And the Best City in Australia to Live in Is…

by BobinOz on February 9, 2011

in Australia's Places

As you probably all know, here at we love a good survey. Well, such a survey was released on January 22nd but, at the time, there was so much going on that it slipped me by.

But thankfully, today, nothing major has happened which is great news, and gives me the chance to tell you about the best city in Australia. First, a little background on this particular poll.

It was commissioned by the Property Council of Australia and 4,072 people in all the capital cities were questioned about where they live.

Apparently, there were 17 key attributes for them to assess for their own cities, including things like outdoor recreational environments, natural environments, cultural entertainment, schools and educational facilities, roads and traffic congestion, public transport, environmental sustainability and the affordability of housing to name just a few of them.

“Get to the point Bob, who won?”


Well, how about that? I was there only the other week. What’s Adelaide look like? This…..

Adelaide viewed from the hills

It's there somewhere

Adelaide viewed from near the beach

Can you see it now?

Adelaide view by the Torrens river

Now you can see it, can't you?

Adelaide, we're in it!

Oh, we're in it!

Adelaide City Centre

Lots of other people are in it too.

For the record, we loved our stay in Adelaide and it did feel like a good place to live. We loved that it was lighter later. Although we are in the middle of summer it still gets dark here in Brisbane by 7 o’clock whereas in Adelaide that doesn’t happen until about 8:40 PM.

What we didn’t like so much were the flies. Sure, we have flies here in Brisbane, but not as many and our flies tend to keep themselves to themselves. Adelaide had the sort of flies that like to get in your face! Why do they do that? Does my face look like a cow’s backside?

Don’t answer that!

Okay, I know you want to know the all the results. So here we go:

  1. Adelaide
  2. Canberra
  3. Melbourne
  4. Perth
  5. Hobart
  6. Brisbane
  7. Darwin
  8. Sydney

For what it’s worth, I was shocked Canberra was so high, not surprised at all that Sydney came last and probably thought that Brisbane should have done better.

Not only did Adelaide win, but South Australia also topped a second list for the best performing government. The full results there were:

  1. South Australia
  2. Victoria
  3. Tasmania
  4. Western Australia
  5. ACT
  6. Queensland
  7. New South Wales
  8. Northern Territory

My only question would be, is 4,072 people divided by eight cities, so just a tad over 500 from each, a big enough sample to make sense?

My thanks to the Property Council of Australia for commissioning this report and you can visit their website at

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{ 387 comments… read them below or add one }

Gordon February 10, 2011 at 9:33 pm

Personal point of view , having lived in and visiting a number of capital cities within Australia and overseas , I’d be quite happy to never have to see a capital or large ( >500,000 ) city ever again.

In my experience as an ex Sydney sider , most dwellers there rarely see the best parts which are either (a) the harbour or (b) outside of Sydney .

There was a “happiness” survey undertaken a while back ( it should be done every year I think ) and these are the results –

( please note – I am not familiar with this website , it’s a google result from my search based on prior knowledge of the results of the survey )

In part ( click on link to read full story )
“The happiest electorates tend to be those outside the capital cities,” Prof Cummins said. “They tend to be the rural towns small cities that are away from the major metro cities,” he said.
The happiest place in the country is Wide Bay, home to Fraser Island, Hervey Bay, Maryborough, Bundaberg and Gympie

I happen to live in Hervey Bay :-) :-) :-)

Nearly 12 years now after 25 years in and around Cairns ( a close second in my opinion )

For me , comparing big cities is like comparing turnips with cow pats regarding which one tastes better.

For the record , I’ve never actually tasted a turnip but I was offered the choice 😉

To a fair degree , a city is a city is a city wherever . The society extends far beyond those zones.

A city is a place to travel through to get to somewhere I want be. For me anyway.


Deborah July 11, 2011 at 12:59 pm

Hi, Hervey Bay resident here too!


SPAN October 11, 2012 at 5:48 pm

Please let us know how happy Maryborough is if FTA replicates what they have done at Parafield.

This has proven to us that Australian Residents have no say when it comes to foreign investments (particularly from Chuna/Uk/US) adversly affecting their amenity. We wewe so happy, now many being stuck here, hate the place.

Please learn from us, Salisbury has 120,000 inhabitants, the pollution they have to put up with can happen anywhere as transport Departments are arrogantly corrupt, & EPA are useless in this regard!!


stuart July 15, 2013 at 11:53 am

Hervey Bay’s a dump and full of bogans.
Sydney’s northern beaches are a great place to live and Sydney is by far the best city.
Peregian on the sunshine coast where I live now is quite a good place but too quiet
Have travelled all over OZ and came here 40 years ago from o/seas so not biased in any way.
Best city for young people is probably Perth but may as well be on the moon.


BobinOz July 15, 2013 at 10:13 pm

I can’t agree with you about Hervey Bay, I was there a while back for a holiday, had a great time. I found it to be a really relaxing, laid-back and easy-going seaside town.



Arthur October 10, 2014 at 10:31 am

Hi everyone,

I´m moving to New Castle, NSW.
How about there?



BobinOz February 11, 2011 at 8:37 pm

Interesting thoughts. I can’t remember where I read it, but I think it’s true to say that either 80% or it may be 85% of all Australians live in a major city. Not sure what they classed as a major city though.

But there are also hundreds of smaller communities and I’ve driven through quite a few of them. Most of them have a “high street” and they almost always have a pub. I live in a city, but I’d have to drive for about 12 minutes to get to the nearest pub. That’s ridiculous!

So I think some of these smaller towns would be fun to live in. Maybe one day I will try it. That said, where I live in the Western suburbs of Brisbane, it’s like living in the countryside. It is like a small community.

It just needs a pub!


Kathryn February 18, 2011 at 8:45 pm

These type of lists are very subjective (you can ask 1000 people where the best place to live in and you would get 1000 different answers). The point is that most people coming into Australia prefer to live in Sydney (for obvious reasons). Its a big, international city of great beauty with an incredible amount of world class restaurants, bars, nightlife (that goes 24:7), all night shopping, gorgeous beaches and a fabulous laid-back lifestyle. The people of Sydney are (on the most part) very friendly for a city of nearly 4 million. You have got unlimited world heritage listed wilderness areas and fabulous National Parks within 2-3 hours drive from the city centre, eg Blue Mountains, Jervis Bay NP, Hunter Valley and the south coast hinterland (to name just a few). I’ve travelled right throughout Australia and Sydney to Melbourne (to me) and Tasmania offers the very best in what is great about this country. When I saw that the NT (Darwin, no less) supposedly outranked Sydney and Melbourne, I thought it was hilarious. Darwin is an absolute hole .. I have been there many times and it gets more and more depressing. It is infested with mosquitoes and crocodiles; you cannot swim on any of the beaches and the weather is either hot and wet or VERY hot and VERY wet. No thanks!


Boe January 4, 2014 at 8:37 pm

Totally agree with you on all points. I was born and bred on the peninsula of the northern beaches of Sydney. This is where all the overseas celebs flock to in the summer (as well as half of inner Sydneysiders on the weekend) and for good reason. Being on the northern beaches is a TOTALLY different lifestyle to the inner city life. You are living a beach lifestyle, and though many work in the city, life is very different at home. It’s like being in another place altogether. Then, as you move your way further north up the northern beaches it becomes like a large fishing village almost, with Avalon having almost total seclusion in some ways from the rest of the world. Once you are round the Bilgola bends, you are in God’s Country. (Yes, I am biased). It’s this little section that are like a little slice of Heaven. Unfortunately there are a lot of east Sydney idiots there now, plus a lot of ungratefuls who don’t know how good they have it. But there are plenty of great people living there too, and a lot of artistic and cultural people. Actually, quite a diversity of little circles, so it’s just a matter of sticking your head out and saying hi and letting people know what you are interested in. The weather is bearable in Sydney and it has distinct seasons, which I love. The bonus is that you can then take a drive or bus into the city and EVERYTHING is there. Get your hit and when you have had enough, get out of the city and back to the beaches. Even going way south of the city there are some gorgeous areas. If you are craving the mountain air, take a drive or train to the Blue Mountains. It’s gorgeous there. I also love the grand old homes up Turrumurra/Hornsby/Pymble way with their beautiful old gardens with massive oaks trees, etc. Sydney has it all, as far as anything goes.
I lived in Canberra for nine years. It was a hole when I lived there as a teenager
(though fantastic cycling paths everywhere and a beautiful ride around the lake), and a hole when I was visiting a relative for years after. Not much outlet except nowadays there are apparently lots of great cafes. You could drive from one end to the other and not realise you have been past the city. The people tend to keep to themselves by comparison to other cities, but we were lucky to have fabulous neighbours. Basically a boring city, but there are some perks for a few.
Brisbane, after 10 years, is starting to get dull. It is STILL like a big country town in some respects. Lots of bogans here, rich ones too. The place is football obsessed. I’ve never come across so many people into rugby, even the chicks. I have nothing against the game, or of people enjoying it, but it really seems to be the city’s main pass time. There is a thriving underground cultural side though, which is fabulous. The GOMA gets some excellent international exhibitions which can make you feel spoiled for. But really, once you go outside the 5km radius of the CBD (actually, that’s generous… let’s make that 2km), life turns much into same same, getting more bogan-ish as you travel out. Most of the culture has come from sea changers from Melbourne and Sydney. Also, it’s starting to get that peak traffic feel of Sydney (though nothing like crossing the Sydney harbour bridge at peak hour….or New York city, come to think of it!) and the longer you live here, the more you think a 30 minute drive is too far, so then peak hour starts to bug you more and more when, on really bad days, it takes almost an hour to travel into or out of the CBD compared to 5 or so minutes on weekends (depending where you are travelling from). Worst thing about Brisbane is the queenslander cottages, designed by an imp who doesn’t understand Queensland weather. In Spain they have high, high ceilings and double brick walls to deal with the heat. Queenslanders have weatherboard with no insulation, great big open rooms that take a lot of energy to air condition, and in winter, because it actually does get cold, the same bad design makes it hard to warm the house. The inner suburbs where all the most interesting people and activities are is where you will find the Queenslanders. Did I also mention the heat is disgusting. I’m over it. Plus the cost of living now rival the bigger cities. Price of housing is fast catching up too. So it’s no longer a cheap option to move to Brisbane. Life is slower in Brisbane compared to Sydney without being Hicksville. But then, it’s like that in Melbourne too, only with a lot more going on. I would have picked Melbourne but I went for the “beautiful one day, perfect the next” weather, which was just advertising propaganda. Summer used to be my favourite time of the year, but now it’s just unpleasant with the constant heat. Melbourne weather is crazy, but at least you can get really dressed up in winter! 😉 No one in Brisbane ever wears a trench coat. :p
Top spot for me is the northern beaches of Sydney. A little on the expensive side…ok, a lot… but getting past those Bilgola bends is a great feeling. My next move though will probably be to a smaller city, or overseas to a bigger one. 😉


BobinOz February 20, 2011 at 7:06 pm

Hi Kathryn

Got to agree with you on this one, at best a survey of this size can only be regarded that mildly interesting. It’s certainly not definitive.

But one thing is for sure, we all have different tastes and preferences. As I’ve mentioned here and elsewhere, I’m not a great lover of Sydney. You clearly adore the place and I know quite a few other people that do as well. But then, on the other hand, I was speaking to someone who moved from England to Darwin recently and he thinks he’s found paradise. We are all different.

Which is great, because otherwise we’d all be living in the same place!




Cyberphi April 3, 2011 at 5:09 pm

Hi all,
I’m a pom in Australia and I’ve lived in Sydney, now been five years in Adelaide (came here for a job) … and I can report that Adelaide’s not the great place to live that some people seem to think it is. Sure, it’s quiet, easy, cheap … but also very, very dull (if you want quiet and cheap there are much better options than this). There’s a reason it is the only Australian city with falling population – outside of festival time, there is really very little going on. Honestly, you could fire a cannon down my street most of the day and not hit anyone – and I live within ten mins of the CBD.

For incomers it’s particularly hard as most people are from here (‘Adelaide is a city you leave; Sydney and Melbourne are cities you go to’) which means that by my age (late 30s) everyone I meet has a firmly fixed circle of friends that they’ve known since high school, and little need to meet newcomers. As a result, most of my friends here are fellow blow-ins – that wasn’t the case in Sydney, where I had a circle of Aussie friends (and really, if you’re going to be friends only with other Brits, why be here at all?) So Adelaide is socially trickier.

It’s also a very closed-down kind of place – fine if all you want to do is hang out on your deck or whatever, but it closes down for days on end at Christmas, New Year and Easter (this year, for five days straight at Easter hardly anything is open – shops, cafes, stuff going on – I am getting out, to Sydney, because I feel I have to – it is not like this in any other Australian capital city). Similarly, I took my car to a car wash today, Sunday (one of those service wash places) because you have to do it on the weekend as they CLOSE AT 5pm all week! Unbelievable. In Sydney, this kind of thing is 24/7. For the record, also, my gym is also closed at 2pm on the weekends, and the supermarkets are hardly open on the weekend – it is like Britain in the 1950s here in Adelaide.

So – I’m leaving here as soon as I can get a job set up in Sydney or Melbourne. Adelaide is the opposite of dynamic and I feel I’m atrophying here professionally and personally. If you’re considering where to live in Australia and Adelaide is on your list, I’d reconsider. The only exceptions might be if you’re really self-contained socially and/or you have a young family and one income – it’s cheap and easy here, and very parent-oriented. But if you’re youngish, and/or dynamic, and/or into arts/culture, you could do a lot better than Adelaide.


BobinOz April 4, 2011 at 10:05 pm

Hi Cyberphi

Thanks for your insights on Adelaide. It sounds like having done five years, you’ve done more than enough, So you’re plotting your escape.

I’m not surprised by your comments, when I was there I spoke to an Englishwoman and, although the conversation was very brief, she also managed to say exactly the same as you. Outside of those two festivals, the Adelaide Fringe and the Santos bike thing, she said nothing happens at all. Very quiet and a bit dull. The way she spoke you could tell she was yearning to live somewhere a little more exciting.

Which makes it all even the more strange that Adelaide has topped this list. But as I mentioned in the post and Kathryn implied in her comment, the amount of people they spoke to was never really enough to give an accurate answer. Dare I mention it, but I’ve heard people say similar things about Perth, not much happens there either apparently.

Or Canberra, come to think of it.

So that just leaves Sydney, Melbourne and my favourite place, Brisbane. I may have just started and interstate war here.


Angela M Derzaph May 17, 2011 at 11:28 am

Thank you again Bob for the great information. I just sent you an email with this very question and once again you are ahead of me. Your site has proved invaluable!!
Your Friend


BobinOz May 17, 2011 at 2:48 pm

Ah but Angela, beware!

In this post I am simply talking about a very small survey that took place here in Australia. As you can see from the comments, many people disagree with Adelaide and doubt the validity of the survey.

Personally, I think Brisbane is the best city to live in, which is why I live in Brisbane. Angela, I’ll email you separately with my thoughts.




Angela M Derzaph May 17, 2011 at 2:58 pm

Thanks, my Oz Buddy Bob!!! :-)


Angela M Derzaph May 17, 2011 at 3:05 pm

I loved your comments Kathryn, your Darwin insights have
solidified that it would not be the place for us.


Kathryn July 12, 2011 at 11:52 pm

Thanks Angela. I hope I am not dissuading you from your plans (to visit Darwin) but I have to confirm that I would NEVER live there. There are so many crocs in the place, I was too scared to take a bloody bath! Hahaha! The main reason I dislike Darwin and Brisbane is that there are no real change of seasons – they only have a hot/dry to hot/wet season and I REALLY love to see the FOUR seasons of the year as you do in Sydney, Melbourne, Hobart and Canberra. Its so nice to see the autumn leaves, spring flowers changing into summer. Also the terrific thing about Sydney and Melbourne is that you also have close access to the SNOW (which is miles and miles away from Qld, WA and NT). Hope you have a great stay and welcome to Oz!


Amber Richards July 9, 2011 at 9:39 am

I moved to Brisbane to get work and get out of a bad relationship and can’t wait to find a job elsewhere, somewhere a bit cooler without the traffic and mobs of people. It hot most of the time, only decent time to be here is winter.


Gordon July 9, 2011 at 8:24 pm

Hi Amber , it’s fair to say that parts of Brisbane tend to be urban heat sinks , it depends on the topography though. I’ve travelled through Brisbane several times and have felt it hotter in places than Cairns which is ofcourse much closer to the equator .
Brisbane is a very large city in area and has hills and valleys , waterways and coastline areas which all have great effect on local microclimate .

It might surprise readers that Victoria has higher summer temperatures than Queensland , they can reach high 30’s / low 40’s whereas Queensland rarely tops mid 30’s even in mid summer . It’s the humidity that makes it feel hotter , the wet season in Qld is in summer .

As surprising as this might sound , you could move North and feel cooler .

I grew up in Sydney and at age 19 went to Cairns for 3 months ( ended up staying 25 years ) and even up there the summers varied , from mild to melt .

I’ve been around Australia , during my life at various times , from Fremantle to Broome to Darwin , Sydney , Melbourne , Cairns , Townsville .

12 years ago I moved to Hervey Bay which has , in my experience , the best year ’round climate in Australia .

I also hear and share your thoughts on traffic and mobs of people . I lived in Cairns before it got its first set of traffic lights !

In reality , people have to choose where they live based on several criteria which can be very subjective ,

1/ employment , wage , cost of living .

2/ education ( kids ) , health facilities.

3/ lifestyle . This includes leisure / sport activities as well as that level of community involvement and spirit which varies widely by not just area but by opportunities for individuals to participate .

4/ climate , I have relatives who left England simply because of the incessant rain and gloom.

Anywhere that ticks the respective boxes is good for that individual , be that city or country.


BobinOz July 10, 2011 at 4:05 pm

Hi Amber

I suppose everybody’s idea of too hot differs. After 3 1/2 years in Brisbane, I reckon I’ve only been through about five or six weeks when it has been challengingly hot. But even then, I haven’t minded it too much. But, agreed, not everybody likes this kind of heat. Australia is a big country, I’m sure you’ll find your ideal climate.

Gordon, good tips as usual. Hervey Bay sounds great, I want to live there some day. I think it’s very easy for us new arrivals to Australia to head for one of the major cities. But the longer I live here, the more I can see the advantage of choosing somewhere a bit more rural.


Deborah July 11, 2011 at 1:16 pm

Still struggling with where to move to…sorry Bob, this blog is not helping!! LOL.
I agree with what most have said about the various places.
For a ‘happening’ vibrant, heaps going on career wise etc. I’d go for Darwin every time. It’s a young person’s paradise, definitely.
I prefer Adelaide even though it’s ‘dull’ LOL.
If you think nothing goes on there try rural!!! Once you have seen the 2 or 3 sights and gone to the ‘kiddy pubs’ ie. keno, pokies, giant TVs , noise, loud awful music so you cannot have a conversation, and binge drinking every weekend.., there is not much else.(I loved the UK pubs though!) We have 2 decent restaurants and also a very transient population which you tend find in many of the coastal touristy places. Just when yoiu get excited that a business has opened, it closes! Also have the highest rate of welfare recipients ie. pensioners of different types and unemployed, so I guess with the sun, beach and an income we would be a happpy place.
another reason I like Adelaide, it;s ‘solid’ (for want of a better word)… pretty stable, not many people I know (except for me!!) have left..
And it is a bit ‘country’ townish as yes, you always bump into people you know all over the place, can always get front row seats to anything and never have to que or hunt for a car park, and there’s less traffic than Hervey Bay! LOL. the downfall of Hervey Bay is the awful Bruce Highway that you have to go on to get out of town. Nightmare…and I’ve been trapped on it for many hours several times due to accidents and know friends who have missed planes, specialist appointments etc. because of this..
Anyone who can enlighten me on where I could move to would be very welcome to give me some information.


molly July 13, 2011 at 8:35 pm

No way!!!!! Adelaide is not the best city! Melbourne is the
best city in the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i saw it on tv. tv is more true than a website.


molly July 13, 2011 at 8:39 pm



Deborah July 13, 2011 at 9:07 pm

Love your enthusiasm..!!!XXX


BobinOz July 18, 2011 at 8:38 pm

Thanks Deborah, you put me off Hervey Bay before I even got to visit! Maybe I’ll still check it out for myself though. What do you think of the places around Mooloolaba? We really like it there, stunning hinterlands too.

Molly, that’s some TV you got. Plasma?


