about anything if you try hard enough.


Glynis Robinson October 5, 2014 at 7:19 pm

Hi Paul, You have got it all down pat….. Australia was a land of milk and honey back in the 60’s when my parents emigrated here…. But unfortunately it has changed very drastically since then. You have described it better than I’ve ever seen on here.


Hilary October 6, 2014 at 7:32 am

I agree Glynis and Paul. I think anyone who goes to Aus has to arrive with their eyes wide open and be prepared to tough it out for as long as it takes. It’s a truly amazing country but not everyone can come over expecting to have the ‘Aussie dream’, that’s just a fantasy peddled by the media and the ‘instant gratification’ mob. As with anything it takes hard graft and the willingness to stick with it. Things are even more difficult now, as I’ve heard, with the downturn beginning to bite. Best to leave the rose-tinted glasses back at home!


BobinOz October 6, 2014 at 3:14 pm

When I talk about life in Australia it is very much by comparison with what my life was like back in the UK. Frankly, I still think I’m living in paradise, what you have to remember is that other countries including the UK have their own problems as well.

By comparison, I still think Australia is a fantastic country.

As for two dollars for parking here, some people back in the UK would bite your hand off to park so cheaply. I just googled the cost of parking at the train station in Billericay where I used to live, and it costs between £5.10 and £10.30 ($9 – $18) per day, you can see the tariff here.



Paul October 6, 2014 at 3:34 pm

Hi Bob,

If you noticed I never compared oz to anywhere else except I just told it as it was here, and if I was going to compare Australia to anywhere it would be the USA not the UK, I will agree that is a lot of coin 50 plus pounds to park for a week, surely you could of taken the bus to the station though?

Australia may be okay to live but its getting constantly harder and harder here.


BobinOz October 6, 2014 at 8:11 pm

Hi Paul

No, I know you didn’t compare Oz to anything, but I do, that’s what I do on this website. Everything is relative, and people considering moving to Australia simply want to know if they are going to be living somewhere that is better than where they have come from.

So comparisons are important.

You are saying you have “told it as it was here” I’m just saying that has to be taken into context. Many of the problems you have mentioned are far worse in other countries including the UK, USA and South Africa, and much of my readership comes from those countries. So I’m just putting it into perspective.

Cheers, Bob


paul October 5, 2014 at 5:54 pm

I have read most of these, and I have traveled most roads between Perth and Sydney and lived in all southern cities. which I would say its like IMO for professional office kind of people like myself

For work Sydney/ Melbourne (if you are chasing $$$ try Canberra for Federal roles)
For eating out : Adelaide (You can not beat SA for food and wine)
Road system ( Melbourne even in peak hours)
Train system (Sydney/Melbourne) Trams (Melbourne)
For Overall livability . 1 Melbourne, 2 Adelaide, 3 Canberra, 4 Sydney, 5 Perth

The issue with all Aussie cities is they are only 2-3KM circular of the CBD and that is about it, then Westfield rules supreme, as does Bunnings and Masters and those drab Homemaker centers on the welcome into towns like Frankston, Each city has a Casino which seems to be the central point to meet at night, which speaking most Australian cities at night turn feral and dangerous.

The mining boom into Australia really did not deliver much to the everyday local except for higher home prices all good but hey that house two streets away has gone up the same amount as the one you are selling, as did rates, food, etc etc, loads of broke cities and towns introduced park parking 7 days a week till 9pm at night, WA introduced paid parking at train stations, $2 a day but hey that adds up especially when stats show that real wage growth in Australia over the past Boom era only went up by 1.2% on average taking into account CPI running at 3-4% over the same time period. Australia isnt the land of milk and honey that the myth trys to make it out to be, we dont all live in a Cafe down at Summer bay, we have to work and for most on average wages its getting harder and harder for most.

There is no utopia but its 2014, house prices and utilities plus food are overall at number 2 in the world behind Norway, the Car industry is going to be gone in 2016, as it Alcoa from Geelong, Kellogs from NSW, Australia doesnt own its own major breweries, It imports most of its petrol as its refineries are closing except 2 one in Perth and NSW all the others are becoming fuel import facilities, Australia doesn’t have a defense industry as such, nor much major manufacturing, Oil and gas are booming but you need loads of experience to get into those fields, the transitioning economy is turning to services however those are proving to be too costly to run here so companies like Qantas, Virgin, Telcos, banks etc etc are using Asian low cost centers instead.