Deborah July 19, 2011 at 9:03 am

LOL. You could make up your own mind. All the coast is great for a holiday. Anywhere on the Bruce is out for me..friends at Morayfield, Maroochydore and Bribie also have the same issues…we have researched the sunny coast for several years..
I’ve been here for 17 years, it’s treated us well, but definitely time to move on, I was ready to move before the kids finished school but did not want to put them in another school as their school was really terrific. So that was several years ago..and I’m still here…hopefully move this year!LOL. I think my ‘time limit’ in a place is 10 years at the most..
Visited your FB page, really good!


BobinOz July 20, 2011 at 10:13 pm

Oh no, now Maroochydore is no good! Danged Bruce Highway!

On the other hand, it’s not as bad as the M25. When I used to live in England I had to go on that thing most days, every other road since has been a breeze. And I suppose if you don’t go out a lot, or commute, it doesn’t matter. But I take your point.

Do let me know where you settle for, I’m intrigued. Thanks for the thumbs up on my FB page, I need to do more with it. I’m not big on Facebooking.


Jared of Melbourne April 27, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Ghadeer January 11, 2012 at 8:05 am

Hey all


BobinOz January 12, 2012 at 3:35 pm



Ghadeer January 12, 2012 at 5:11 pm

Where’s the rest of my comment ?? @@
I wrote a lot more than ” hey all ” :’ (
Any way I will write it again
I’m from Kuwait came to Adelaide few months ago due to my husband work
It’s not my first time in Australia
But it’s my first time in Adelaide which I really hate
Other than sea activities there is nothing
And u can’t hire a nany or baby sitter in SA I don’t know why
The other day I called a pediatric for my baby and they gave me an appointment on MAY
Really ?? May !!
Is this the case in all australia or just Adelaide
Its great for old ppl like a retirement city or something
I think the best city in australia is Melbourne
Fresh air / wide street / fun places to visit
Then Brisbane
Near gold coast movie world sea …..
Then Sydney
As I mentioned before I’m not Australian so I don’t know about the cost of living and the average income
So it’s a Kuwaiti point of view : )
Regards ; )


BobinOz January 13, 2012 at 10:05 pm

Hi Ghadeer

Well, I have no idea what happened to your previous comment. “Hey all” is all that showed up here. Nevermind.

I loved Adelaide, but then I only went for six days on holiday. I think it is the biggest criticism aimed at the city, nothing to do. I heard it myself from the locals and from others who have commented on this website.

Brisbane I love, that’s why I live here. I’ve never been a big fan of Sydney, but there’s no denying it, the place is buzzing. So I’m largely with you, thanks the sharing your point of view.


sarah January 17, 2012 at 9:27 pm

anyone got an oppinion on esperance?


BobinOz January 18, 2012 at 5:48 pm

Sorry Sarah, I’ve never been. Hopefully someone else will chime in.


Devo January 27, 2012 at 4:32 pm

Cmon guys, WA is the best state and Perth the best city. Born and bred here but did live in melb for a year when I was 13, didnt like it. I have also been to all other major cities for work and or holidays, great places to visit but Perth is the only place I could live. Best weather, ( having said that my one criticism is that it is a bit hotter than I would like), best beaches, laid back, great road system, beautiful city to look at and many natural wonders. In answer to your Esperance question, it is absolutely gorgeous, just bare in mind that it is a country town and is about 700km from Perth.


Ghadeer January 29, 2012 at 1:25 am

I guess it really depends on what you are used to
Its hard for me to adjust to Adelaide life style because I’m not used to it
So I think ppl should consider what they are used to and their ability to adapt new life style
Clearly my adjusting ability is ZERO :p


Nay April 22, 2012 at 12:08 am

Hey Sarah
I’ve only been there on holidays, but went to visit friends who really loved living there. However they have moved to Perth now as she needed to for work purposes, just got a bit stagnant there. It is a long way to Perth so you need to factor in flight costs if you are planning to go back and forth a bit.
I loved it and have definitely thought about moving there but just the isolation put me off.


Deborah January 29, 2012 at 12:12 pm

I’ve just spent a week in Adelaide and it was wonderful.
I have not lived there for 18 years, but do go back to see friends and relatives.
After south east QLD…it was a breeze. Travelled from the hills to the coast to the countryside etc. in minutes..LOL.. Fantastic food..$2. for an hours’ parking in the main street (Hindley), shopped in 20 minutes in the city, had a drink and back out again..I guess I’m not after a ‘buzzing’ lifestyle. I enjoy relaxed, easy, no stress travelling in my day.
Yes, it was dry, often ugly..unlike QLD which is very very beautiful..

but everything is cheap, easy, fast, convenient..pleasant.

weather is not nice in winter..but millions of others manage with much worse.

I am moving to Cairns for 6 to 12 months in May, and will then move to Adelaide after that. I love Queensland, but loathe the population growth and spread of suburbia. Am off to UK and France again in a very very tempted to buy there ..hahahahha..VERY.

Re waits for specialists,,that is very normal where ever you are, here if you do not have private cover, you can wait YEARS… Australia suffers a severe lack of medical practioners..


Kathryn January 29, 2012 at 12:27 pm

Hi Bob, it depends where you live (in regard to medical practioners). In Sydney (especially in the St George district), we have an absolute GLUT of medical practioners of every persuasion! Someone once told me that the district of Hurstville has more doctors per capita than anywhere on the planet! Everywhere you look, there are medical centres – wde are spoilt for choice. Problem is, many doctors do not want to live and practise in remote country towns or secondary cities.


BobinOz January 30, 2012 at 12:23 pm

There you go, different people like different places for different reasons. I loved Adelaide and Tasmania when I visited and Melbourne is a very cool city too. I’m not a Sydney fan, and not yet been to Perth, so can’t comment.

But I will get round to seeing them all, just give me time.

Kathryn, I waited a full year for an operation on my me when I lived in the UK, I could have had it done within two weeks if I can’t private. But you are right, it does depend where you live. Maybe I should have lived in Hurtsville?


Roma February 6, 2012 at 10:55 pm

Wow!! lots of info in here! Really glad i came across this. Hope to be able to move to Oz 1 day 😀


BobinOz February 7, 2012 at 1:11 am

Hi Roma

Thanks to that, yes, we are full of it here. More information than you can shake a stick at! Hope to see you in Oz someday soon.


onyinyechi August 28, 2014 at 8:36 am

hi, am from Nigeria and plannng on moving to AUS to study nursing. I have a daughter of 2 and my hubby is logistics and warehouse manager, which of the states in AUS do u think will favor us the most?


BobinOz August 28, 2014 at 9:59 pm

If you’re talking work wise, the ones that offer you and your husband the most opportunities and you can find out that by using the links to the online employment agencies you’ll find on my page called Getting a Job or a Sponsorship.


Sudha10 February 24, 2012 at 4:52 pm

Hi Bob.
i’m from srilanka. now i’m studying here.i’ll complete my studies in 2 1/2 years. after finishing my studies i have a plan to move to OZ. i have many questions to ask you about australia.
1. will i get a job there in medical field?
2.which city will be the best one to settle down?from the following(sydney,melbourne,hobart,brisbane) i’d say i’m not from a richer family.
3.what’s the average cost of livin per month?
4.what will be the situation after 3 years? i mean cost of living, availability of jobs.


BobinOz February 25, 2012 at 1:03 am

Just a couple of questions for you Sudha10:

1. Have you read any of the pages on my website?
2. Do you think I am a clairvoyant?


Sudha10 February 25, 2012 at 2:31 am

i’m sorry!


BobinOz February 27, 2012 at 9:44 pm

That’s okay, I was smiling as I typed the answer. Good luck!


peter February 28, 2012 at 2:36 am

Hi…I currently live melbourne and considering moving to brisbane for work…can you tell me in general how liveable the city is?


BobinOz February 28, 2012 at 9:10 pm

I find it quite liveable, but it’s totally different to Melbourne. Can’t you come and take a look before committing to move? Maybe worth the cost of flight.


Geniene Prater March 6, 2012 at 12:01 am

Well thankyou for your insights, I live in Whyalla South Australia, I have been here since 1970 and I am so over it, that it isn’t funny. That being said it was a good place to grow up, and to bring up my children, however there is a negativity here, and it is perceived as being a centrelink town. Sadly for South Australia it seems it ends at Gepps Cross, the Federal and State governments seem to have forgotten that there are other regional areas in South Australia that have the potential to attract many tourists, but they continue to imply we are only good for digging in mines and heavy industry. So I am looking for somewhere else in Australia to live. People tell me that Sydney is very expensive, along with other major cities. Well in Regional SA we face similar expenses in that we have a crap medical system, if you want good medical care you have to go to Adelaide, if you want something as simple as having braces put on your childs teeth you have to go to Adelaide. ( the orthodontist used to travel up here and do that now I have the added expense of going to Adelaide for that. There is one Regional airline who has monopoly here and it cost a small fortune to fly Whyalla to Adelaide in rickety small plane. OR you can travel up to 5 hours in a car. Not too good if you have 4 kids with you. I have been to Melbourne back in 1976, Sydney and Canberra in 2010 and I loved both especially Canberra as it is a small city, and you can go in any direction just for a change. South to Victoria, North to Sydney etc. only downside is it gets bitterly cold there. Then there is the risk of rivers rising through Qld, NSW and Vic. Those who are sick of Sydney Brissy and Melbourne you need to look at those cities through my country eyes, so much more to do there than here in Whyalla. So many more opportunities for my kids to further themselves, I would hate to see my kids working in mines for 12 hour shifts. Adelaide is OK at least if I move there I can get on a plane pretty cheap for a weekender in the eastern states. but I still like driving. for me it will be either Adelaide or Canberra.


BobinOz March 6, 2012 at 9:47 pm

It’s quite shocking that a place like Whyalla doesn’t really have the facilities to stand on its own 2 feet. Location wise, it looks perfect.

I remember visiting Adelaide and mentioning to a local that it must be great having all these places on the coast to visit, along the peninsular and around the gulf, but he said “not really, nothing there”.

Proves we just have too much space here in Australia.

Anyway, sounds as though you are on the move. For my money, I could live in Adelaide, not sure about Canberra yet, never been. I know it doesn’t appeal to me.

Good luck with your search.


Becmgirlz March 6, 2012 at 7:18 pm

I am from Adelaide and currently live in Hobart. toward the end of the year am moving but not sure where. was thinking of Brisbane or the Gold coast. does anyone know what the work situation is like in QLD?


BobinOz March 6, 2012 at 9:48 pm

I’m not sure, I’m not in the job market. Somebody else might help though, maybe you should let us know what you do?


James March 7, 2012 at 10:05 am

Hi Bob
Great website.
Hoping to move to Oz soon with wife and 3 kids (7, 5 & 2). Travelled fairly widely on holiday and worked for 6 months in Cronulla. Now wondering where we would like to live and Sydney was the first place off the list! Like London but nicer but not nice enough!
Prefer to live more rural but still have access to some ‘buzz’, more for the kids. Perth suburbs or surrounding towns would probably tick the boxes if it were 3500km closer to the east coast.
Brisbane/Gold Coast/Sunshine coast are favourite at the moment but then the Wife had a trademark change of mind and suggested Cairns. Much to my delight. We had ruled out the tropics because she couldn’t handle 6 months rainy season .
Can anyone comment on living in Cairns or Townsville or Airlie Beach? What’s it really like in the tropical wet season ?



BobinOz March 7, 2012 at 10:16 pm

Well I can’t, but I know there is a conversation somewhere on this blog comparing Cairns and Townsville.

Ah, found it. Have a look at this page…
… People are talking about Cairns, Townsville and Darwin. Hope it helps.


GLYNIS ROSE GEEN March 9, 2012 at 9:02 pm

Very hot, sticky and humid.


BobinOz March 10, 2012 at 12:49 am

….but not in winter :-)


GLYNIS ROSE GEEN March 9, 2012 at 10:10 pm

Best place in Queensland is sunshine coast hinterland on mountains. Comfortable temperatures all round, views to ocean, in country but not far from hustle & bustle of night life. e.g. Maleny
I live in Western Australia but if I had the choice of Qld towns, then that is where I would live.


BobinOz March 10, 2012 at 12:53 am

I agree with you, it’s a beautiful part of the country. But there is a downside. We really liked the town called Mapleton, but if you check the demographics, the average age there is 50 or something. It’s like Eastbourne in the UK! My UK readers will understand that one.

Also there’s not a lot of work around the area. It’s a bit like a retirement zone. I do seriously love it up there, probably our favourite place is Mooloolaba. But for many people it will not be the ideal place to live.


GLYNIS ROSE GEEN March 10, 2012 at 11:54 am

Yes I agree that there may not be enough work there. I also like the wide bay area and there are coal mines there for younger blokes to earn a living, plus larger towns with shops cafe’s etc. I lived in Queensland years ago actually brought up there. I moved to Perth out of necessity in 1991, I hated Perth, still do. Yes it is dull, shops close early. Dangerous gangs hang out at night life spots. I now live 230kms south east Perth in Wheatbelt town of Corrigin. I love it. People are friendly, although not much work again. I work for myself as a one person upholsterer. (My lifes trade). I’m also 63 so close to retirement.


BobinOz March 13, 2012 at 12:43 am

I’ve not been to Perth yet, I’ve heard mixed reviews. Yours is one I will add to the thumbs down list. Always good to hear what other people think of these places, thanks!


GLYNIS ROSE GEEN March 10, 2012 at 12:02 pm

I worked in Sydney a few years ago, and was offered a high paying job to move my family there. But I refused because it is a rat race. And the best part of Sydney was when I was looking back at it from the plane as I was leaving it. I do not like crowds or busy traffic. So I stick to smaller country towns where everything is far more relaxed and less stressful. Western Australia has nice coastline, great beaches, beautiful wineries, great places to visit too, the south west is where most people like to head to for living and holidays. although the Kimberly is great too. Karratha on north coast is a good place for big paying mining jobs, but expensive to live there.


BobinOz March 13, 2012 at 12:44 am

I’m not a fan of Sydney either, but I am really hoping to visit the Kimberley’s at some point, I’ve heard they are stunning.


GLYNIS ROSE GEEN March 10, 2012 at 12:10 pm

Darwin in winter months is ok, I was there on holiday in April 2001 and the weather was beautiful, Sunny days, not humid, and I wore shorts every day. Evenings also very comfortable.
Been to Adelaide, nice place for a visit, but would not live there.
Never been to Melbourne so cannot comment on Melbourne.
I originally migrated to OZ from London UK with my parents in 1963 and have been an OZ citizen ever since. I love OZ and think it’s the best place in the world. Friendly people, nice climate and no wars. I call OZ the garden of Eden. So what ever climate you are seeking you will find it here in Australia.


BobinOz March 13, 2012 at 12:45 am

I’ve only been to Melbourne once and only stayed for three days. I really liked it, I’ll definitely go again. You should try it!


cyberphi March 14, 2012 at 9:19 am

Hi all,
I commented on this post way back when, on Adelaide as quiet, dull but OK etc (which it is, but the upside of that is that it’s easy, has cheap housing, etc). Now I’m in Sydney and LOVING it here (I walk 10 mins to work and 15 mins to the beach, don’t need a car (though I use GoGet carshare whenever I do need to go a bit further), and everything is open late, there’s tons going on, lots of green space (and blue water!) etc. I pay more for housing than I paid in Adelaide (although lots of other things, from a cup of coffee to swimming pool entrance are a lot cheaper, so ‘Adelaide is so cheap’ is a bit of a myth – really, it’s only housing that is cheaper there). Anyway, I love it here. And, crucially, I’ve met a lot more like-minded people in Sydney compared to the many small-town sheeple that I met in Adelaide (plus a few awesome folks, most of whom have since left – of course).

Two things strike me, though, from these posts. Firstly, it all depends on who you are, what stage of life you’re at, and what your priorities are. Work out that stuff before looking at which city is “best”. It depends less on places themselves than on the match between people and places. There’s a bit of research on this – and a website here: (It’s very North American focused but you can glean from this the process through which people can figure out which place ‘matches’ them and their priorities.)

Secondly, there’s a lot of complaining going on here – person A is ‘so over’ place X and person B has ‘had it with’ place Y. Much of this is justified with specifics – prices, opening hours, facilities, etc (I know that I have done this, when I justified why I left Adelaide, above). But I also get the sense that some of this is the voices of people who have simply stayed too long in a place that doesn’t match them or their needs/priorities very well anymore, but they’re too entrenched (and maybe scared of the alternatives) to leave. This is a bit of a trap – and I think that’s what people are really saying.

So instead of looking for the ‘perfect’ city, perhaps consider a city for the next few years, and remember that you can always reconsider and that moving remains a possibility (I know it’s a hassle, and stressful, but the alternative – being stuck in a place you’ve grown to hate – is way worse). If you’re looking for a ‘forever place’ then you’re putting too much pressure on yourself (and the place), and the things that are not ‘right’ will annoy you more that they need to. This is especially true if you’re coming from overseas – things will definitely not be the same as you’re used to (that’s why you’re moving, right?), and it’s too easy to start that cycle of whinging about how this and that are not as good as they are at ‘home’. (It’s not for nothing we’re called whinging poms!) What you need/want at 30-something will probably be different than what you need/want when you retire – and it’s OK to move around a bit when your needs change.

As for the ‘it’s tough when you have four kids’ type of comments – remember that having four kids (or a couple or big dogs, or a corporate job, or a surfing addiction, or whatever) are lifestyle choices that YOU have made along the way that will narrow down your place-choosing options. That’s OK – there are still plenty of places to choose from. But it’s worth bearing in mind what you own dealbreakers are – and if expensive housing (Sydney) or crap infrastructure (Whyalla) or nothing much happening (Adelaide) affect your own set of circumstances then you can rule out those places *for you*. But that doesn’t mean that they’re bad choices for everyone. I don’t have kids so I don’t care whether the schools here are good or bad; I don’t want or need a garden; I don’t care about not having space to park a people mover (!). But I do have a career (that pays pretty well) in an industry that only really exists in big cities; I’m single and live alone so I want culture and stuff happening all around me, and to be able to walk everywhere. I also like sunshine and decent beaches. So Sydney works for me. But it might not work for you – this is in total contrast to some of the ‘I wouldn’t live there if you paid me’ type comments above – choice of place is very personal and very specific. So there is no best place to live – that’s why these ‘top ten’ or ‘most liveable’ lists are meaningless – unless their criteria match yours exactly, then you need to work our your own list for yourself.


BobinOz March 14, 2012 at 9:58 pm

You have made some very valid points, none more so than the each to his own/horses for courses suggestion. Sydney is not for me, but I’m past being a career men. Adelaide suits me more, even though there’s nothing to do.

So, with just one statement, you and I are complete opposites. But neither of us is right or wrong, we just have different needs.

There is probably a city to suit everyone here, but everyone just needs to find out which city suits them.

Thanks for coming back cyberphi and telling us what you think of the places you’ve lived in, and I’m glad you found your home in Sydney.




Tony March 15, 2012 at 9:56 am

Great article, and comments.
I’m considering moving to Australia for school, I was thinking Sydney, but after reading this I might look around a bit more. I love cycling, surfing, hiking and meeting cool people, what city do you think would be a good match?
Thanks in advance


James March 16, 2012 at 6:51 am

No more Sydney-bashing then. I loved it on holiday when I was young free and single. Was good to me and my future wife working and living in cronulla for 6 months in my 20s. Just not what I’m looking for this time around in my late 30s with 3 kids. Also fancy trying somewhere different, variety is the spice of life.
Good points well made cyberphi.
Tony from my previous visits to Oz cycling & hiking anywhere but some places flat and some hilly. surfing anywhere south of the barrier reef and The Alice might be out too! Meeting COOL people – Nimbin! Far out man!!!!:-)
Bob it seems you are fast becoming Australia’s answer to! Can you tell me how many Indian take aways there are in the Cairns area?! LOL


BobinOz March 16, 2012 at 10:02 pm

James, six, I googled it! This is just too easy :-)

Tony, stay away from Nimbin, I’ve been there and it’s, err, oh, I forgot. But Byron Bay nearby is full of cool people and good for surfing, as is anywhere along that bit of coast. Surfers Paradise might be your kind of place, but Adelaide is the city that hosts the Santos bike race each year.

See, you are spoiled for choice.


Tony March 17, 2012 at 5:06 pm

Spoiled for choice eh?
There are worse things. Honestly though I think I may end up in Sydney. I’m going to start applying for schools at the end of the year. Do you know anything about the “unis” around those parts? I was going to apply to Macquarie and University of Sydney. Even if you don’t know, I enjoyed your article and thanks for the reply.


BobinOz March 19, 2012 at 6:00 pm

No, I don’t know much about the unis at all, maybe someone who does know will chime in here. Good luck Tony!


khalid Dawoud March 21, 2012 at 10:27 am

I like austeralia very much from the bottom of my heart.


Jared of Melbourne April 27, 2012 at 10:00 pm

Adelaide?? PFFTTTT boring and clearly not the best city in Australia. MELBOURNE Australia is!!! 😀


BobinOz April 30, 2012 at 8:51 pm

Sounds as though you like Melbourne then Jared?


Karen from Darwin May 4, 2012 at 2:22 pm

I am from New Delhi,India and came to Darwin nearly 3 years ago. I liked this place initially because of its convienience as its not a big place but nowadays I find it too depressing to stay here. There’s not much you can do up here, especially the weather here is so humid you cant really go out whenever you feel like. Everything is so expensive and Darwin has been rated 2nd highest in Australia after Sydney when it comes to property pricing (No clue why). Darwin used to be famous for its laid back attitude. Things are changing and it has become something wierd between a city and village, hate that dual personality of a town.

I’ve been to sydney couple of times now to visit my brother who’s lived there nearly 15 years and liked it for everything, except I cant imagine myself working in CBD. Also been to newcastle and wollogong, did not find anything lucrative to live in those places.

Recently been to Brisbane and gold coast on a holiday this easter, enjoyed a lot, and IMO Brisbane would be my next place to move. Just need to find a nice IT job there 😉


BobinOz May 7, 2012 at 9:59 pm

Hi Karen

Yes, I have always imagined Darwin as a love it or loathe it kind of place. I do also imagine it to be quite challenging living there, it’s not for everybody.

I’m also not a big fan of Sydney, but I love it here in Brisbane. So I can’t disagree with anything you say, I just hope you manage to find a good IT job down this way.

Good luck!


Nikki May 11, 2012 at 6:26 am

Hi there, my husband is a serving police officer in the uk & we would love to start a new life in Australia with our 2 young daughters. I’ve heard there have been police officers who have got transfers from the uk & would hope this might help us get there. My only fear is (which will probably sound pathetic) I have a severe spider phobia, is it true the huge spiders you see in the jungle on I’m a celebrity get me out of here are the same as the ones you would get lurking in the corner of your room??


Glynis May 11, 2012 at 1:44 pm

Hi Nikki, I have lived in Oz since 1963, I migrated here with my parents. I also have a phobia about spiders. But There has never been any spiders that have really worried me in all that time. I’ve seen one huge one once outside my home way back in 1970. That one was killed by knocking it down off wall and standing on it. All the rest are minor and my husband just takes them outside, but when Im alone, I spray them with pest spray to kill them. Don’t let the thought of spiders or any other creatures frighten you off from coming to this beautifull country.


Devo May 11, 2012 at 10:49 am

Nikki, I am a born and bred Aussie and I’m not great with spiders. It is true that if you came here your house would inevitably have spiders in and around it. The type will vary depending on where you settle however 99% of them are harmless and actually do a valuable job of keeping down the fly and mosquito population. There are only a few that you need to worry about and they are easy enough to avoid. You might want to ask a Sydneysider about the funnel web and how common they are as they would be a worry for me. In my neck of the woods the nasty ones are redbacks (these usually live outside underneath items so as long as you check things before you pick them up there’s no issue there), the black house spider (these guys are also outdoor spiders and mostly stay inside their web which they commonly make in the corners of your wall or patio), again very avoidable and there are very few bites from these, and thirdly the white tail (these are indoor spiders and can be a little problem in certain areas as they like to get into places like beds and clothes, they are not deadly and at very worst if bitten and you are allergic you will develop sores around the bite that come and go from time to time). Now please bare in mind that I am giving you a worst case scenario and it really isn’t a huge issue. I know what it is like to fear these things so I’d hate for you to be unprepared. In short, you will see lots of spiders here, there is no doubt about that, but it won’t affect you too much, dangerous ones are easy to kill and the others you just get someone to take them outside. Hope this helps. Oh and as for the big ones you saw on TV, they are out in the bush in some parts of the country but no, you won’t see those around your house.


BobinOz May 11, 2012 at 7:38 pm

Well, you’ve had a couple of answers Nikki, thanks Glynis and Devo. I would only add that, in my view, you will see less spiders in your house here in Australia than you do back in the UK, provided you pay for an annual pest control treatment, about $200 – $250 a pop.

Check out my post called Good News for Those Scared of Australian Spiders and Creepy Crawlies.

I agree totally with the comment “Don’t let the thought of spiders or any other creatures frighten you off from coming to this beautifull country.”

Good luck!


Jen May 18, 2012 at 4:07 am

What about Cairns?? I’m moving to work in Aus and debating between Cairns, Melbourne, Sydney and Port Macq, and Woolongong…- I’m 30 and single and enjoy running, hiking and good weather.


GLYNIS ROSE GEEN May 18, 2012 at 3:44 pm

Cairns is good, but summertime you can have torrential rains and cyclone threats. Melbourne can have up to 5 types of weather in one day ranging from cold & blustery to hot and stifling humidity, (so I have been told). Sydney depends whether you in the western suburbs (extremely hot and humid in summer) or on coast which would be very pleasant but Sydney is a rat race. Port Macquarie is a beautiful place, central coast NSW is really nice, great place for running, hiking & good weather. Not sure about Woolongong, but I would say is nice in summer time being right on the coast and away from rat race of Sydney.


Jen May 18, 2012 at 10:55 pm

Thanks for the reply! I’m so confused as to what to do…I actually had a temporary job offer in North Lakes, 25 km outside of Brisbane but I turned it down. Not I’m afraid I made a big mistake because it is near the city and the Sunshine Coast. I guess I felt it was too suburban, no nightlife and I’ve heard the transpo system there sucks. I’m 30 and single and don’t want to feel too isolated. I do like the idea of Melbourne but it is a larger city again and I could be placed on the outskirts, meaning I still have to travel into the city. I like the job position in Cairns but I’m not sure about the weather now that I’ve heard more. Woolongong seems okay but again I fear that I should have chosen North Lakes over that one…:( What about between Wool and Port Macq? Any thoughts on the above? THANK YOU!


GLYNIS ROSE GEEN May 18, 2012 at 11:23 pm

Australia is such a huge country, with lots of nice places to live and have fun hiking, running all with good weather.
Any where on the East coast in Australia is usually very nice temperatures, stick to being in sight of the ocean and you’ll have the sea breezes. Ok, the big jobs would most likely be in the large capital cities, but if you have to live on the outskirts then travelling to work every day is the pits. You say that you are 30 and single. Why don’t you just come to Australia and work as a temp that is willing to travel, and get to see the country before deciding where you want to settle. Or instead of getting bogged down renting a place, try house sitting. My friend (a single woman) does a lot of house sitting in well off inner suburbs of Perth in WA while their owners are away. And she enjoys it very much. I grew up in Brisbane and I loved living near the ocean the best. I now live in country western australia (230kms SE of Perth) I’m nearly retirement age so it suits me. But if I was your age and single, I would like to live and work in and around Fremantle. It buzzes most of the time and is a pleasant place to live. And you can catch the train into Perth for jobs. Better than driving in traffic. Regards Glynis


Jen May 18, 2012 at 11:54 pm

Hi, thanks. I’d like to stay on the east coast preferably. I could do temporary positions for sure – but most are in small rural places like Whyalla or Baumberg or something…so doesn’t that kind of defeat the experience of Aus and what you said since I’m still young? The one in North Lakes was temporary as well…I feel I made a big mistake turning it down :( But some people told me Port Macq would at least be better because it’s more of a town and good outdoors. I could go to any of the places for max. 6 months too I suppose since I’m on working visa (many want to sponsor already for long-term so not sure if they’d be too keen on short-term but they might). (Thank you again Glynis!)


GLYNIS ROSE GEEN May 19, 2012 at 8:36 am

North Lakes is a relatively new development, in last 6-4 years. It is not far from my home town on the Redcliffe Peninsular just north of Brisbane. I believe it has everything you could want for a nice place to live. And Redcliffe is just a short 15-20min drive from what I can remember when I was last visiting in 2008.
There are heaps of bike paths, walking paths all around the coast of the peninsula. The peninsular is bounded by water on 3 sides. So the temperatures are very nice. I was sad to leave there, but unfortunately at the time I had no choice.
Bundaberg, Maryborough, & Sunshine Coast towns are all very big towns now as well as Port Macquarie probably is now. All have beautiful weather. Do come and have a look. Why don’t you try for that job again in North Lakes, maybe the other person they took on instead of you might not have lasted. You will never regret coming to Australia. It is the best place in the world. Regards Glynis.


Jen May 19, 2012 at 11:13 am

:) That’s what I’m hoping to find out!

As for North Lakes…I’m not sure if the job is still open but it might be. Kind of embarrassing after I said no though…it’s better than Port Macq or Cairns or Melbourne though?

I was told by a recruiter that North Lakes would be good because it’s an hour from the sunshine coast and a 1/2 hour from Brisbane city. But – friends who have been there have told me it’s much longer into the city on bus (I’m not getting a vehicle) and that there is no nightlife since it’s a suburb more. They said at least Port Macq is more of a town on its own with a nightlife…but then I was confused because I thought that NL would still be closer to the coast and the city than Port Macq was…not sure.

Wow – I’m confused now!!Not sure if I should try to get the NL one anyways or just go for Cairn, Woolongong or Melbourne…


Kathryn May 19, 2012 at 1:49 pm

Jen, as a long-standing resident of Sydney, I thoroughly disagree with the statement that Sydney is a “rat race”. Sydney is an exciting, world class city that is one of the most beautiful cities in the world. Brisbane will never be in the same class as Sydney or Melbourne and can never hope to compete with the facilities that Sydney or Melbourne offer. If you are coming from the UK, you will find Queensland unbearably hot in summer. Sydney has a lovely temperate climate. Sydney and Melbourne offer an unbeatable lifestyle, great work opportunities and absolutely fantastic facilities, eg the best schools, world class restaurants, bars, 24:7 shopping hours, great shopping, world renowned hospital and health facilities … these things you cannot find in many smaller regional cities. My advice is to consider Wollongong as it is close to Sydney and near the superbly beautiful Southern Highlands of NSW which, in my opinion, has some of the most beautiful rural and coastal scenery in Australia. Unfortunately, much of the coastal areas of Queensland have been overdeveloped by progress driven Queensland State Governments. The Gold Coast is a hideous reproduction of Miami and has real issues with rising crime levels (especially when it is inundated with drunken teenagers at the end of the school year). Queensland has destroyed much of its lovely coastal areas (unlike Victoria or NSW). The best part of Queensland is the Sunshine Coast hinterland. Further northern Queensland you cannot swim in summer because of the deadly box jelly fish etc. … everything is geared to kill you up there, hehehe! Stick to NSW or Victoria – you won’t regret it! Port Macquarie is supposed to have the best climate in Australia but it is not the beautiful little hamlet it once was. Port Macquarie (so called “The Port”) is now a big, bustling regional (coastal) city but you may find it difficult to attain work there unless you are prepared to work in a shop. Wollongong is also a city but is in easy proximity (by rail and road) to Sydney. My suggestion is that you start with Sydney (where you are far more likely to get a better paying job) and drive down the south coast to areas like Wollongong, gorgeous Kiama and see if you would like to live there. Port Macquarie is about a five hour drive north of Sydney and is really worth visiting. My advice is to go up there for a couple of weeks to gauge the job situation. Coffs Harbour (further north than The Port) is a very large coastal city that is also very pleasant with gorgeous beaches. Good luck!


Jen May 19, 2012 at 2:00 pm

Thank you for the great insights! You guys are great :) I’m actually coming from Canada – so I’m used to all sorts of weather here :)

Hmm…very interesting. Well, you see I do have job offers right now in : Woolongong, Port Macq, Melbourne, North Lakes (outside Brisbane) and Cairns. All of the jobs are roughly 5 to 6 months long (as I’m under holiday visa and can only work up to 6 months with one employer). HOWEVER, the jobs in Woolongong, Cairns and Melbourne are very keen to offer me sponsorship after 6 months so I can stay permanently. That does sound great – because then I could stay in Oz longer than a year BUT it would also mean that I’m with one employer and one location for a full year really vs. traveling. However, I could also tell them after 6 months that no, I intend to move on and travel. The jobs in Port Macq and Wooly, NL and even Cairns are willing to have me short-term. But the one in Melbourne does seem very keen to have me for a while ; and room for advancement with the opportunity to do some traveling to Brisbane in the fall for site-work as well as spend a few days in Sydney. But it’s more of a “commited” job. Also, the job is in the east end of Melbourne and roughly 45 mins. by transit :( I’d rather live in the city but hate long transit times – and that’s very long to me! Of course, it could be worse and may only be 4 days a week.

My goodness – the decisions!! It’s so hard to know! Usually I might just jump on Melbourne – it’s a well known city, cultural, and I’m young. But, it seems areas closer to the coast are nearer beaches and more likely to be walkable to work and relaxed vibe.

Thoughts? (oh and Bob – sorry for hijacking this thread!!)


Jen May 19, 2012 at 2:02 pm

Oh – one more thing – are the cities like Melbourne and Sydney near/walkable to beaches and beautiful weather? Or is that more of the coastal/holiday areas?

It also seems that most people are opposed to Cairns?


BobinOz May 21, 2012 at 8:11 pm

Hi Jen

You have a lot of options, I’ll talk about those in a minute, but first…

Kathryn, what is all this Brisbane is not in the same class nonsense? What class are you talking about? Brisbane is a clean and much less crowded city that has plenty to offer. I came to Brisbane from the UK and I love the climate, no way is it unbearable.

Sydney, from my point of view, reminded me of too many of the things about the UK that I wanted to get away from, including that “rat race” tag. That said, I know many people who love Sydney, so I wouldn’t slate it in the way that you appear to have slated the entire state of Queensland, apart from those hinterlands of the Sunshine Coast. Gee, thanks for that.

So, Jen, take no notice of Kathryn’s rant against Queensland, I believe you should make up your own mind about these places. What would I do with all your choices?

I’ve never been to Cairns, but my son went and he is mid-20s. He loved it, said it was a bit of a holiday town. Not surprising really, it does have the Great Barrier Reef. So long-term, maybe not, but probably good for six months. North Lakes is probably too far north of Brisbane, and too far away from the nightlife you’d probably want to enjoy.

I liked Port Macquarie when I visited, but I have no idea what it would be like to live there. Never been to Wollongong, only driven through it. It may be a good choice, but it wouldn’t be for me as I am not a great fan of Sydney.

I think Melbourne could be a choice, the city has a real vibrant buzz about it and a very culturally diverse nightlife. As for can you walk to the beach from Sydney or Melbourne? Yes, if you live in the right suburb, but if you are asking if you can walk to the beach from their city centres, then no, it’d be too far. Brisbane, if you’re interested, isn’t on the beach.

I bet you’re more confused now than you were before you came here :-)




Jen May 21, 2012 at 11:28 pm

Hi Bob!

This was just lovely! Thank you. Well, yes, I am more confused of course :) I have indeed narrowed it down to the job in Cairns or Melbourne. The one in Cairns is a little more flexible in terms of hours of work and less of a commute; the one in Melbourne is your typical 9-5 p.m and in a suburb of Melbourne -so if I close to the CBD then it’s around a 40 commute. I am not a fan of sitting on buses!! but I do hear the system is good there, and I know that it could be worse…I could try to find some place to live halfway I suppose. Both jobs start in July. The one in Melbourne has room for advancement, etc. “on paper” it’s the best choice – but I’m not sure if I want to be too concerned about all that right now. I often think of switching careers but need stability.
I do like the sound of Melbourne because it’s a big city and I need some buzz for sure in my life!! It also seems more modern and trendy. I do have a friend who lives there as well and it’d be great to know somebody first moving – but I don’t want that to be a deciding factor. It’s good to step outside comfort zones. I think I like a city far more and it’s good for me at my age and to get to see and meet more people. It’s where I’d want to be eventually.

Cairns I was worried was too far up North and away from major cities. But there’s something about it that’s enticing for at least 6 months. It’s not everyday one gets a chance to live in the tropics!! It would be a warmer winter. I know there are lots of touristy things to do there -but expensive of course. Still I could try a few of them over the time I’m there and leave more Aussie traveling to later in the new year. And get lots of sunshine! I know it’s quite humid with a lot of rain, but I think that’s worst towards the end of the year. And I would probably stay till the new year. I do worry it’s a little too small or touristy….small-town ‘hickish’ feel almost?, less culture, young people…but again, it would be different!!
What I would really like to do I think would be to start with Cairns and then go to the city – Melbourne -later in the year…but I don’t know if I’d be able to get a job there then at that time. If I turn down the one in Melb now, it’s not likely they’d take me later 6 months from now.

So now – what an ordeal! When I think of turning down either position, it makes me feel ill…


Akwaugo May 20, 2012 at 10:11 am


its really nice to know there is a space where questions can be answered. I plan coming to Australia for my masters programme.Am looking at Universities in Melbourne or Sydney. WHICH WILL BE BEST FOR ME.?Am not from a very rich home so wouldn’t want to call anyone for assistance while am gone.Which of the cities mentioned above will i get a job easily while i i can be able to fend for myself-pay my rents n feed.wouldn’t want to disturb anyone.I believe in working hard to earn a living instead of depending on people


Akwaugo May 20, 2012 at 1:42 pm

Bob dear,this is still Akwaugo, my question is for u. I humbly need your response.


BobinOz May 21, 2012 at 8:21 pm


I can’t really help you with your question, as I have no experience of either university. Maybe somebody who does have that kind of experience may pop by to help you.

I would probably just go to which ever university you prefer to go to, or which ever city you would rather live in.

Good luck!


Andrew May 20, 2012 at 2:01 pm

Akwaugo, I’m not Bob but it’s my opinion you’d have to look at the schools and which program is better for your masters and more affordable. Furthermore, you are still in school and haven’t started work yet …so you’ll have much hard work ahead to support yourself 😉 and this is everyone’s plight in life. I don’t think people depend on other people to support them – how is that possible? Look out only for yourself and take pride in what you can do. Are you moving from the UK?


BobinOz May 21, 2012 at 8:25 pm

Yes, good advice. Go to the University with the best program for his subject. I think Akwaugo it does sound like a proud person who does want to support himself. A battler, as we say.


GLYNIS ROSE GEEN May 21, 2012 at 11:40 pm

Hi Jen, take a look at this web site.
Cairns is far from being a hickish small town. It is a thriving city. But go for the job in Melbourne that has more prospects. Then just before your 6 months is up. go to Cairns for a few days to look around. Cairns would be about a 3hour flight from Melbourne and Virgin Australia has a lot of cheap fares providing you book a flight at least 4 -5 weeks before you want to go.
Regards Glynis.


Jen May 21, 2012 at 11:48 pm

Thanks Glynis. The only thing is that at the end of 6 months (in January) , Cairns usually gets a lot of rain and not as nice weather as they get at this time of year.


GLYNIS ROSE GEEN May 21, 2012 at 11:52 pm

One thing though it is not freezing cold rain. LOL


Jen May 21, 2012 at 11:56 pm

True! Are there still blue skies? Yes, I know that Melbourne is technically where I should go. I guess I wonder sometimes if it’s just not more of the same though – working and just commuting as I do here. Part of the point to travel is to do different things. Although I know that Melbourne certainly would be that as well! And where I’d might like to end up. I guess I just don’t want to feel too structured and stuff at the same time.


GLYNIS ROSE GEEN May 22, 2012 at 12:06 am

I grew up in Brisbane and we always counted the days when it rained. It always lasted 3 days then the sun came out. But up in the tropics it usually rains late afternoon e.g. 4pm then the sun comes straight back out. Cairns is right on the coast so lots of sea breezes. A lot of film stars and famous people holiday on the great Barrier Reef with Cairns as their stop over. There are over 100 hotels up there and there is a casino with lots of entertainment and bars.


GLYNIS ROSE GEEN May 22, 2012 at 12:08 am

During the time that you will be in OZ from July to January the weather would be perfect but heating up towards Christmas time. Cyclone season is usually January – February time of the year. That is when they get the most rain.



Jen May 22, 2012 at 12:22 am

Thanks Glynis! But you suggested going to Melbourne first – which would be from July to January. (I move in July).


GLYNIS ROSE GEEN May 22, 2012 at 12:44 am

Melbourne for the long day job with prospects and cold winter. Or Cairns for the better weather in winter. What kind of work will you be looking for?
Contact Cairns Regional Council
for information about jobs etc.
Ok, it is my bed time now. Have fun deciding.