I am not putting you off just dont think Australia is all sunshine that sunshine comes at a cost, and it can be 40 degrees without a cloud in the sky perfect day for a cold beer on the beach right? but wrong you are at work trying to live the Australian dream…..

Enjoy :-)


Milan February 25, 2014 at 2:27 pm

Sure Glynis, it’ll be a great help.

Much appreciated.



Glynis Robinson February 24, 2014 at 2:44 pm

look up to see if there is a trade union or trade association in Australia for your qualifications. They may be able to help with job prospects……… Also make sure you apply for the correct visa……. ask immigration dept.

I hope that these sites help you


Milan February 24, 2014 at 1:53 pm

Hi Bob & Glynis,

Your kind responses are truly appreciated. Completely understand, the limited info available online for this occupation is not helping much, I’ll take a queue from your directions and take my research further.
Good news :-) got nominated by SA (DMITRE) & the invitation to apply against my EOI this morning, I’ll go ahead with the visa application now.
Adelaide has started to look like our future home & I’ll be glued to this site for any more inputs on SA.
Job-hunting is the next big step & any guidance on how, who & where to approach in SA would be a great help.




Glynis Robinson February 24, 2014 at 12:51 pm

Hi Milan, Try this site for answers to your question.


Milan February 22, 2014 at 2:45 pm

Hi there,

We’re planning of moving to Australia very soon and have initiated the skilled-migrant PR process some 4 months back and have been big fans of this web-site since our planning days.
About us, we are a small Indian family with 8 yrs young daughter, my wife is a qualified Homoeopathic doctor (& a life-style expert) with flourishing private-practice & a government job since 13+ yrs. & I work as a Deivery Head for an Indian MNC in ICT domain.
I’ve submitted the EOI (visa sub-class 190) against nominated occupation of a CIO (135111) with 65 points, have secured +ve skill-assessment through ACS & IELTS band 8.5, have also applied for state sponsorship to South Australia. Now, waiting for the EOI to get picked-up and will take it further from there.
Adelaide looks to us as a perfect place to see our daughter grow-up and for us to have a peaceful and calm life (we’re not mall hoppers :-), our main concerns are on my wife’s professional future. We would not want to wind-up our well-settled financial standing here and land in Adelaide to end up struggling, getting frustrated & cursing our decision to migrate.
Understand, ICT is an emerging industry & I should be able to land in a decent job once I start job-hunting, but would need your guidance to help us understand what prospects would a qualified & well experienced Homoeopathic doctor have in South Australia, what would be the options for her to utilize her skills & experience once she’s there?
Any and all help shall be truly appreciated.



BobinOz February 24, 2014 at 12:46 pm

Well, this isn’t something I can help you with Milan, I have absolutely no understanding of the homoeopathic industry here in Australia, so I couldn’t possibly give you any advice on how best to utilise her skills and experience here.

Maybe you should see if you can find some kind of homoeopathic governing body here and speak to them.

Good luck, Bob


jacquie February 17, 2014 at 2:58 pm

Hi all… I grew up and lived my childhood in Canberra and country NSW. These were ok as a child but not as a teen or young adult. I found that Canberra is more like a big country town but very expensive to live. expensive housing, petrol, food and most the year its either so cold you need continuous heating or so bloody hot you need cooling. it used to have 4 seasons.
Now its just dead dry and baron in freezing winter or dead dry and baron in stinking summer. It is at least a 2 hr drive down a big mountain to the coast,(thats not in peak time, one road in one road out traffic stops and can take hours and hours in holiday times).
Then lived in Brisbane for 10 years which I must say i loved. Although if you need to go into the city peak hours is mayhem, and if you want to hit the coast either north to sunshine or south to gold coast on a fri arvo or sat morn or holiday time its Mayhem. Roads are not keeping up with the huge amount of people moving up here. Even though it seems like constant roadworks everywhere.
Now living on gold coast. In a nice area near the theme parks. great playgrounds and bbq areas, beautiful beaches and rivers. But high crime, traffic is crazy, people are rude. very hard to make friends and Ive never had that problem, have friends all over australia. And food, coffee and service is aweful! it really is far a few in between finding good food and service. It is expensive because it is a tourist area. I feel sorry for tourist that visit here as people are rude, slow and terrible food. If you are a foodie then Brissy definately a better option. Brisbane has not got nice beaches but jump in your car and head to sunshine or gold coast with all the others to have a great day at the beach. We were looking where to move to from here. Perhaps north of brissy up anywhere to Bundaberg. or maybe even down vic way. But seeing their ridiculously hot weather and fires brings back to many memories of Canberra and south NSW.
Adelaide was an option but again the weather extremes from so hot hot hot to freezing cold. makes me think Im in the right state, just not the right area. ..Best of luck to all those looking to move to our wonderful country!!!