Jen May 22, 2012 at 12:48 am

:) I may be a fool…but I’m thinking Cairns…nothing in life is certain I suppose. And Melbourne will still be there. Maybe something even better would come up in January instead if I want to move there then…who knows


GLYNIS ROSE GEEN May 22, 2012 at 11:17 am

I totally agree with you on that one. Because as much as Melbourne having the jobs, people and all. You would feel the same as you are now. Cairns is so different and you’ll experience a delightful change. As you say Melbourne will always be there if you want to explore that later.



Devo May 22, 2012 at 10:25 am

I still say Perth is the best. By far the best climate, most job opportunities, friendly, clean, best beaches, big city but not too big. Love it. Only problem with Perth is it’s isolation, having said that, that is also one of it’s best features.


GLYNIS ROSE GEEN May 22, 2012 at 11:26 am

Hi Devo, Perth is great if you do not want to go elsewhere in Australia. But it cost’s so much to travel to the eastern states.
If Jen starts out on the eastern seaboard then she has very quick and cheap flights to check out all there is in the east before giving Perth a go. Personally I hate all cities. I love the country farming lifestyle. Which is more friendly, less traffic, less people, and less crime and home invasions. But as I said before I’m old (63 lol) so I’m not looking for a job, I work for myself. If I was as young as Jen, then Cairns or other northern Queensland cities would be my choice.
Regards Glynis


Devo May 22, 2012 at 11:46 am

You’re spot on about travel costs Glynnis, travel prices to the east are ridiculous, it’s actually cheaper for us to holiday throughout Asia. Or within our big beautiful state of course.


BobinOz May 22, 2012 at 6:03 pm

Well, have we sorted it all out then Jen? I have to say, given the time of year you are coming, Cairns would be my choice, just for the six months. Melbourne would be in the middle of winter in July, so probably a lot colder than you would like.

I imagine Cairns in July would be just about right, and by November/December time, it’d be scorchio. I think you’d have a great time there.

Perth is still on my list Devo, hoping to get over to that side within the next year.

Update: I just remembered there are some comments about Cairns that you might like to read on my page about Queensland. Might just swing it :-)


Jen May 24, 2012 at 10:41 pm

Thanks Bob! Well, I did have a counter-offer from North Lakes. The wages are still a little lower than Cairns but not a huge issue. NL is only a 3-month job whereas Cairns is 3 to 6 months or longer if wanted. (I’m on a Working Holiday visa so can technically only stay with one employer for 6 months unless I get sponsorship). I don’t mind short-term placements as it would give me the chance to travel a bit and see what I do like – but I don’t want to get to November and stuck without a job either of course!

What are your thoughts? Cairns still seems to be the one encouraged by others because of its warm weather and tourist attractions. But North Lakes, I’m told, is near Brisbane and an hour from the Sunshine Coast and such. Not much of a night-life but I guess I’d be working anyhow and using the weekend for doing stuff.


GLYNIS ROSE GEEN May 24, 2012 at 11:25 pm

Hi Jen, North Lakes is only about 15-20 mins from Redcliffe seafront. And they have done it up quite a bit since I lived there in 1986 – 1991. Check it out for night life, I think there is a fair bit of it there. Restaurants, Bars, Hotels with entertainment. Maybe I might google it to find out how it has changed since I was there. There are lots of bike paths hugging the coastline on the 3 sides of the Redcliffe Peninsula. When I was there the properties were in the 285,000 range but now they are in the 500.000 plus price range. So gives you an idea of how the area has changed. There is a yacht club in Scarborough on the peninsula, and they have entertainment there on weekends.


BobinOz May 25, 2012 at 9:05 pm

Redcliffe is about as good as it gets beach wise for Brisbane, but it’s not a patch on the Sunshine Coast. I can’t help thinking you would have much more fun at Cairns. But I think it is now all down to you, go with your gut.

That said, it’s not overly critical, you are sure to move around after you’ve got here so you will see other places in Australia. So, given the time of year when you arrive, I still say Cairns.


Jen May 25, 2012 at 9:38 pm

You are absolutely right Bob! After speaking with a few friends, I have for sure decided Cairns for the first few months anyhow. North Lakes is too suburban and far from things that I won’t visit if I’m on a bus all day. Then hopefully off to a bigger city closer to the new year :)


GLYNIS ROSE GEEN May 25, 2012 at 9:40 pm

Hi BobinOz and Jen, I agree with you. Cairns is your best choice.



BobinOz May 28, 2012 at 9:36 pm

Good for you Jen, I hope you have a great time there. Do come back and tell us what you think. And thanks to you Glynis as well, you gave lots of valuable info.




Jen May 29, 2012 at 12:45 pm

I agree – thanks to all for your all insights and thoughtfulness. So interestingly enough, yes, Cairns is still on the table. I did turn down North Lakes and intended to go with Cairns…but now I’ve had a different offer in Melbourne for a shorter temp job (3 – 6 months). They offers some help with accommodations as well.

I’m torn! I have been getting excited about Cairns. The weather sounds amazing and the chance to live in the tropics is incredulous! But I’ve also heard it’s better for a short holiday and not much of a night-life being a small city. Mostly backpackers passing through. I think that might be fine being that I’d only be there for 4 to 6 months myself…but I’m not sure. Bob – I know you mentioned Melbourne before re: the buzz…I’m not so enthralled with the weather :( – we are just getting out of our winter over here and I don’t want another one! Although I think it’s still mild? (around 10-15 degrees?) When does it warm up – September? I wouldn’t want weather to be a deal-breaker…

Any other thoughts on where’s the best for a young person (the recruiter has other contacts) or on the above re: Melbourne vs. Cairns. This is tough! :)


Deborah May 29, 2012 at 4:17 pm

Jen, My son is 23 and loves Cairns, he has lived there for 2 years, also a year in Victoria (didn’t like it much, the weather..LOL, but then he is used to Hervey Bay.
Several members of my husband’s family also live in Cairns, young, and love it. Plenty of nightlife. They also all pop over to various islands on the weekends for day trips, Mossman Gorge and Prot Douglas for the day too. I have been often over the years and it is very lovely. If you are too hot, the Atherton Tablelands, Kurranda etc. are much cooler and only half an hour away.
Victoria now has snow, and it does not warm up until around Christmas or just afterwards. Cairns does have an awful couple of months in the wet season and build up, around Christmas, January, February. It is not unbearable, I’ve been in Darwin during the build up and that is not too bad either..


GLYNIS ROSE GEEN May 29, 2012 at 6:41 pm

Deborah, You have just said it all. I hope Jen realises that Cairns is not a small city after reading your reply.
This link might help, not sure what Jen wants.,-queensland.aspx



BobinOz May 29, 2012 at 7:00 pm

Notice how everyone is still saying Cairns Jen?

Well, me too. It’s a great time of the year to be there and you’ll have plenty of opportunities to check out other Australian cities another time. Including Melbourne, hopefully when it’ll be warmer.


Jen May 29, 2012 at 10:45 pm

Is the Tablelands a good place to live? I’ve had a job offer in Cairns city center and another in Tablelands. I assumed Tablelands would be too quiet or far out but I’m not familiar with it – obviously!


GLYNIS ROSE GEEN May 29, 2012 at 11:39 pm

Jen, Google Cairns and Atherton Tablelands. You’d be surprised at what you find out. Also check out on Google Maps



BobinOz May 30, 2012 at 8:04 pm

I know nothing about Tablelands, so I googled it. Which Tablelands? According to Google maps, there’s one in Northern Territory, well and truly in the middle of nowhere as well as the Atherton Tablelands in QLD.

Either way, I still say Cairns :-)


GLYNIS ROSE GEEN May 30, 2012 at 8:34 pm

I said Google Atherton Tablelands. It is just half hour drive out of Cairns in the most beautiful part of Cairns hinterland.


BobinOz May 30, 2012 at 9:32 pm

I know Glynis, but Jen said Tablelands, no mention of Atherton, I just wanted to clear it up otherwise Jen could end up in the middle of Northern Territory!

Not much nightlife there :-)


Leigh Kennedy May 28, 2012 at 11:48 am

Adelaide? I moved there from Melbourne a year ago and it sucks. Public transport and all.

Also, as far as job finding goes, it is horrid.


BobinOz May 28, 2012 at 9:40 pm

Public transport no good? But they’ve got the world’s first all green solar electric bus! And they’ve got trams!

I think you are being a little harsh.


Deborah May 29, 2012 at 4:19 pm

Ha! Me too.. Adelaide is probably an aquired taste.. I love it.. but then I’ve never had to rely on public transport….


BobinOz May 29, 2012 at 7:07 pm

Well, I enjoyed my brief stay there Deborah, and I used the public transport. Nothing much wrong with it.


Jazmin June 8, 2012 at 1:02 am

Hi all so I’m a born bred Adelaide girl living in Sydney, I’ve been here now for over a year, 1st of Sydney is a beautiful city with tons to do but only if you can afford it after spending most your money on rent. I’m very out going and found work here straight away in the tourism industry and met plenty of people but the problem was every one comes and goes and you don’t make long term friendships. Adelaide can be boring but only if you are boring your self. But the upside is you can get to and from anywhere in a short distance of time it’s not like a rat race and much less stressful, i plan to move back very shortly as I look at property’s to rent over there and compare it to what I pay here.. Did you know I can have a backyard in Adelaide and a four bedroom home for the same cost I pay for a 1 bedroom unit? :) I hear people saying that the people ate closed minded and have a small group of friends they stick with well I think your just not putting yourself out there enough as I’ve managed to meet tons of new people in Adelaide. Yes I will miss Sydney but with the amount I’ll save in Adelaide I can go back and visit anytime :)


GLYNIS ROSE GEEN June 8, 2012 at 1:14 am

Hi Jazmin, I have been to Adelaide once. I loved it. However I was only there for 3 days, I had some credit to use up with Virgin Blue airlines, It was enough for a one way flight from Perth to Adelaide. So I did it. I back packed and stayed at Annies Place, Then caught the train back across the Nullabor. It was a great little trip. and I always said that one day I will go back to Adelaide for another holiday.


Jazmin June 8, 2012 at 1:26 am

Glad to hear you enjoyed your trip, the barossa is a great place to visit and do a little wine tasting or alot if you plan to stay over night :) handorf is a cute little German like village up in the hills with a great drive to accompany some great authentic German food. Victor harbour is a bit of a drive but but a great place to do some whale watching or ride a horse and carriage up to granite island, there is also some cite little pubs there, Just throwing some things out there if your planning a trip back one day :)


GLYNIS ROSE GEEN June 8, 2012 at 1:29 am

Thank you Jazmin. I will document that info.


BobinOz June 8, 2012 at 5:22 pm

I’ll add my agreement to that, I spent a week in Adelaide and really loved it. If I had to move to either Sydney or Adelaide, I would definitely choose Adelaide.

And yes Jazmin, I can believe that you can get a four-bedroom house with a yard for the price of an apartment in Sydney, there’s a guy elsewhere on this website who tells me he’s paying $1350 A WEEK for his place in Sydney.

I reckon you’d get a mansion for that in Adelaide!


Victoria June 23, 2012 at 1:59 pm

Hi Bob & Bob Readers,

Does anyone have anything to share about the best spot to live along the Sunshine Coast? Nothing too boring or quiet, good weather and close access to beaches, shops, nice people? Looking at Maroochydore, Dicky’s Beach, Sippy Downs and Aroona.


GLYNIS ROSE GEEN June 23, 2012 at 6:49 pm

Hello Victoria, Maroochydore would be best, as it is now a thriving metropolis right on the beach. When I migrated from UK with my parents back in 1963, we won a holiday to Maroochydore and back then it was a little seaside holiday spot for families. Not much there at all. But now it has grown up and is a mini city with everything that a big city has to offer, plus right on the beach.


Victoria June 24, 2012 at 8:20 am

Thank you Glynis. I suspected it would be a good spot as it seems to be thd main city of the coast. I could get cheaper accommodations in Dickys and Sippy though. But I wouldn’t want to risk being in a boring, retiree spot.


BobinOz June 25, 2012 at 10:25 pm

Maroochydore would get my vote too, if I didn’t live where I live where I do now, I reckon I’d live in Maroochydore. Good luck Victoria!


Alan June 27, 2012 at 6:22 am

Hi Guys,

We are thinking of emigrating to OZ (we spent a year travelling) we spent 3 months living and working in Melbourne and loved it!! We are coming back in December for 3 weeks to see if we still feel the same!! But where do guys think is the best place to live? As i am just about to book flights!!!!

Alan & Clare


BobinOz June 27, 2012 at 6:49 pm

Well, I think it’s Brisbane, that’s why I live here :-) Not everybody agrees with me, and you’ll get lots of information from the comments on this post and also on my page Quick Guide to Choosing a City in Australia.

But I would definitely give Brisbane a try if I were you. Enjoy your holiday!


Alan June 28, 2012 at 4:41 am

Hi Bob,

Thanks for your reply!! We have booked our flights into Brisbane for 4th December (can’t wait) now we just need to sort out accomoadation, we are going to book in somewhere for a few days and then hire a camper van!! Any recomendations?



BobinOz June 29, 2012 at 6:41 pm

Well I hope you have a great time when you get here. Not sure where to rent a camper van, I’ve never rented one. I have used Alpha car rental in Brisbane, but not sure if they do camper vans.

As for accommodation, as it’s only for a few days, I’d go with who ever is offering the best deal close to the city, you may as well have a good look round there before you rent your vehicle. Have fun!


Alexander August 5, 2012 at 7:44 am

I am seriously thinking of emigrating to OZ from the United States.I know it is difficult but could you give me a short list of the best places to live based on cost of living ,quality of life,climate and retirement living.Thank you very much.


BobinOz August 6, 2012 at 3:40 pm

That would be some exercise for me to undertake, especially as there is already lots of good information about where to live in Australia on this website. This post and the comments are very helpful and you will also find more information on each individual city page linked in the main navigation.

Also, check out my Quick Guide to Choosing a City in Australia.


Glynis Robinson (Geen) August 6, 2012 at 3:52 pm

Hi Alexander, A short list? Just about everywhere in Australia is a great place to live. But my 1st choice would be Queensland.
My 2nd choice Western Australia.


Linnea August 10, 2012 at 7:19 pm

Hi everyone, would like to ask if the fly problem in Adelaide is really that horrible. My little girl hates insects but we have always wanted to visit Adelaide as we’ve heard so many nice things about it. How bad is the fly situation and what do locals do to save themselves from the flies?


Glynis Robinson (Geen) August 10, 2012 at 7:28 pm

Like any where else in Australia during summer. Wear a hat with a fly veil.


BobinOz August 12, 2012 at 11:53 pm

Well, I’ve never worn a hat with a fly veil in my life, apart from when I posed for a photograph for a post called Australia, Cork Hats and Flies All Around Your Face.

I live in Brisbane, I’ve been to Alice Springs in the middle of Australia, and I’ve been to Sydney, Melbourne and, of course, Adelaide among other places. Never been troubled by flies in any of those places, the only place flies did bug me was when we stopped off to have a look at the 12 Apostles down in Victoria, somewhere along the Great Ocean Road.

So I really don’t think there is a fly problem here in Australia, but if there is, it’s bypassed me for the last five years.


Linnea August 13, 2012 at 1:50 am

Thank you for the replies. We were planning on going to Adelaide this December; it would be summertime there then, wouldn’t it? I thought flies are mostly rampant during that time of the year – somehow the fact that you’ve never been bothered by the flies doesn’t tally with what I’ve heard. But then again, it’s hearsay – no offense!


BobinOz August 13, 2012 at 1:47 pm

I was in Adelaide in January 2011 for six days, that’s the height of summer. Wasn’t bothered by flies at all. Do let us know what happens when you get there.


Sandy August 15, 2012 at 3:21 pm

I agree about the sample size not being very large. I’m from Canberra, have spent a little time in Sydney, a tiny bit of time in Adelaide and now live on the Sunshine Coast. I have heard great things about Adelaide and Perth but I’d love to know how our gorgeous cities stack up around the world. Maybe after our annual hotel awards program is finished, we will launch a WorldsBestCity campaign. Lol


BobinOz August 15, 2012 at 11:58 pm

No need to wait for your own survey to come out, although I’m sure you didn’t mind giving it a plug :-) just check out my most recent post about the World’s Most Liveable City.


Carra August 23, 2012 at 10:50 pm


Just wondering what peoples views are on Melbourne? I am moving there soon because i want to see what the music scene is like. The weather is not a problem, i love english weather! I am just looking for a place with a great music scene. Any Melbournians care to share their opinions?




BobinOz August 24, 2012 at 2:45 pm

I’m not from Melbourne, but my best guess would suggest that it probably is THE city in Australia to go for if it’s the music scene that you are after.

Melbourne is pretty much known as the artistic or creative centre for Australia, and the city itself is buzzing with bars with plenty going on.

I think it’s a great choice for you, but hopefully someone who does live in Melbourne can come along and give their opinion too.




Vicky August 23, 2012 at 10:57 pm

I’d love to hear thoughts on Tasmania (Launceston) vs. Cairns vs. Sydney. Moving in September for work (job offers in each city). Planning to hit Sydney eventually, but considering doing a stint in either Tasmania or Cairns first – not sure if it’s worth it? I think Tassie would be a natural beauty but have been warned it’s too quiet for a young person and also cold this time of year. Cairns would be nice but maybe more a short holiday vs. staying for a month or two…

Carra – I have heard Melbourne has an amazing music scene!


Steve September 20, 2012 at 7:55 pm

The things people miss about Sydney is that it is divided into 4 seperate area’s North South East and West all very different by a country mile….Bob have you been to Cronulla,Coogee,Bondi beach,Manly,Palm beach,Whale Beach this is Sydney.
Sydney has a relax style even in the City its full of tourist buzzing around and if you want time out there are plenty of places to chill out i will let you in on a secret ive been to every Capital City in Australia i can totally chill out and relax here more than an other place you choose your own stlye!! you want to wear a pink dress you can go to Surry Hills you wont get looked at twice…want to be a beach bum on 100,000 a year work in the City only 3 km from Bondi Beach….Want a Suburban lifesyle with plenty of parks go west to kellyville…There is something for everyone here!! I stopped over in Adelaid thats not a city its country town i was so zzzzzzzzzzzz there.


BobinOz September 21, 2012 at 4:11 pm

Hi Steve

I’ve been to Coogee, Bondi Beach and Manly, not been to those other places though. Bondi was nice enough, but I probably expected more, I did like Coogee Beach and Manly though. I spent a bit of time in Randwick as well, that seemed pretty laid-back.

On the other hand, I also stayed in a hotel in Crown Street in Surry Hills, nothing laid-back about it down there, very colourful! I didn’t wear a pink dress though.

Then again I’ve also been to Adelaide, really enjoyed that too. Each city has something different to offer, I think.


Catherine September 21, 2012 at 4:24 pm

Hello. Web sight it great. Me my husband and 2 children aged 2 and 3 are looking at moving to Australia in the next couple of years. We would like some advice on where would bbe best to live. Good schools friendly community, plenty for the kids to do. I am a fully wualified hairdresser with 10 years experience and my husband is a bricklayer.


BobinOz September 24, 2012 at 5:00 pm

That’s a bit of a broad question, there are plenty of places in Australia that fit your description. I suggest you start by looking at my page called Quick Guide to Choosing a City in Australia to see what takes your fancy.


Catherine September 25, 2012 at 4:04 pm

We really fancy Brisbane been looking into Hawthorne/ bulimba.


BobinOz September 25, 2012 at 9:38 pm

I can’t disagree with you on Brisbane as a choice, how could I? I live here. Probably very nice up that way too, by the river, but also probably (I don’t know for sure) in a flood zone. Something to think about when choosing a house, pick one on high ground.


Catherine September 25, 2012 at 11:35 pm

Thanks. Can u suggest any more suberbs in Brisbane for me to look at? Thanks


Glynis Robinson (Geen) September 26, 2012 at 1:22 am

Hi Catherine, Try Bardon, Red Hill, Paddington, Spring Hill, The Gap, Ashgrove all suburbs close to city on the north side of Brisbane.
Actually why not go and look at Bobs website
It is really good. after checking that out, Bob could tell you any suburbs that you may choose if they could be in the flood zone. Good to get a home on high ground. I used to live in and around Brisbane and I loved it. I only came to WA out of neccesity at the time and cannot afford to move back. And now my children have their lives here so do not want to move away from them.


BobinOz September 26, 2012 at 9:37 pm

Hi Catherine, what do you want exactly? Do you need to be close to the city? Or do you want wide open spaces and green grass? Hills? Give us something to go on.

Hi Glynis, sorry, again I didn’t realise you had already answered Catherine, it’s the order in which I go through my comments when I do them. Those suburbs are all good suggestions (again), I quite like Paddington, but again, choosing a house on the top of the hill rather than the bottom :-)


Catherine September 27, 2012 at 6:44 am

Hello bob, I’m sorry im useless at this. We want somewhere with good local schools, green grass, a beach not to far away, a good community. And I’m a hairdresser, there seems a lot in the Brisbane areas so that would b ok, my husband is a bricklayer and I’m not sure about finding work for him. Hope this helps :-)


Glynis Robinson (Geen) September 27, 2012 at 11:39 am

Hi Catherine, The new developments north of Brisbane in the Redcliffe / North Lakes area has all that and probably lots of work for your husband too. These places are a short drive to the beaches and lots of shopping in the whole area plus night life on the seafront at Redcliffe.
PS> I used to live there and I loved the area.


Catherine September 27, 2012 at 9:40 pm

Thank u Glynis xx


BobinOz September 28, 2012 at 1:06 pm

Catherine, also remember that Brisbane isn’t really on the beach, it’s all mangrove. Brisbane folk go to the Sunshine Coast or the Gold Coast for a proper beach. You will find some places with sand around here though, Redcliffe mentioned by Glynis has sand. I’d also have a good look around Wellington Point, Thorneside, Birkdale and Cleveland, it’s quite nice around there and plenty of schools.

Glynis Robinson (Geen) September 22, 2012 at 11:54 am

Hello Catherine, Long time since I left a comment on here. If you are thinking of Western Australia, let me suggest you Google Geraldton. This is a thriving city with lots of new homes getting built. Good prospects for your husband there. There are lots of schools and Geraldton is right on the coast about 5hrs drive north of Perth. Geraldton is a city in its own right and has everything you could possibly need. Other than that I suggest you Google each State in turn and ask for new regional cities. . The best place to live in Australia, is AUSTRALIA. It is a beautiful BIG country. I’ve been here from UK since 1963. I would not live any where else. I’ve lived in Brisbane outskirts, Perth Outskirts, Sydney outskirts, and now live in a small regional town in the wheatbelt 250kms from Perth in Western Australia. Regards Glynis.


Catherine September 22, 2012 at 10:47 pm

Thank you. Glynis x


BobinOz September 24, 2012 at 5:02 pm

That’s good advice from Glynis too.


TL September 26, 2012 at 9:42 pm

Melbourne vs. Brisbane? We’ve heard so much about Melbourne having so much to offer but Brisbane seems to have the laid-back vibe with warm weather.


BobinOz September 28, 2012 at 12:45 pm

Well, you summed it up pretty good yourself, and I prefer Brisbane and that laid-back vibe with the warm weather.


ALEXANDER PIERS September 29, 2012 at 10:55 am

i lived in Perth for around 2 years, life was good. Perth is a small city with small population but now expanding and bigger population as well, trams and buses take you everywhere and life is good there but you feel like being in isolated city from other cities. Perth has big number of students and overseas people, let alone Oz are there as well. I like weather there and beautiful beaches. I hear that Perth is getting lots more expensive because australian gov. called it regional area a year ago. Since, last 2 years I have been living in Darwin. Everyday i read in newspaper about crocodiles caught in rooftops or courtyard or in private properties etc..of course here, you can’t go for a swim in beach, the wild crocodiles are haunting everywhere. Darwin is so freaking hot like you seat at hot oven. When i first entered in Darwin from Airport I felt like oh my god what a hot oven temperature! And, everytime when I walk outside in sunshine I feel like I am being cooked. You can’t walk outside oh my god. it’s like 24 hrs I turn on air-conditioning in my bedroom. The good thing about Darwin is that you can earn more than in other cities and people say it’s easier to get a job but i dont believe it because I had tried to get my job for 3 months and it was so hard to be on this job. Darwin is bushland. The house I live has almost 50 palms trees. When you land on plane at airport you can see the whole city looks like forest and only a bit of houses inside bushland is seen from top. Rent is expensive. For example it’s $400/week for 3 bedroom house, and that’s the cheapest one you can get. mostly it’s $350 for 2 bedroom house. The city accomodation is more expensive than above. I have always realised to make my trip to other cities and get to know about them, I was thinking to go to Brisbane, as Gold Coast, and Sunshine Coastal region are fabulous in people’s words as I havent been myself to visit those places. Now, let’s talk about Adelaide, I had lived there for a whole month while attending a funeral ceremony for my close one passed away in a car accident. The Adelaide from aircraft in midnight looked like a mountain-like chain. It has high altitudes and lower ones and climate is cool. But, job might be not that easier, and it’s lots more cheaper to live over there. The houses are pretty much like old century ones. The customer services are rude, impolite and slow. But, only good thing is weather and cheaper to live. But, when i returned from there I promised never to get back down there in Adelaide. I am not so much fund of living in overcrowded cities like Melbourne or Sydney. These cities have lots of crime happening I read every morning and feels nasty to see them happening down there. I have no idea about other cities until i live. I have seen Brisbane city from plane only while making trip to Adelaide, had a changeover to another plane in Brisbane airport. I would love to live in Brisbane but I am scared with idea of hot weather as it freaks me out. I will see you guys when I see you commenting.


BobinOz October 2, 2012 at 4:20 pm

Thanks for the round up of so many cities Alexander, yes, Darwin is very hot. But I wouldn’t label Brisbane as the same, I think the climate here is ideal; virtually no winters and summers average about 32°C and really not too humid, not for me anyway.

It maybe gets uncomfortable for about one month a year, but no more really. Way more liveable than Darwin I would say, you should give it a go.




Glynis Robinson (Geen) October 2, 2012 at 7:07 pm

yes you are so right Bob, Brisbane has a great all round temperature. Even where i live Corrigin WA which is a lot further south than Brisbane gets very hot at 40C+ degrees for about 2 months every summer. We may have dry heat but when you have 40C+ degrees bearing down on you, it’s like being baked alive in an oven.


ALEXANDER PIERS October 3, 2012 at 5:47 am

Glynis, I think during that 2 months we should move out by planning a good holiday somewhere else…then we escape deadly heat. :)


Glynis Robinson (Geen) October 3, 2012 at 10:20 am

Sorry Alexander, I am married and i love my husband. We live in country town and enjoy rural life. people are friendly and rural towns are always looking for skilled people. I have my own small upholstery business and it brings in a few jobs mainly from farmers. They are happy i’m here to offer my trade services. Otherwise they would have to go to the city or other large towns too far away.


BobinOz October 3, 2012 at 9:45 pm

Yes, I do love the Brisbane climate, but from me I’m not sure which kind of heat is worse, humid or dry? Humid is uncomfortable, but dry turns your face into a prune and cracks your feet.

Alexander, were you really asking Glynis to run away with you? Glad to hear you love your husband Glynis :-)


Glynis Robinson (Geen) October 3, 2012 at 9:49 pm

Bob, Moisturiser is the answer to cracked feet and hats prevent prune features. LOL


BobinOz October 4, 2012 at 12:33 am

I can’t wear moisturiser, I’m a geezer!


Glynis Robinson (Geen) October 4, 2012 at 1:29 am

Awww of course you can. You just don’t tell any one LOL


ALEXANDER PIERS October 3, 2012 at 5:49 am

Anyways guys, is it easy to find job in Brisbane, because in Darwin you can do two jobs full time if you are skilled enough or even through someone. Brisbane is populated alot, I hope not same thing would apply to people living down there.


Coco October 3, 2012 at 6:34 am

Hello Everyone,

I would like to ask where in Australia is the best to find butcher job? and my partner is in housekeeping job?
We prefer Adelaide but as I have read here in the comments that it is not easy to get job there.
We have 2daughters, aged12 and 6.
We want to live in a cheap but many butcher and housekeeping job offer, near schools and universities for our kids. Not so hot weather.
Thank you very much.


ALEXANDER PIERS October 3, 2012 at 8:03 am

I hope, if you are skilled you get job everywhere but depends on your referees and what time your are available and your workright as well, but remote areas in Australia needs more people than city, while being in one city, you could apply for a job in another city and wait for reply or what you can do is to package a holiday in your preferred city then visit, then apply and see the situation because everybody’s situation is different.Like in big city, you get job by references from past job experience, and through someone’s help who is working at same place you prefer to work. If you are worrying about children’s expenses, remote areas have better social security (centrelinks payment) higher than other big cities. once they start schooling, you wont have be moving maybe just because of school years..but this situation doesnt apply. When I lived in western australia, the newspaper used to advertise too much about butcher’s job, and housekeeping, i think if you are experienced enough you could move to Perth as well but i dont really know practical knowledge of rest of the cities except darwin and perth, i have been to adelaide for a month but did not try for any jobs there as it was a short visit with family advice is please visit Adelaide for holidays and then have a chat and look with your near ones or friends to get around with…thanks..


ALEXANDER PIERS October 3, 2012 at 8:10 am

And, forgot to tell you that Adelaide is busy city age well, and weather is very nice for kids, lots of my friends moved there who had kids….Perth is sunny, shiny and beaches are good, but weather is normal and variation of weather in year falls in different months, just dont go to darwin if you are not ready to bear temperature of 25-45c. Melbourne, Brisbane, Sydney, Adelaide are good for weather…but everything is not ideal for all cities, they have good things and bad things..just to let you know that Adelaide is cheaper for accommodation, and geographically it looks like wavy mountain land from aircraft…people have complained that there is nothing to see there…Adelaide is big so when i lived with relatives of mine, we had to travel 50 minutes on bus to get to city…you can search transport system on internet online, but getting a job is a tough question though, because everything depends on your skills and luck. Just visit and get a go.


Mark October 20, 2012 at 8:27 pm

Hi Bob,

Great website. I am living and working in Yorkshire at present in healthcare but have a job offer in Bundaberg. I have been told by the recruitment consultant that its a nice place but can be very hot in summers. I dont mind that. Pay is double of what I am currently earning in UK. So sums are attractive. But I am having second thoughts, I guess I can call it “Fear of the Unknown”.
How do I overcome that?

It is a big decision, because if I move to Australia and live there for two years, it will be very difficult for me to ever come back home. It is to do with regulations in place for my line of work. ( I would have to resit my exams to gain membership of the professional college to be able to start working in UK again)

How do I make that leap of faith? How did you come to that decision?




Glynis Robinson October 20, 2012 at 8:45 pm

My parents made that decision way back in 1963 when towns were not as big.
Dad could not get a job like he had in UK because he worked on the underground railway. And there was no underground railway in oz. We as a family have never looked back. Dad ended up getting a job as a rookie in a brewery and ended up in charge of a whole shift. I grew up here and I now have 2 children that are adults and are doing very well for themselves in their chosen fields. My daughter an accountant. my son a sales and purchasing officer/manager of IT shop in the city of Perth.
Bundaberg is a great place, and your job in healthcare is a job that you will always have plenty of opportunities all over Australia, especially in the regional centres if you decide to move on from Bundaberg. (I love Bundaberg and it is where Bundaberg rum distillery is, they have great tours of this establishment.) Have a go. You will be better off for it. You may contact me any time if you come over and need a friendly former Brit to chat to. I’m married to a a fellow Brit that also came to OZ back in 1959 with his family. We would never live any where else than OZ. It is a great place no matter where you choose to live or work.


Deborah October 20, 2012 at 10:13 pm

Hi Mark, I’m in Hervey Bay, an hour south of Bundaberg. The weather is wonderful , never too hot or too cold, and the lifestyle terrific. You will know what to do if you really think about it. We are all fearful of change, it is frightening! Some changes we can control and some we cannot. Best wishes! If you need any information about the area I will try and help. Deborah.


Glynis Robinson October 20, 2012 at 10:56 pm

deborah, I agree with you there, if Vick thinks its stinking hot, he should try Darwin. LOL Now thats stinking hot in Summer, but nice in Winter. Bundaberg is a very nice climate as you say. I live in the wheatbelt far away from coastal breezes and it gets stinking hot here in Summer, but i love the place where I live. If I ever did sell up and move, I would go to central QLD coast because It is so nice there.


BobinOz October 22, 2012 at 8:13 pm

That’s a tough one, I think it’s called “jumping over the wall” when you don’t know what’s on the other side of that wall. I normally say to people they can always go back, but it sounds like in your case going back will not be without its extra obstacles.

All I can say to you is, if you don’t come, you will spend the rest of your life saying “what if?” If you really love it in England at the moment, maybe Australia is not for you. If you really don’t like your daily life at the moment, I say jump. And look, you’ve already made two friends in Glynis and Deborah, (thanks for your comments both of you) so it’s got to be worth a go, hasn’t it?

Good luck, what ever you decide to do.



Vick October 20, 2012 at 8:53 pm

Mark, I think only you can answer that question. There is no “never look back”. If you really want to go back to the UK in a year or two – you can do it. Don’t let your fears of the future hold you back. You can never predict what will happen. Now with that said, in contrast to Glynis, I wouldn’t want to live in Bundaberg. It’s a small country town and gets stinkin’ hot. You will acclimitaize though and perhaps you like small towns. I prefer city or coastal. As long as you are happy in your work and meet people that way, I’m sure you would like it…


BobinOz October 22, 2012 at 8:22 pm

Wise words Vick. I will just say though, stinking hot is in the eye of the beholder. Hundreds of people around this website have said Brisbane is way too humid, I absolutely love the climate here. Everyone is different.




Vick October 22, 2012 at 8:25 pm

You’re absolutely right Bob! I actually recently visited Sydney and found it chilly…it goes to show how quickly one can adapt.


BobinOz October 23, 2012 at 10:58 pm

Yes, I understand they sell gloves down in Sydney :-)


ALEXANDER PIERS October 20, 2012 at 8:56 pm

Where is that Bundaberg ??? never heard this name..


Glynis Robinson October 20, 2012 at 10:59 pm

Alexander look at this link, it will answer your question.


Mark October 23, 2012 at 9:28 am

Dear friends, thanks for your advice. It is in fact a big decision and only I can make it. Therefore I have decided that I am going to take that plunge and see what is on the other side of the world. I for one cannot live with regret of not going to Australia. It will sure work out and I will keep myself positive.



BobinOz October 23, 2012 at 11:18 pm

Good for you! See you in Oz.


Emmajayne Gavaghan October 30, 2012 at 3:57 am

Hello Bob.

Im 22 and im saving up to live in australia hopefully in 3 years, im a beauty therapist and an make up artist and ive been to perth twice i have family there Austalia is an amazing plase although its a bit too quiet there for me, id like to live in a place with lots of bars on the beach, sunsets, and bbq’s dotted around for every body to use (like in perth) but not too busy or in the city because i live nearer london and im starting to hate it. i think it would be best to maybe rent a shared house/flat with people my age untill i find my feet?

Any advise would be appreciated


BobinOz October 30, 2012 at 9:01 pm

Hi Emmajaye

If you’re looking for suggestions for where to head towards when you get here, maybe you should read my page a Quick Guide to Choosing a City in Australia. See what takes your fancy out of that lot, or you can find out more about each individual city and state from the main links in the navigation menu at the top of each page.

Good luck



Howard November 1, 2012 at 1:53 pm

Hi Bob
Stumbled across your site quite by chance, all I can say is that it brilliant!!

I too live in Brisbane, we emigrated from the UK, for the second time, in 2002, bought a business which we have just sold, and are now in semi-retirement. My wife is doing a course at college, she is 64, I’m 65 driving a school bus part-time taking special needs kids to school. We live in the western suburbs near Ipswich, plenty of work for hairdressers and with the building work going on around here, bricklayers. So to Emmajayne, Catherine and Mark think about Brisbane and (at the moment) it’s little brother Ipswich.
ps. I was a London Cab Driver, so I do understand where Emmajayne is coming from!


Glynis Robinson November 1, 2012 at 2:02 pm

Hi Howard, A great reply. I was a Brisbanite before having to move to the West for personal reasons. I love Brisbane, I grew up there after migrating at age 13 from UK to Brisbane with my parents in 1963. I am now approaching 64 and I now have my life with my adult children close by here in WA.


BobinOz November 1, 2012 at 6:15 pm

Well, my vote obviously goes to Brisbane and western suburbs, that’s why I live here :-)


Glynis Robinson November 1, 2012 at 6:52 pm

The best place I lived was when my children were toddlers, on 17 acres at The Gap on western side of Mt Cootha before all the new homes were built. It was just farms and Brisbane Forest Park at my back gate. My second favourite place was Redcliffe by the sea before it became a rich peoples canal estates. When it was just a family holiday place. If I ever had the money to return to QLD I would find an acreage somewhere up near the sunshine coast hinterland. Like Maleny, or similar. It is so pretty up there.


BobinOz November 2, 2012 at 5:55 pm

Great choice, the Sunshine Coast hinterland is fabulous, one of my favourite areas too.


vicki November 8, 2012 at 9:02 am

I have lived in Hervey Bay for the past 13 years. My husband works in Maryborough…has a few more years yet until he retires. I you don’t like the humidity, don’t move here. It is hot and humid for approx 8-9 months of the year. Don’t really get winter. I can’t wait to move. Lived in Toowoomba for 7 years before moving here. In my opinion Toowoomba is the best place to live. Beautiful weather all year round. Hospitals there, shopping is good, too.


Deborah November 8, 2012 at 9:41 am

Hi Vicki! we should have coffee! LOL..

I guess it depends on the individual. I find the Hervey bay weather PERFECT.
The low in winter, usually around 4am for 10 minutes, averages about 12 degrees for a month or so, the high around 23 (average), so I usually only ever have to wear my summer clothes, shorts tshirt.. with socks and a jumper over the top! YES, a great look. You see some very creative fashion here in winter! as none of us want to spend on warm clothing that is only used for a month. In summer, it is mild, high of about 30, whereas in Adelaide (which I LOVE), Melbourne, Perth.. it can reach over 40 degrees and be very uncomfortable, also freezing winters. I use a heater for about 3 weeks of the year here, and an airconditioner for about the same , usually in February. I don’t find it humid at all, but that is a personal thing I suppose. We also dont flood, have cyclones (probably one in the distant past), are protected from bad weather by Fraser Island, which is a magnificent place to visit/daytrip even just for lunch. The whale watching is amazing, I went twice this season and we saw well over 200 both times..
Toowoomba is nice, but I’m afraid far too cold for me. Funnily enough though, I am thinking of returning to UK!! Ha ha haha.. I may perish there I think, but I do love it..


Deborah November 8, 2012 at 9:46 am

Just to add, Rainbow Beach is a fabulous spot too. ..
I’m not keen on any of the hinterland areas, I have dogs (and cats) and know many people who live in hinterland areas who regularly collect up to 200 ticks a day, and these ones are deadly paralysis ticks. Also have been on many school camps looking after lots of children and have had to check them continuously for ticks.. then remove them (ticks not kids!! LOL), like many places in Australia , it looks pretty, but the reality of living there day to day is a different story.


Glynis Robinson November 8, 2012 at 10:44 am

Hi Vicki, Where did you originally hail from? Iceland!! — Hervey Bay is one of the best places to live. It is not humid as you say. If you think Hervey Bay is humid, then you better not go to North Queensland e.g. Cairns or any where above the line of Capricorn — Then again having said that. Sydney is a very hot and humid place in summer. I also love Toowoomba in the summer, but it is very cold in winter. I think Perth here in WA is very much like Toowoomba, The weather can be pleasant in summer with occasional humid days, but mostly hot dry summers. But venture any where away from the coast and then it is extremely hot, and when the north easterly winds blow. It brings the little friendly desert flies with it. But Perths winters are very cold and mostly wet.


vicki November 8, 2012 at 6:36 pm

Hello Glynis & Deborah.
I couldn’t believe it when I read you say Hervey Bay isn’t humid. It must depend on the person. I haven’t worn warm clothes since we moved here and have never used any form of heating either. In summer I have the air con on almost every day.Having said that, I think Hervey Bay, apart from the weather, is the perfect place to live. Now, if I could just pick it up and move it down south. Glynis, I used to live in Perth years ago (my husband travelled for his work). It is a beautiful place to live. Very cold winters, but as you may have realised, I love the cold. Yes the summers are very hot, but a dry heat, much easier to bear than the humidity. My husband and I have just come back from Perth. We were there for 2 weeks for a holiday. We have relatives who live at Serpentine, south of Perth. beautiful spot to live. If it wasn’t so far away from my family, I would move back there tomorrow.


Daniel December 26, 2012 at 5:22 am

Hi there!!

So my fiance and I would love to move to Australia from the U.S. with our young son. Adelaide sounds a lot like where we live here in Ohio. Are there plenty of movie theaters and a few nicer bars/pubs? And what about the schools? We don’t need anything too “exciting”, but a few places to go on weekends off and whatnot.