BobinOz February 17, 2014 at 8:16 pm

Sounds like a vote for Brisbane to me Jacquie and if it is, I couldn’t agree more. I love it here too, wouldn’t swap it for any other city.

Cheers, Bob


Kelly February 11, 2014 at 3:12 am

I think that’s exactly what I’m going to do,
thank you Bob|



Glynis Robinson February 11, 2014 at 12:37 pm

Hi Kelly & Bob, I agree with Bob on where to go. Although I came to Perth in 1991 through necessity, I feel that you would be better off on the east coast. So much more to see and more job prospects. And when the southern states get cold then travel up to tropical Queensland.


Kelly January 21, 2014 at 8:49 am

Hi there,
I’m Kelly (Italian/British nationality) and I’m in great need of advice. I’m 28 and applying for a working holiday visa to Australia, and as short as a year may seem I really don’t know where to go. Most of the people I know go to Perth, I personally thought of Melbourne, Sidney and Brisbane…and even thought I have visited all of these places about a decade ago, I can’t remember much and I really can’t make my mind up. I am planning to go from March/April of this year to the next and would like some advice on which place could be the best considering employment, life cost, climate, (night-life) people…

Thank you


BobinOz January 21, 2014 at 11:45 pm

My view is definitely not Perth. Go east coast then you can visit Melbourne, Sydney AND Brisbane. There’s much more to see over the eastern side and better nightlife.


Jesse Aru November 30, 2013 at 7:03 pm

Hi all, have been to Melbourne back in July, and Brisbane in August, sadly as a friend passed away from cancer, but I’m not here to make everyone sad! I got to see more than just Coorparoo this time, places like Greenslopes and New Farm were some areas that I saw. As much as I love Sydney, Brisbane seemed better. It was less crowded everywhere, housing was so much cheaper, even right in the CBD, it was sunnier, and had pleasant temperatures, and the locals are a lot friendlier than Sydney’s TBH.
But I wouldn’t want to live there, Melbourne’s already on the top of my list :)

Also, completely off-topic, but I’ve also returned from September, October and a lot of November living in Orne Department, Normandy (near the town of Flers). Beats Melbourne, Sydney or Brisbane any day of the week 😛


BobinOz December 1, 2013 at 8:11 pm

Orne Department, Normandy better than Australian cities? Mais non! Quelle horreur!


Warwick Tyler October 27, 2013 at 9:09 am

As an Australian, I will say this – there is no way that Adelaide can compare to Sydney! Adelaide is a provincial town whereas Sydney is a true international city! Absolutely no comparison! If you want a quieter life – go to Adelaide.


BobinOz October 27, 2013 at 7:44 pm

I think that’s the difference, do you want a hectic fast paced lifestyle or a quiet life? London can’t be compared with, say, Bath, but you would certainly live in Bath if you want to chill out more.


Glynis Rose Robinson October 27, 2013 at 7:51 pm

No one could or would compare Adelaide or any other capital City in Australia with Sydney. All the capital cities in this wonderful country are different and suit all different peoples tastes. I personally like Adelaide very much as I do with Darwin. I do not like crowds or lots of traffic and do not like Sydney for that reason. Yes I have lived in Sydney and I could not get out of there fast enough. If you are a person that loves the big international style cities, then you will love Sydney.
But if you like the laid back and relaxed style of living then you will like Adelaide, Perth and maybe Brisbane (it has been 20 years since I lived in Brisbane so do not know it now) . I cannot speak for Melbourne as I have never been there.
Glynis Robinson
loving my semi retirement in a small country town in the West Australian wheatbelt.


BobinOz October 28, 2013 at 5:11 pm

Very true Glynis, very true.

I can confirm that Brisbane is still pretty laid-back, but not as laid-back as either Adelaide or Darwin, I don’t know about Perth I’ve not been yet.


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