Thank you!!


Glynis Robinson December 26, 2012 at 12:18 pm

Hello, Google Adelaide, South Australia.
Google Schools, Adelaide South Australia, – schools – then same for Bars/Pubs, Adelaide South Australia and check it all out. If you like a small city in comparison to the larger cities then you will like it. Why not come to Adelaide as a first base then once here and you live there for a year or so you can then decide to stay or move on to another place, then another until you find what is right for you.

Regards Glynis


BobinOz December 28, 2012 at 9:28 pm

As Glynis has pointed out Daniel, there is stuff going on in Adelaide, I think the complaint by some is that it’s just not as lively as some of our other cities. I liked the place when I went, is definitely worth checking out.


Melody January 19, 2013 at 9:21 pm

Well I know why Adelaide was chosen as the best, most livable city, I lived there for just over 13 months and absolutely loved it. My husband on the other hand did not. He grew up there then went to Darwin where he spent 20 years and from there to Cairns. Cairns is beautiful but hot and humid. Sticky and hot and wet, mildewy and mouldy, sometimes down right disgusting but it is pretty. If you can stand the heat which drains you and exhausts you. I vote for the dry weather and yes, I lived through a summer. Adelaide has seasons, access to local transport and the best medical care. We have health insurance but in Cairns you still don’t have access to some specialists as they are not in Cairns. Adelaide was superb. The people were friendly and the food and wine was fantastic, the hills were lovely and the beaches were great. I could function without dripping profusely with sweat. I did find a lot of people in Adelaide who had never left the city and had no idea of life elsewhere. It was charming, the older historical buildings were beautiful and the city of churches still has me in its clutches. I may just go back one day.


BobinOz January 20, 2013 at 12:44 am

I wouldn’t disagree with you at all Melody, I thoroughly enjoyed my week in Adelaide and like yourself, I found the people were very friendly. Some people say there’s not much to do there, but if you don’t want to do much, and not everybody does, the city is perfect.

Thanks for taking the time to give us your opinion on Adelaide.




IanFromOz January 28, 2013 at 3:17 pm

Adelaide and Melbourne always do well in these flawed surveys because their populations are far more parochial. They’ll always talk up their own city and don’t see or acknowledge the down sides. On the other hand, Sydneysiders are overly critical of own their city, constantly bagging out the public transport, traffic etc (when really, it’s not that bad!) and taking all the good aspects for granted.
For me, Kathryn’s eloquent and informed defence of Sydney has been the highlight of all these posts.
I was born and raised in Adelaide but, like many, thankfully left there in my early 20’s. So I found cyberphi’s first post to be extremely insightful, and totally true! While it was horrible that he calcified there for 5 years, wasting the best part of his 30’s, it’s good to see he’s gotten his life back on track after moving to Sydney.
In relation to the Adelaide verdict it really is a classic case of “Nice place to visit…” (you know the rest). Superficially friendly, but ultimately quite unwelcoming.


BobinOz January 29, 2013 at 9:14 pm

Interesting theory, if it is true I can see how it would affect the results of these surveys. I have to say though, I only personally know two people who live in Sydney and they both hardly stop talking about how great the place is, but obviously two people are not representative of the whole population.

Either way, I’ll take your comment as a thumbs down for Adelaide, thanks for giving us your views IanFromOz. Nice name :-)



Matt Tom January 28, 2013 at 4:05 pm

I was working as an IT professional in the middle east (Qatar) for the last 8 years and planning to migrate to Australia this year. We are planning to visit Australia this march 2013 for deciding on the best cities to settle down. Melbourne and Sydney is in the top list as per priority. Should we consider any other city ? This website inspires me to checkout Brisbane too..? How are the Job opportunities for IT professionals in Melbourne, Syndey and Brisbane ?


Jesse Aru January 28, 2013 at 6:46 pm

I know for a fact that Sydney has many IT jobs up for grabs (lived here for 13 years), Melbourne is of similar size and demand, so probably a similar situation too, and Brisbane isn’t as big, but the same thing again.

All three of those options are fantastic, but if you’re not fussed with weather (Brisbane warm, Sydney warm, Melbourne cool), then I think Brisbane is for you. Plenty of opportunities, a nice, laid back vibe, friendly locals, decent housing, it’s quite ideal for anyone :D. In theory, there is always a place in Oz that you would love, it’s just down to finding that place!


Vick January 28, 2013 at 6:49 pm

Yeah but what about flood risks? QLD was just hit with massive storms…I can’t imagine the stress over damage or loss to my property every year.


Jesse Aru January 28, 2013 at 8:46 pm

Well, Queenslanders are hardy people who work together in tough times no matter what. My older sister is suffering from severe cancer lately, and has lived in Brisbane for about 8 years now, she’s managing it fine and she doesn’t even have a job. It may look impossibly tough, but for Australians, nothing is too tough.


Vick January 28, 2013 at 8:56 pm

I don’t think I’m any less tough for not wanting to worry about losing my house or finances…


Jesse Aru January 29, 2013 at 9:52 am

Of course, of course, but that doesn’t change the fact that I was in the outskirts of Maryborough, when a tornado, (yes a real tornado, they said it on the news), rampaged no less than 50 metres away. Yeah. Bit of a surprise. Well, we continued to Gympie, and stayed there the night only to find big puddles around our house (I had never been in a proper flood before), but we were staying there until next arvo, so we did, and the next morning, the floodwater was in all the rooms, over an inch tall (and our house was elevated!). We opened the door and the whole street was just water. We waded outside, neck deep, and saw people in boats carrying emergency stuff! It was really weird… But, that’s what Queenslanders have put up with since they settled Brisbane – living amongst natural disasters. They can put up with it, and still continue their daily lives knowing that they will get out of it eventually.
(My Queensland argument is done, keep reading for story :P)

So, we had to get a taxi (yes, a massive canoe) to get all our stuff and paddle up to higher ground, then we had to hire a real taxi to drive us to the Hervey Bay airport. We were absolutely soaking, but we couldn’t think of what troubles the people of Gympie, let alone Queensland had to go through. I personally would not live in Queensland, but that’s not because of natural disasters (I love being in natural disasters, don’t ask why), it’s because of the weather…. I just can’t put up with it even after leaving the arctic when I was 10, Sydney is too warm for Finns here in summer!


Matt Tom January 28, 2013 at 9:32 pm

Thanks Jesse. That was helpful. So that boils down to Sydney and Melbourne. My cousins are all in Perth. They say all the paymaster (mining, oil and gas) companies are in Perth. Is it true ?


Jesse Aru January 29, 2013 at 9:36 am

Well, being in Sydney right now, I can safely say that it is not as bad as the hate given to it! It is not a rat race! New York, London and Tokyo are rat races (but I love them)… Sydney is a beautiful city, plenty of action, job opportunities, the weather is usually good (sometimes a little hot), but here’s the catch – when people say ‘Sydney’, they mean Sydney City, with all the high rises and such.
The real Sydney is a LOT bigger than that, I live 1 1/2 hours from Sydney and yet we are still counted as Sydney, and I go up there every day for work by the useful train system. Good beaches, friendly locals, its a great place, I don’t see why people would ever say no to it, but I only want to leave because I’ve reached my expiry date for livin’ in one place – I’ve lived here since I was 10, and before that I lived in Rovaniemi in Finland, which is on the Arctic Circle, so I’m thinking of moving south maybe to Melbourne, which is your 2nd option. I don’t know much about Melbourne (I’m trying to find out xD), but I’m sure some of these posts can help you out.

As for the big Paymaster Co.s in Perth, yes, pretty much ALL of them are situated in Perth, so if you move there, and get a Paymaster job (presumably in an office :O), you’ll get a decent pay. But, again, I’m not a Perth expert. I only know about Canberra, Sydney and Brisbane.

Jesse :)


Jesse Aru January 28, 2013 at 6:42 pm

Hey all, found this website and it’s AWESOME 😀
Well, basically I’m from Finland, but I don’t need to go too far, because I’ve lived in Sydney for 13 years now, It’s nice and all, the transport is great, so is the medical side of things, as for entertainment, it’s unlimited.
But, over the years, I’ve grown tired of Sydney, and I’m looking for something new… Right now, I’m pondering over 3 options, Adelaide, Melbourne and Hobart. Darwin seems way too hot for Finnish blood :P, Perth is too far away from the action, I’ve been to Brisbane 4 times now, and I know that we are all different, but I find it a little bit too hot. Went to Maryborough for two weeks a short time ago, and it was unbearable towards the end. As for Canberra, it’s nice and all, but not a lot to do….

So far, this is what I’ve collected:
Adelaide – Nice, basic, historical, affordable, little hard to get a job, good location
Melbourne – Cool climate (for me :D), plenty to do, lots of opportunities
Hobart – Fairly Cold, small, enough to do…… not much else……..

Bob, please find which one of these seems the best for me:
I’m 23, from Sydney, I love Cool weather, nightlife, lots to do, cheap housing, good job opportunities and excellent history :)

So far I’m leaning towards moving to Melbourne. Please give me a few tips! :)


Devo January 28, 2013 at 8:58 pm

It’s still Perth for me. Best weather, best beaches, best roads. Absolutely love it, beautiful place. Only problem is isolation, holiday to the east are expensive, holidays to Asia are quite cheap though. Lots of job opportunities, excellent universities. Best place in the world.


Jesse Aru January 29, 2013 at 9:24 am

I would go for Perth, but it’s a tad too hot for me, but not as hot as Darwin, yet hotter than Brissie. And, most of my family live in Sydney and Brisbane, so living in Perth would be a downer for family holidays, and I’m not too keen on visiting South Asia, although cheaper airfares to Hong Kong and Tokyo would be great! (My favourite places in the world).
Apart from that, I have every reason to move to Perth, it’s just Melbourne for me is cheaper, more stuff on my side of life, my type of climate etc…
But it all boils down to your own opinion, and I think that Perth isn’t the best, but it’s definitely up there on the best places in Oz, let alone the world 😛


Vick January 29, 2013 at 10:24 am

Melbourne is a great city. The city Center is beautiful, mostly modern with some heritage. Great sporting facilities – Aus tennis open, Footy, Melbourne Cup. Beaches aren’t the same as Sydney, but St. Kildas is pretty popular for water sports – kites, jet skis. Mornington Peninsula and Torquay not far for diving and surf. Melbourne has tons of cafes, great restaurants, nightlife, music scene. Train system and trams are good.

The key with any city is finding the right place to live in Melbourne. I wouldn’t live in the far outer suburbs but prefer inner city areas.


Jesse Aru January 29, 2013 at 4:56 pm

Same here! Yes, I’d prefer to live close to the city, if I’m moving there I’m thinking of Port Melbourne, it’s got a port, it’s close to the beaches, it’s close to all the action of the centre, and close to the suburbs at the same time :)


Vick January 29, 2013 at 4:57 pm

Yes! Highly recommend. I’m in South Yarra area and love it.


Jesse Aru January 29, 2013 at 4:58 pm

Yes, I’m currently researching that area, is it very expensive for property?


Vick January 29, 2013 at 5:02 pm

One of the more expensive areas, but no different than what you’d find in Sydney I guess. I’m only here short term. I was up in the northern suburbs and its much cheaper there but I was so unhappy there.


Jesse Aru January 29, 2013 at 5:04 pm

Sounds good! Is there an area of Melbourne that’s well….. Full of gangs and stuff and drive-by shootings etc? I want to stay away from there….


Vick January 29, 2013 at 5:09 pm

Haha, yes good plan! I generally wouldn’t recommend some of outer suburbs like Frankston is a bit rough. But places are changing, people are different…Brunswick is deemed “hippy” and changing, but I’m not a fan and don’t feel comfortable there nor Coburg. St Kilda used to be “red light district” but its improving now and near the beach is trendy.


Jesse Aru January 29, 2013 at 5:12 pm

Good info! I’ll take some notes. I’m guessing Port Melbourne’s quite expensive? I reckon South Yarra sounds like my kind of place 😀


Vick January 29, 2013 at 5:14 pm

Yep. South Yarra, Richmond, Toorak are nice. Near to the city and neat places on their own. South gate is nice too but expensive to live!


Jesse Aru January 29, 2013 at 5:15 pm

Thanks for that! If you want info on Sydney just ask me :)

Vick January 29, 2013 at 5:17 pm

Too funny! Just had a couple of job offers there so I might have to take you up on that…Northern Beaches (N?) and Sutherland. Thanks! :)

Jesse Aru January 29, 2013 at 10:22 pm

My only concern about South Yarra is crime. On a survey about the world’s most liveable city, Melbourne came first, so then they did a Melbourne suburbs most liveable suburb and South Yarra won 😀 it ticked all the boxes except for one. Crime. Please explain this thanks!


Vicky January 29, 2013 at 10:37 pm

Hmm…that’s interesting. I wouldn’t think South Yarra is any more crime-worthy than other suburbs near the city center. I haven’t had any issues here and feel a lot safer here than I do in other places (i.e. Coburg, Noble Park…). I was told that places in the north, Preston, Frankston, etc. were the places to stay away from when I came here…There are a lot of young people around South Melbourne area here (I’m in between SY and St. Kilda) and the hospital is near where I live. It’s just a clean more upscale area near the hotels by the lake…I also run around Albert Lake daily and it’s usually pretty crowded. So I guess it depends on which part of the area you live in. I’m a girl and been out walking at night by myself and taken the tram late but it’s usually crowded and I stay on the main roads…I am cautious of course and generally paranoid out at night by myself no matter where I am.


Jesse Aru January 30, 2013 at 10:13 pm

Well then, South Yarra and Richmond sound perfect :)

Glynis Robinson January 29, 2013 at 11:12 am

I lived in Brisbane and Brisbane outskirts from 1963 – 1991 and not once did I get flooded out. My workplace got flooded out in 1974, after the water went down we went and helped our employer to clean up. It took 2 weeks and then the business resumed work. Brisbane have lots of high ground that are above flood line. The ones that get flooded live on low ground near the rivers. The same could be said for all places all over the world. Live on low ground and risk floods. live on high ground and watch the low areas flood.


Jesse Aru January 29, 2013 at 4:58 pm

Yes, very true, but everywhere in Brisbane risks flooding, especially at the moment Brisbane is undergoing a bit of strife with their flood, and a lot of the flooding is on higher ground! I’d personally prefer somewhere colder, and with less of a habit of flooding.


Jesse Aru January 29, 2013 at 5:25 pm

Hey Vick, sorry, it won’t let me reply again 😛 anyways, Yes, the North Beaches are pretty, there’s a lot to do, a nice calm feel about the place, as for Sutherland, I’m 3 train stops from there! Sutherland is basically the commercial hub of Sutherland Shire (the big southernmost shire in Sydney), it’s close to the Royal National Park, has plenty to do, property prices range from central Sutherland being pretty cheap to Cronulla being quite expensive, it’s basically a city inside a city 😛 Out of the two, North Beaches is closer to the city itself, and Sutherland is on the South outskirts, but it’s closer to Oatley (where I live) and Oatley is awesome 😛


BobinOz January 29, 2013 at 10:24 pm

Well, as you know Jesse, I live in Brisbane and yes, we’ve had another one of those flood things. As a result of that, my telephone hasn’t worked for a couple of days and so neither has my Internet. I was one of the lucky ones, at least I still had electricity. But, I must stress, absolutely no other damage at all whatsoever to my house or land. I didn’t suffer in 2011 either, although I did lose power for a few days during that one.

Anyway, whilst I’ve been offline, it’s been quite chatty here, hasn’t it? Hi to everyone, BTW.

Flooding is a problem in Brisbane, and nobody wants to be wading through their house every couple of years trying to collect their furniture and I think that’s the impression some people have about this city. Obviously there are certain houses prone to flooding, but there are way way more houses that simply will not flood because of their location.

All I can say is, choose your house in Brisbane or indeed anywhere in Queensland very carefully. I wouldn’t dismiss it entirely as a city simply because of the wild weather, because for me, it’s Brisbanes whether that I really love.

For you though Jesse, being from Finland, maybe not, but for Matt Tom, I wouldn’t cross it off your list yet, not if you like 30° summers and 20° winters.

Jesse, you also said “Well, Queenslanders are hardy people who work together in tough times no matter what.” I was wondering if that was a misprint, are you saying that you don’t think people help each other during a crisis in this state? I can tell you, nothing could be further from the truth, you have heard of the Mud Army haven’t you?

Queenslanders really do rally together during these times, it’s actually inspirational.

Anyway, for you you seem to have narrowed it down to Melbourne, Adelaide or Hobart. I’ve been to all three places, I loved each of them in a different way, but I only spent six days in Adelaide and about four in each of the other two cities. I’m hardly in a position to really advise you which city is best for you. Fortunately, many others chimed in to help out, but for what it’s worth, here’s my take.

I loved Hobart, if you like lots of rivers, lakes and open oceans along with plenty of rolling green hills and fields, Hobart and Tasmania is definitely for you. Proper pubs, old and historic, with log fires roaring in the winter and great food from fantastic surrounding restaurants. If that sounds exciting to you, that’s where I would head, but make sure you can find work if you need it, unemployment is quite high.

On the other hand, as you are only young, Melbourne is a very buzzing city with lots of things to do. The nightlife from what I have seen is excellent, with music, comedy, lots of bars and restaurants and a great deal to choose from with input from many different cultures. If you want a lively nightlife, go to Melbourne.

I loved Adelaide, but just too many people have told me that there really isn’t very much to do there, even people I met when I was there who have lived there are few years. For me, that isn’t too much of a problem, I’m happy firing up the barbecue and having a few friends round. For you though, perhaps you’d want more and on that basis, perhaps Adelaide isn’t for you.

But I’d be more inclined to listen to the others who have really lived in these places and really know what it’s like. Good luck wherever you choose, if it doesn’t work out, you can always move again :-)




Jesse Aru January 30, 2013 at 9:54 pm

I’ve been tempted to choose Melbourne after a couple of talks over the past week, and after hearing your response, I think I’ll stick with it :) I’m just waiting for a comedy job over there to spring up (I started comedy in bars in Finland when I was 7 :D)


Vicky January 29, 2013 at 10:40 pm

Oh wow – thanks for the info. Very helpful! I was told that Cronulla would be the best place to stay – younger and near the beaches but it seems crazy expensive there. I think I would prefer the Northern Beaches because it seems less hectic and beautiful but the job in the Shire is more appealing.


Kathryn January 30, 2013 at 12:08 am

Vicky, Cronulla is actually a lot more central than the Northern Beaches. Cronulla has a direct train link to the city which is only about 45 minutes because most of the trains that leave from Cronulla are “through trains” that by-pass many stations from Sutherland to Hurstville. Cronulla is a fabulous, vibrant area with beautiful pristine beaches. The Northern Beaches are also gorgeous but the only public transport is via long-haul public buses which take AGES to get to the city. In any case, if you have been offered a job in the Sutherland Shire, you will not have to worry about peak hour travel to the city. Cronulla is close to the second oldest National Park in the world, ie The Royal National Park which is one of the most beautiful national parks in Australia with huge tracts of rainforest and unspoilt beaches. If you want the best quality of life, you can’t beat the St George or Sutherland Shire. People who live there really believe it is the best place in the world!


Jesse Aru January 30, 2013 at 9:46 pm

I’m glad you say that about my region of St George, yes, St George is a really high standard place and it’s comparatively cheap and close to Sutherland 😀


Kathryn January 31, 2013 at 8:13 am

Jesse, the St George region is my region too. I also live in Oatley which is one of the most tightly held suburbs in Sydney. It is absolutely beautiful here but, of course, the cost of housing and rental accommodation reflects that. We have lived here for over 30 years and absolutely love it. If I had to live anywhere else, it would be a waterfront at South Cronulla or Burraneer Bay.


Jesse Aru January 31, 2013 at 2:57 pm

We should have a cup of tea sometime 😛


Vick January 30, 2013 at 9:52 pm

Thanks Kathryn! Wow, sounds like a beauty of a place :) 45 mins still seems far from the CBD but I guess that’s typical? And I assume everything you’d need/want – stores, beaches, outdoor (running places?) are sufficient in the Shire area. I think Cronulla sounds like the place to live – but I’m worried about the cost if rent/living there!


Jesse Aru January 30, 2013 at 9:59 pm

If you’re worried about the costs for Cronulla, then live nearby or on the rim of Cronulla, where it’ll be cheaper. Let’s be honest, when you check out the prices of housing, you won’t be too pleased, but its an excellent location and you will not be unimpressed.


Vick January 30, 2013 at 10:01 pm

Good point. I’ll probably rent initially anyhow…but I’d rather pay more to be in a nice location than less for a not great place.


Jesse Aru January 30, 2013 at 10:08 pm

Then Cronulla will not fail to impress 😀


Kathryn January 31, 2013 at 8:06 am

Vick, Cronulla and the Sutherland Shire is really not that expensive (depending where you live and whether or not you select a 1 Bedroom or 2 bedroom Unit). Below is a link that will provide you with rental accommodation in four different suburbs of the Shire that have great shopping and transport facilities, ie Cronulla (which is right on the beach but further out); Miranda (which has a huge shopping and business centre and not far from Cronulla), Jannali (a suburb quite close to the St George area within the Sutherland Shire that has good, cheap rental accommodation ranging from as little as $300 per week) and Sutherland (another area of the Shire).

If you want to compare these rental prices with other suburbs, all you need to do is delete the suburbs I have selected in the Search bar and insert other suburbs. By comparison, if you want to see how expensive the northern beaches (by comparison) are, insert suburb names like: Narrabeen, Collaroy, Dee Why (if you click on nearby suburbs the search will pick up rental accommodation available in surrounding areas).

If you are worried about rental prices, my suggestion is that you select the more moderate suburbs within the St George area, eg Mortdale, Penshurst, Hurstville which are close to the city by a great train service (only 30 minutes) and right near all the main arterial links of the M5 and M4. Hurstville is like a major shopping centre (like Miranda) but also like Chinatown. If you are going to work in Sutherland, though you may consider living there but, personally, I think you would enjoy Cronulla more which is right on the beach. Sutherland can get a bit bleak in winter.


Vicky January 31, 2013 at 10:52 pm

Thank you so much Kathryn! Truly helpful. Cronulla isn’t too far from the Shire then is it? I don’t want to be commuting hours each day. Thank you so much for that link!! Fantastic. I was hoping to find something furnished and all-inclusive but I don’t think that’s likely. Those prices so far seem pretty decent for a beautiful beachside area….as long as I’m near beaches, stores and a relatively young, trendy area, it’s all good :)


Vicky February 6, 2013 at 10:21 pm

Kathryn (Or Jesse…or anyone!), Do you know much about Woolongong? I’ve an opportunity there too and am bouncing between there and Sydney…


Jesse Aru February 7, 2013 at 4:23 pm

I’ve been to Woolongong many times, it seems like a nice place, it’s got a good beach, plenty of parks, it’s out of the way of Sydney, but connected by our train system (about 1 hour away from Sydney CBD by train), and the moutainous scenery around Woolongong is quite pretty.
But of course, as to every city, there is a downside. 3/4 of the time that I have gone to Woolongong, it’s been as thick as pea soup, and I don’t think that’s co-incidence.
Also, dare I say it, but I find it boring. Sure, it’s NICE, but there isn’t a lot to do apart from go to the local Woolies and go back home. Things close early and there aren’t enough high-rises for my taste 😛
I guess if I had to pick North Beaches, Cronulla or Woolongong, I would go for Cronulla up on top, but, it’s not my opinion that matters. In regards to weather, it really is almost the same as Sydney, with the odd colder day and the common foggy, misty day.

I think it’s like Portsmouth but with mountains behind it and a tad smaller 😛


Kathryn February 8, 2013 at 10:16 am

Yes I know Wollongong very well and love it. Wollongong is a satellite city of Sydney and is in a really scenic position surrounded by sensational beaches, restaurants, cafes and wonderful parklands and gardens. It is completely self sufficient of Sydney but within an easy 1-1/2 hours drive from Sydney by car or train. Wollongong also has an outstanding university which is recognised as one of the leading Universities in the country (my son went there to do Network Engineering). Wollongong is right on the doorstep to one of the most beautiful and extensive national parks in Sydney, ie The Royal National Park and has a backdrop of gorgeous mountainous and rainforested hinterland. Nearby Jamberoo has a waterland park that is absolutely fabulous for children. “The Gong” (as Wollongong is affectionately known) has every conceivable shop you could desire with lots of surrounding industry, business and, of course, the university to provide plenty of opportunities for employment.

Nearby Kiama is an absolutely fabulous tourist mecca with the blowhole and lots of trendy restaurants and cafes. The south coast drive (from Sydney to Wollongong) via Bulli, the famous Sea Cliff Bridge (make sure you stop for lunch at the sensational Scarborough Pub) and the gorgeous, unspoilt beaches of Austinmere and Thirroul, is one of the loveliest coastal drives in the country (very similar, in sections, to The Great Ocean Road in Victoria).

My advice is if you want to purchase in this area to do it fast because thousands of retiring Baby Boomers are just realising how beautiful the Sutherland Shire and the South Coast really is … property values here will boom in a few years.

Do you want more information? Click on the following links which will provide you with a long list of things to do and see in the area:


Vick February 9, 2013 at 4:00 pm

Thanks Kathryn – Is Canterbury a good suburb for short term stay…?


Kathryn February 9, 2013 at 5:09 pm

Canterbury is a blue-collar, working class area on the Bankstown line which is not one of the nicer areas of Sydney. Bankstown has had trouble with gangs and drug-related violence in recent years and it is not an area I would recommend. Bankstown has one of the highest unemployment and welfare dependent communities in Sydney. It is a very multicultural area with the largest communities originating from Lebanon thence Vietnam, China and emerging communities from Sri Lanka and Pakistan.

Didn’t you get a job offer in the Sutherland Shire? If you are thinking of working in the Sutherland Shire, it would certainly be preferable to live in the Sutherland Shire or the St George districts. They are much nicer areas in which to raise a family. If you are required to commute from Canterbury to the Sutherland Shire, it will mean you will need to get a bus to Hurstville (from Canterbury) thence a train into the Sutherland Shire or drive through peak hour traffic cross country.


Vick February 9, 2013 at 5:17 pm

That’s what I was afraid of….I can get cheap accomodations there. I have 2 job offers in Sydney – one in the Shire and the other in the southern suburbs…that one pays more but I have heard negative things about those ‘burbs. I could love in Coogee and get a car – but still much traffic? Not sure if this second job is so good now. Alternatively, I could work in Woolongong but I am more of a city girl. Or – stay in Melbourne search for work.


Kathryn February 9, 2013 at 5:28 pm

Vick, the Cronulla/Sutherland Shire is considered the southern suburbs. Wollongong is located in the Illawarra district (south of the southern suburbs). Coogee is in the Eastern Suburbs and can be expensive. Outlined below is a link to which will outline the prices of a 2 bedroom unit (apartment) in both the Cronulla and Coogee areas. The two areas are both very nice locations to live but I prefer Cronulla because it has a really great beachy, laid back feel to it.

Good luck!


Kathryn February 9, 2013 at 5:32 pm

Sorry, the above link shows PURCHASE PRICES of 2 bedroom units/apartments which will not be of any help to you. Outlined below are the RENTAL PRICE comparisons between Cronulla and Coogee (they are somewhat similar)…


Vick February 9, 2013 at 5:37 pm

Thanks for your help Kathryn. Hmm…perhaps I wasn’t clear. There is one job in the Shire. The other involves working in the suburbs of Miranda, Lakemba?, marricksville and Sylvania (which I though were south)…I heard some were not good but others said not to worry as long as I don’t live there…

I know Woolongong is separate! It’s just another offer.


Kathryn February 9, 2013 at 9:02 pm

Vick, you are right about the suburbs of Miranda and Sylvania. They’re really nice areas in the southern suburbs of the Cronulla/Sutherland Shire. Marrickville is an inner western suburb of Sydney that used to be a bit of a slum but is now considered rather trendy and the rental prices will reflect that. Lakemba, like Canterbury, is near Bankstown – if possible, avoid living there.


Jesse Aru April 26, 2013 at 6:31 pm

I can sum up a few ‘burbs:
*Lakemba – Don’t go here, at all, has a history.
*Bankstown – Same thing, but a little bit better, I go here often for shopping etc and find it ok, just don’t go past the usual shopping area.
*Miranda/Sylvania – Great, family-orientated places. Not the best, but a very good spot. Also has good shopping centre.
*Marrickville – true urban living. Nice terraces and townhouses that are cheap, and is a hidden gem :)
*Cronulla/Coogee – great, nothing bad about them apart from housing cost is sometimes unbearable and there can be a massive amount of tourists these days.
*(The Shire) – Overall, great place. Can be expensive, but well worth it. A not-so-hidden gem :)
*Woolongong (just call it ‘The Gong’ :D) – Even though this town isn’t in Sydney – it is just 1 1/2 hours from the CBD of Town Hall Station. And out of these, I’d say it stands equal with the Shire, except even cheaper!
*I know this isn’t really on your list, but I live in Oatley, and commute to university via the Illawarra line, I could not recommend Oatley/Mortdale/Penshurst area more. It’s another hidden gem with some good deals for housing, can easily sense community spirit, full of parks, barely any crime…. the list can go on and on :)

Hope this is useful. If you need any more info on any suburb just let me know.


Jesse Aru January 30, 2013 at 10:06 pm

Before I plan on moving to Melbourne (specifically South Yarra), I’m planning on applying for a job that will both earn me $57,000 but also take me back to Finland in some aspects. I am applying for being a cook at the Davis station in Antarctica, and also their local comedian :D. It’s a big step, but it’ll earn me some good cash, bring back memories and be a new experience! And did I mention training, travelling, food, clothes and accommodation is all free! And as for temperature indoors, the base’s inside temperature is 22 degrees Celsius all year round! And I’ll be doing that for 6 months, hopefully in 2 years, then I shall move to Melbourne with a little extra money from a unique experience 😀


Vick January 30, 2013 at 10:10 pm

Sounds amazing Jesse! Good for you for following a dream. Melbourne will still be there :) I may stay here if I don’t get Sydney but who knows! I like Bob’s advice – move if you don’t like it….although relocating is costly.


Jesse Aru January 30, 2013 at 10:16 pm

Thanks for that 😀 as for Bob’s advice, I’ve made notes on – out of all capital cities on this blog the one that was least mentioned was Hobart, I love the dearly, it’s just not or me as a young person and the unemployment scares me…..


Dogjiggity February 19, 2013 at 4:53 am

If a family of 5 (children 1, 4 and 6) were to move from the USA to Australia to live, where would you recommend settling? Schools would obviously be important, as well as adaptability and family-friendly activities. Thanks!!


BobinOz February 20, 2013 at 12:16 am

Here’s a round up, good place to start… A Quick Guide to Choosing a City in Australia. If you also click on the link at the top in the navigation menu to Australia’s Cities, there’s a load of links to information about all the major areas.

Have a good read and see what takes your fancy.




jennet February 20, 2013 at 1:06 pm

Hi Bob

I will be coming to brisbane and the goldcoast in april with my 2 girls 16,8yrs to have a look around as we want to move fromAdelaide so its between queensland or perth. Do you know of any cheap accommodations to stay for a week.


BobinOz February 21, 2013 at 12:37 am

No, sorry.


Jesse Aru April 26, 2013 at 6:13 pm

Personally, I would go for Queensland for moving. The weather is generally more humid, but then again, you don’t want to turn into a prune in WA! Perth (I haven’t been, but when my mother immigrated from south London, she lived in Perth for well over 10 years), isn’t a very attractive city in general. Sure, you have close proximity to places like Bali, and the gorgeous Kakadu and stuff……., but Perth is generally unattractive, the airport is terrible (rated in the top 10 most hated airports in the WORLD), and it is simply too expensive. Sure, Sydney takes the win for most expensive Aussie city, but Perth comes hot on its heels, followed by Canberra. And most of Sydney is quite cheap, while most of Perth is generally overpriced. But we’re not talking about Sydney are we :) Brisbane I don’t know a lot about but I have been, and I can say this: It is not a city. It is a ‘big town’, if you know what I mean, which has its advantages and disadvantages. All in all I’d pick Brisbane to live, but as for accommodation, I have no clue 😛
I thought I’d just put in my two cents.


Kathryn February 21, 2013 at 7:58 am
Glynis Robinson February 21, 2013 at 11:27 am

Jennet, Try to find a budget self contained unit. Then you can cook for yourselves instead of forking out big bucks for meals all the time. I have 2 favourites here in Perth, so there must be places similar in Brisbane or Gold Coast.


Suzanne April 11, 2013 at 4:53 pm

Hi All,
Just thought Id put my 2 cents worth in as we are ready to move on and researching cities to live.
I can give a fairly good review of 2 cities/towns:
Darwin, lived there for 26 years and left 10 years ago, it was a great place to grow up as a teenager and then raised my children there.

On upside always plenty of work, low population, fairly young population not so many retiries, hardly any traffic, very easy going lifestyle, lots of beaches, beautiful sunsets, fabulous markets and easy to get hooked on lay back living and for these reasons miss it lots.

Downside OMG where to start… the weather crazy humid and hot (and funny thing people always talking about weather up there) and it doesn’t change from one day to the next. Two seasons Wet/Dry. Wet season is just that wet and rainy and very hot and humid. Dry season no rain for about 5 months of year and cooler more comfortable weather. Okay here we go…cant swim in ocean (highly lethal Jelly fish) cant swim lakes/rivers Crocodiles so if you have a love of water you can only LOOK at it. Too hot to go walking hiking even bike riding most of the time. Not much to do and very isolated, limited services, very very expensive housing both rental and to buy. Just the weather alone is the reason why I would never move up there again even though I miss it so much. Holiday every 5 years will do me (in middle of Dry season)
Now live on Gold Coast for past 10 years and ready for change. The Gold Coast great place to come to after Darwin, lots do, spent the first 3 years here driving 1000 kilometers in every direction, loved it. To live here though very transient place and the only real work here is tourism, retail, hospitality. I really think it lacks substance here as it is so commercial, not easy place to make friends, all my friends and family that have moved here have also moved on elsewhere.
So we are considering moving to South Coast NSW maybe Wollongon area only have one teenager left at home so need to be near good school, any feedback on this would be great.


BobinOz April 11, 2013 at 7:56 pm

Hi Suzanne

And a very worthwhile two cents it was too, always great to hear what other people think about places to live in Australia, having lived there themselves.

People often ask me about Darwin, I say it’s a love it or loathe it place, until I read your description I didn’t realise that it didn’t have to be an either or, sounds like you both love it and loathe it at the same time :-)

Take your point on the Gold Coast too.

As for Wollongong, I suggest you scroll back up and have a look for comments by Kathryn, she has made a lot of very valuable comments on my website (thanks Kathryn) and she has a few on this page, she talks about Wollongong.

It sounds like she likes the place too; good luck finding your new home.




Jesse Aru April 17, 2013 at 10:02 pm

Wollongong is a great little town – it’s very spread out and jobs were everywhere when I went there 2 months ago. The houses aren’t the cheapest – but they’re cheaper than Sydney or Melbourne, that’s for sure. It has everything to support a family, and behind Wollongong is a spectacular mountain view, and an active, compact nightlife. If there is any big shopping to be done, Sydney is 1 hour, 20 minutes away, and the further south you go, the more unspoiled beaches. It’s doubled up with numerous ‘liveable city’ awards handed to it. I can’t think of a negative thought at all :)


Jesse Aru April 26, 2013 at 6:06 pm

Well, I’m going to Melbourne in July – I was invited to a gaming convention called PAX. It’s located at the Melbourne Showgrounds, and I’m pretty certain I’ll be staying at the Hilton :)
And I may…. I’m not sure yet, but I may be visiting Brisbane again soon. I want to see more of Brisbane since last time I saw nothing, stayed 2 nights only and stayed in…. Coorparoo. Yes, Coorparoo. So, another trip to Brisbane will tell me more about Qld’s capital. I haven’t liked it that much, but then again people tell me that’s because I stayed in Coorparoo 😀
Anyways just updating my domestic travel adventures :)


Vicky April 26, 2013 at 6:16 pm

That’s great Jesse! I also agree that you should see Brisbane again. I was only there briefly but really liked the Southbank, river area. The Botannical gardens and markets are nice.

I’m actually wondering what people’s thoughts are on Gold Coast, Byron Bay and the Grafton/Yamba area for a gal in her early 30’s? I love Melbourne and culture/city, but also love the sun/outdoors/laid back thing.


Jesse Aru April 26, 2013 at 6:43 pm

Thanks :) Yeah, Brisbane I’m sure has a lot more to offer than just Coorparoo for 2 days… I know for a fact that many people prefer the Sunshine Coast rather than the Gold Coast, for reasons like being overpriced, I can’t blame them 😀 Don’t know about the other two though. Also, how’s Carlton for a suburb? I just recently looked towards this suburb, but don’t know too much inside info.
Thanks :)


BobinOz April 26, 2013 at 6:54 pm

Jesse, yes, there’s much more to Brisbane than Coorparoo :-)

Vicky, check out these posts…

Byron Bay is also where I first saw a venomous snake in the wild, watch the video which also includes plenty of Byron Bay…

Both Yamba and Byron Bay seen great places to live and both are well-suited for someone of your age. Maybe you would like the Gold Coast too, but I think it’s a bit too commercial and it just doesn’t have the cool vibe of the other two towns.




Vicky April 26, 2013 at 6:54 pm

Carlton is good – super close to the city and Lygon Street which has amazing food and shopping. That and Richmond are good for close to the city. Port Melnourne I love as well – further from the city but close to the water…but the weather will be cold here July so I guess that won’t matter as much. St.Kilda is very young, hip and close to the beach as well but it can get a little rowdy at times with backpackers…


Jesse Aru April 27, 2013 at 8:33 pm

Yeah, I’ve been thinking about buying a small apartment opposite the university in Carlton, I’m literally just 3 days pay from affording it, but there’s a sense that I can get more bang for my buck somewhere else…. I’m sure most people who’ve bought a house near to the city have felt that feeling. I would go for Port Melbourne, but it seems way too expensive for me :(. Still, coming from Helsinki’s inner suburbs, I’m not allowed to say that, am I? 😛


Cassandra Hayden May 24, 2013 at 12:22 am

That list is so wrong! Sydney is the number 1 place to live.
Sydney is the most economically successful in Australia.
It is the most populated in Australia as well – clearly for a reason.
The most successful people own properties in Sydney, not Adelaide!
If you want to make a site – ATLEAST get some evidence behind your posts.


BobinOz May 24, 2013 at 6:52 pm

Did you read the post Cassandra? The “evidence” comes from the almost 6000 Australians who took part in the poll.


Lucy May 25, 2013 at 8:33 am

I’m sure many Australians are going to roll their eyes at this question :) But I’ll take the plunge and ask anyway!

So, which city would be the best to live in in terms of … the fewest spiders?

(shiver going down my spine)


BobinOz May 27, 2013 at 6:33 pm

Did you know that apparently there are 750 million spiders living in the UK, the experts say there are 30 in every house just crawling around somewhere. So I wouldn’t worry about it, nobody here has died from a spider bite since the late 70s.

I’d be guessing to give you a serious answer, but I assume the colder the place the fewer spiders there will be, but I’m not even sure about that. If it is the case though, then Hobart, Canberra and maybe Melbourne might be the most spider free in Australia.

Seriously though, spiders really are not a problem here.



Glynis Robinson May 28, 2013 at 11:31 am

Hi Bobinoz, If 750 spigders live in the UK, I would assume that spiders survive quite well here in Australia, don’t matter where you are. I live in a wheatbelt town in WA and it gets quite cold here during winter when all the spiders hibernate. But in summer that are seen everywhere because they come out of hiding and breed. I am a person with Arachniphobia and hate all spiders. But they do not worry me, so long as I have a can of pest spray handy. :-) I’ve lived in Australia for 50 years this year, having migrated with my parents in 1963. In all this time I have only been bitten once when I was gardening without wearing gloves. The bite was not dangerous, it just swelled up a bit and got very itchy for about a week.


BobinOz May 28, 2013 at 8:43 pm

When I first got here, I was also quick on the draw with the pest spray, but now that I realise spiders are mostly as harmless here as they are in the UK, I reverted back to removing them with a glass and a postcard.

All intruding spiders get gently placed on the ground outside. I can understand you not wanting to do that with arachnophobia, but I think we can both agree on the same thing, spiders are not really a problem here in Oz. Cheers Glynis!


Lucy May 28, 2013 at 11:50 pm

Thanks for your input. I would say if there was a worse condition than Arachnophobia, I would have that.

But I also don’t want to kill them. As long as they stay very, very far away from me :) Which they probably prefer to do anyway.


Glynis Robinson May 28, 2013 at 11:58 pm

I spray my window frames and doorway frames and that keeps most spiders outside. But if there happens to be a spider inside, my husband removes it outside just like you Bob.


Nikki prendergast February 11, 2014 at 6:31 am

Hi Lucy, I like you also have a severe case of arachnophobia & am considering a move down under but I’m so scared incase I make the make the move & simply can’t live with my fear of spiders over there given the fact they’re so huge & poisonous! Did you make the move? If so, where did u go & are the spiders as bad as you thought?



Glynis Robinson February 11, 2014 at 12:50 pm

Hi Nikki, & Lucy,
The spiders are not as huge as everyone thinks. There may be a few tarantula’s around the non poisonous type. They only sit up in corners high up and eat the mosquitos. But again spray around doors and windows and they won’t come in. There is a lot of hype in the media and books about all our dangerous animals and spiders. But when you think about it, Africa has more dangerous animals. e.g. Lions, hyenas etc.
You just don’t put yourself in their habitat without protection.


Jamien September 6, 2013 at 11:41 am

So why do all the talented people in Adelaide leave?


BobinOz September 6, 2013 at 7:12 pm

Do they then?


Jemma September 30, 2013 at 3:17 pm

Hi everyone. Adelaide topped the poll again. Look is it Sydney . No. Is it massive ?no. We are Brits who spent seven years in Sydney chasing the property market. It was so stressful. We moved To Marino 3 years ago. We bought a house 2 streets from the beach with amazing views. 10 minutes to Glenelg, Marion and just hour to the city. For those who say there is not much to do. Not sure what you are looking for. Cool China town for yum cha, beaches with no rip, great pubs with great food and cool ones. Wineries 20 minutes drive away. Kangaroo Island. Central Markets. Willunga farmers market. Does it have sky scrapers . Nope but LA have few. Climate is great. Very dry which after days days if rain, we like. Down side is winter. But we keep warm by getting away to Eastern states or this year Bali. Lots of flights direct and you are not as isolated as with Perth. Things have changed in 3 years we have been here too. North terrace development, freeway getting sorted and everyone we meet seems to be Kiwi, South African or British. If you have children and still like luxury, you may be surprised. Nannies can be found or even better set up a nanny business. Next we need a change of labour government for more progress. Ps the photos you took of Adelaide are terrible. What about Henley, Westlakes or even North Terrace.


BobinOz October 1, 2013 at 12:44 pm

Sounds like you are enjoying life in Adelaide Jemma, I’m not surprised, I really enjoyed the place when I went. Yes, I did notice that Adelaide came top again, I did an update to this post recently, you can see it here…

Sorry you don’t like my photographs, but I can’t pop back to Adelaide now. If you want to send me some better ones, I’ll stick them up here.

Cheers, Bob


Jemma October 2, 2013 at 10:51 pm

Thanks Bob. I will :) did I mention Womeadelaide, Sellicks Beach, Maggie Beer, Hahndorf, Hagues, Coopers, Australia’s best bakery and importantly you get bands in the pubs still. I have few pics but google Brighton, Seacliff, Marino for great surf clubs and parklands. Along North Terrace, massive changes, great museum and art gallery. Both free. Boats your thing eat out at Holdfast shores. Australia is so expensive but beautiful we find Sa a great base to actually have that lifestyle and still travel. Love your website. Get some pics soon to show she is not asleep but a place to chill.


BobinOz October 3, 2013 at 12:29 am

No, you didn’t mention all those places, but you have now :-)

I should have said that I have actually been to Adelaide, just for a week, but I really loved the place. I’ve been to a few places you mention and I wrote about my visit here…

Looking forward to those pics, I’ll put them up when I get them. What’s Maggie Beer? I can normally smell of beer from a mile away, never came across that when I was there.


Warwick Tyler October 27, 2013 at 9:09 am

As an Australian, I will say this – there is no way that Adelaide can compare to Sydney! Adelaide is a provincial town whereas Sydney is a true international city! Absolutely no comparison! If you want a quieter life – go to Adelaide.


BobinOz October 27, 2013 at 7:44 pm

I think that’s the difference, do you want a hectic fast paced lifestyle or a quiet life? London can’t be compared with, say, Bath, but you would certainly live in Bath if you want to chill out more.


Glynis Rose Robinson October 27, 2013 at 7:51 pm

No one could or would compare Adelaide or any other capital City in Australia with Sydney. All the capital cities in this wonderful country are different and suit all different peoples tastes. I personally like Adelaide very much as I do with Darwin. I do not like crowds or lots of traffic and do not like Sydney for that reason. Yes I have lived in Sydney and I could not get out of there fast enough. If you are a person that loves the big international style cities, then you will love Sydney.
But if you like the laid back and relaxed style of living then you will like Adelaide, Perth and maybe Brisbane (it has been 20 years since I lived in Brisbane so do not know it now) . I cannot speak for Melbourne as I have never been there.
Glynis Robinson
loving my semi retirement in a small country town in the West Australian wheatbelt.


BobinOz October 28, 2013 at 5:11 pm

Very true Glynis, very true.

I can confirm that Brisbane is still pretty laid-back, but not as laid-back as either Adelaide or Darwin, I don’t know about Perth I’ve not been yet.


Jesse Aru November 30, 2013 at 7:03 pm

Hi all, have been to Melbourne back in July, and Brisbane in August, sadly as a friend passed away from cancer, but I’m not here to make everyone sad! I got to see more than just Coorparoo this time, places like Greenslopes and New Farm were some areas that I saw. As much as I love Sydney, Brisbane seemed better. It was less crowded everywhere, housing was so much cheaper, even right in the CBD, it was sunnier, and had pleasant temperatures, and the locals are a lot friendlier than Sydney’s TBH.
But I wouldn’t want to live there, Melbourne’s already on the top of my list :)

Also, completely off-topic, but I’ve also returned from September, October and a lot of November living in Orne Department, Normandy (near the town of Flers). Beats Melbourne, Sydney or Brisbane any day of the week 😛


BobinOz December 1, 2013 at 8:11 pm

Orne Department, Normandy better than Australian cities? Mais non! Quelle horreur!


Kelly January 21, 2014 at 8:49 am

Hi there,
I’m Kelly (Italian/British nationality) and I’m in great need of advice. I’m 28 and applying for a working holiday visa to Australia, and as short as a year may seem I really don’t know where to go. Most of the people I know go to Perth, I personally thought of Melbourne, Sidney and Brisbane…and even thought I have visited all of these places about a decade ago, I can’t remember much and I really can’t make my mind up. I am planning to go from March/April of this year to the next and would like some advice on which place could be the best considering employment, life cost, climate, (night-life) people…

Thank you


BobinOz January 21, 2014 at 11:45 pm

My view is definitely not Perth. Go east coast then you can visit Melbourne, Sydney AND Brisbane. There’s much more to see over the eastern side and better nightlife.


Kelly February 11, 2014 at 3:12 am

I think that’s exactly what I’m going to do,
thank you Bob|



Glynis Robinson February 11, 2014 at 12:37 pm

Hi Kelly & Bob, I agree with Bob on where to go. Although I came to Perth in 1991 through necessity, I feel that you would be better off on the east coast. So much more to see and more job prospects. And when the southern states get cold then travel up to tropical Queensland.


jacquie February 17, 2014 at 2:58 pm

Hi all… I grew up and lived my childhood in Canberra and country NSW. These were ok as a child but not as a teen or young adult. I found that Canberra is more like a big country town but very expensive to live. expensive housing, petrol, food and most the year its either so cold you need continuous heating or so bloody hot you need cooling. it used to have 4 seasons.
Now its just dead dry and baron in freezing winter or dead dry and baron in stinking summer. It is at least a 2 hr drive down a big mountain to the coast,(thats not in peak time, one road in one road out traffic stops and can take hours and hours in holiday times).
Then lived in Brisbane for 10 years which I must say i loved. Although if you need to go into the city peak hours is mayhem, and if you want to hit the coast either north to sunshine or south to gold coast on a fri arvo or sat morn or holiday time its Mayhem. Roads are not keeping up with the huge amount of people moving up here. Even though it seems like constant roadworks everywhere.
Now living on gold coast. In a nice area near the theme parks. great playgrounds and bbq areas, beautiful beaches and rivers. But high crime, traffic is crazy, people are rude. very hard to make friends and Ive never had that problem, have friends all over australia. And food, coffee and service is aweful! it really is far a few in between finding good food and service. It is expensive because it is a tourist area. I feel sorry for tourist that visit here as people are rude, slow and terrible food. If you are a foodie then Brissy definately a better option. Brisbane has not got nice beaches but jump in your car and head to sunshine or gold coast with all the others to have a great day at the beach. We were looking where to move to from here. Perhaps north of brissy up anywhere to Bundaberg. or maybe even down vic way. But seeing their ridiculously hot weather and fires brings back to many memories of Canberra and south NSW.
Adelaide was an option but again the weather extremes from so hot hot hot to freezing cold. makes me think Im in the right state, just not the right area. ..Best of luck to all those looking to move to our wonderful country!!!


BobinOz February 17, 2014 at 8:16 pm

Sounds like a vote for Brisbane to me Jacquie and if it is, I couldn’t agree more. I love it here too, wouldn’t swap it for any other city.

Cheers, Bob


Milan February 22, 2014 at 2:45 pm

Hi there,

We’re planning of moving to Australia very soon and have initiated the skilled-migrant PR process some 4 months back and have been big fans of this web-site since our planning days.
About us, we are a small Indian family with 8 yrs young daughter, my wife is a qualified Homoeopathic doctor (& a life-style expert) with flourishing private-practice & a government job since 13+ yrs. & I work as a Deivery Head for an Indian MNC in ICT domain.
I’ve submitted the EOI (visa sub-class 190) against nominated occupation of a CIO (135111) with 65 points, have secured +ve skill-assessment through ACS & IELTS band 8.5, have also applied for state sponsorship to South Australia. Now, waiting for the EOI to get picked-up and will take it further from there.
Adelaide looks to us as a perfect place to see our daughter grow-up and for us to have a peaceful and calm life (we’re not mall hoppers :-), our main concerns are on my wife’s professional future. We would not want to wind-up our well-settled financial standing here and land in Adelaide to end up struggling, getting frustrated & cursing our decision to migrate.
Understand, ICT is an emerging industry & I should be able to land in a decent job once I start job-hunting, but would need your guidance to help us understand what prospects would a qualified & well experienced Homoeopathic doctor have in South Australia, what would be the options for her to utilize her skills & experience once she’s there?
Any and all help shall be truly appreciated.



BobinOz February 24, 2014 at 12:46 pm

Well, this isn’t something I can help you with Milan, I have absolutely no understanding of the homoeopathic industry here in Australia, so I couldn’t possibly give you any advice on how best to utilise her skills and experience here.

Maybe you should see if you can find some kind of homoeopathic governing body here and speak to them.

Good luck, Bob


Glynis Robinson February 24, 2014 at 12:51 pm

Hi Milan, Try this site for answers to your question.


Milan February 24, 2014 at 1:53 pm

Hi Bob & Glynis,

Your kind responses are truly appreciated. Completely understand, the limited info available online for this occupation is not helping much, I’ll take a queue from your directions and take my research further.
Good news :-) got nominated by SA (DMITRE) & the invitation to apply against my EOI this morning, I’ll go ahead with the visa application now.
Adelaide has started to look like our future home & I’ll be glued to this site for any more inputs on SA.
Job-hunting is the next big step & any guidance on how, who & where to approach in SA would be a great help.




Glynis Robinson February 24, 2014 at 2:44 pm

look up to see if there is a trade union or trade association in Australia for your qualifications. They may be able to help with job prospects……… Also make sure you apply for the correct visa……. ask immigration dept.

I hope that these sites help you


Milan February 25, 2014 at 2:27 pm

Sure Glynis, it’ll be a great help.

Much appreciated.



paul October 5, 2014 at 5:54 pm

I have read most of these, and I have traveled most roads between Perth and Sydney and lived in all southern cities. which I would say its like IMO for professional office kind of people like myself

For work Sydney/ Melbourne (if you are chasing $$$ try Canberra for Federal roles)
For eating out : Adelaide (You can not beat SA for food and wine)
Road system ( Melbourne even in peak hours)
Train system (Sydney/Melbourne) Trams (Melbourne)
For Overall livability . 1 Melbourne, 2 Adelaide, 3 Canberra, 4 Sydney, 5 Perth

The issue with all Aussie cities is they are only 2-3KM circular of the CBD and that is about it, then Westfield rules supreme, as does Bunnings and Masters and those drab Homemaker centers on the welcome into towns like Frankston, Each city has a Casino which seems to be the central point to meet at night, which speaking most Australian cities at night turn feral and dangerous.

The mining boom into Australia really did not deliver much to the everyday local except for higher home prices all good but hey that house two streets away has gone up the same amount as the one you are selling, as did rates, food, etc etc, loads of broke cities and towns introduced park parking 7 days a week till 9pm at night, WA introduced paid parking at train stations, $2 a day but hey that adds up especially when stats show that real wage growth in Australia over the past Boom era only went up by 1.2% on average taking into account CPI running at 3-4% over the same time period. Australia isnt the land of milk and honey that the myth trys to make it out to be, we dont all live in a Cafe down at Summer bay, we have to work and for most on average wages its getting harder and harder for most.

There is no utopia but its 2014, house prices and utilities plus food are overall at number 2 in the world behind Norway, the Car industry is going to be gone in 2016, as it Alcoa from Geelong, Kellogs from NSW, Australia doesnt own its own major breweries, It imports most of its petrol as its refineries are closing except 2 one in Perth and NSW all the others are becoming fuel import facilities, Australia doesn’t have a defense industry as such, nor much major manufacturing, Oil and gas are booming but you need loads of experience to get into those fields, the transitioning economy is turning to services however those are proving to be too costly to run here so companies like Qantas, Virgin, Telcos, banks etc etc are using Asian low cost centers instead.

I am not putting you off just dont think Australia is all sunshine that sunshine comes at a cost, and it can be 40 degrees without a cloud in the sky perfect day for a cold beer on the beach right? but wrong you are at work trying to live the Australian dream…..

Enjoy :-)


Glynis Robinson October 5, 2014 at 7:19 pm

Hi Paul, You have got it all down pat….. Australia was a land of milk and honey back in the 60’s when my parents emigrated here…. But unfortunately it has changed very drastically since then. You have described it better than I’ve ever seen on here.


Hilary October 6, 2014 at 7:32 am

I agree Glynis and Paul. I think anyone who goes to Aus has to arrive with their eyes wide open and be prepared to tough it out for as long as it takes. It’s a truly amazing country but not everyone can come over expecting to have the ‘Aussie dream’, that’s just a fantasy peddled by the media and the ‘instant gratification’ mob. As with anything it takes hard graft and the willingness to stick with it. Things are even more difficult now, as I’ve heard, with the downturn beginning to bite. Best to leave the rose-tinted glasses back at home!


BobinOz October 6, 2014 at 3:14 pm

When I talk about life in Australia it is very much by comparison with what my life was like back in the UK. Frankly, I still think I’m living in paradise, what you have to remember is that other countries including the UK have their own problems as well.

By comparison, I still think Australia is a fantastic country.

As for two dollars for parking here, some people back in the UK would bite your hand off to park so cheaply. I just googled the cost of parking at the train station in Billericay where I used to live, and it costs between £5.10 and £10.30 ($9 – $18) per day, you can see the tariff here.



Paul October 6, 2014 at 3:34 pm

Hi Bob,

If you noticed I never compared oz to anywhere else except I just told it as it was here, and if I was going to compare Australia to anywhere it would be the USA not the UK, I will agree that is a lot of coin 50 plus pounds to park for a week, surely you could of taken the bus to the station though?

Australia may be okay to live but its getting constantly harder and harder here.


BobinOz October 6, 2014 at 8:11 pm

Hi Paul

No, I know you didn’t compare Oz to anything, but I do, that’s what I do on this website. Everything is relative, and people considering moving to Australia simply want to know if they are going to be living somewhere that is better than where they have come from.

So comparisons are important.

You are saying you have “told it as it was here” I’m just saying that has to be taken into context. Many of the problems you have mentioned are far worse in other countries including the UK, USA and South Africa, and much of my readership comes from those countries. So I’m just putting it into perspective.

Cheers, Bob


paul October 7, 2014 at 5:47 pm
BobinOz October 8, 2014 at 12:12 am

I had to check the date first, just to make sure it’s not April 1. Nope, it’s not.

Well, they do say that statistics can be made to prove just about anything if you try hard enough.


Ken October 9, 2014 at 7:15 pm

I’m currently living in Adelaide. Great place to bring up my young children. But……. its like a ghost town.. I’m originally from London.. I left London for the quiet life and should have been contempt but like another poster wrote. its hard to break into social circles here. The people we are seeing are other Pom’s and to be fair I want to break the mould and meet Australian friends but it seems they have their own circle and its very formal. also the work situation is a lot harder. the old cliché of its not what you know is very true here… other than that its perfect. once I find my social aspect of the Australian life then I’ll feel a lot better.


BobinOz October 10, 2014 at 9:12 pm

They say be careful what you wish for, you wanted a quieter life, but then you got Adelaide :-) I’ve heard from so many people that there’s really not much going on over there, but I did find it an extremely friendly city when I was there.

I’ve also heard that work is very scarce down that way at the moment.

As for friends, I kind of know what you mean, I came here with the same idea as you but the reality is I do have more English friends than Aussies, sometimes it’s just the way it turns out. I’m pretty sure the social part of Australian life will fall into place for you soon enough.

Cheers, Bob


Arthur October 10, 2014 at 10:37 am

What do you have to say about New Castle?
I heard some diferents things about there, and i have a oportunit to study and live there.


BobinOz October 10, 2014 at 10:22 pm

Well, I’ve only driven through it, never actually stopped to have a look around. That you might be interested in reading this…


Arthur October 11, 2014 at 1:41 am

Tks Bob

The link is very interesting..
Sounds good there, i hope.. hehe
On my way soon


WhiteShark January 10, 2015 at 1:13 am

Hi Bob, I’ll post my comment here since this may be a better section –

Just discovered this website and it’s great, thanks for doing this and keeping up with it.

I’ll keep my story short. My parents moved to Australia from Argentina in 1970 when I was 9 years old, we went back in 1979 when I turned 18 and I’ve never been back ever since. I’m dying to get back even if just for a working vacation or a prolonged vacation and drive around this wonderful country. I’m now 53 have 2 kids 15 and 18 yrs old and have been living in the U.S since 1983 so I couldn’t leave them on a permanent basis cause I would be miserable without my kids in my life. So moving permanently is out of the question. One is already in University and the other is 2 years away so that’s when I’m planing my temporary escape.

I’m a tennis pro and have traveled the world quite a bit as a player and coach. But for the past 3 years I only coach in the afternoon and trade the stock market in the morning and doing quite well. I can do that anywhere in the world except it’d be tough in Australia as it would be anywhere from 12-14 hrs difference from Australia’s east coast to the U.S east coast.

So here’s my question –

Do you think it would be hard to get a working vacation since the employer knows you’d be leaving and there’s no incentive to give you temporary employment. Or, try to trade the market and sustain myself that way until I’m ready to go back to the U.S ? I was thinking of staying in Oz for about 3 months or so….

Oh, and I also have 2 big dogs and a big Macau parrot so that may put a damper on my adventurous plans.

If you or anybody anyone has any ideas as to how to pull this off I’d love to hear it. I’m thinking of driving from Sydney all the way to Cairns and stop along the way, maybe stay a week or so in each place on a moment’s notice. What are my options as far as Visas, where to stay etc….


Glynis Robinson January 10, 2015 at 12:24 pm

Hi White Shark, I personally think that you will need more than 3 months in Australia, even to do justice to your plans of of driving from Sydney to Cairns. It is a long way and there is lots to see just along the coast road, let alone if you planned to divert off any where along the way. It is 2672kms straight through without traffic and tolls allowances. see Your animals will be a problem because they would have to be in quarantine for a long time before coming into Australia. check with this dept. probably best to put them in care at home until you return. As for visa’s go here Hope this helps. at least it is a starting point.


BobinOz January 11, 2015 at 12:31 am

Hi WhiteShark

I agree with Glynis, partly, inasmuch as it is going to be pretty impossible to bring your pets with you, which brings me to your main problem which is the kind of visa you might be able to get.

To really find out what your options are, you would need to speak to a MARA registered migration agent, they are the only ones qualified to give you visa specific advice. From what you’ve told me though about your age and your line of work, I think it’s going to be very difficult for you to get any kind of visa that will allow you to work here.

That may well mean your only option might be a holiday visa which will not allow you to work whilst you are here. On that basis, and this is where I disagree slightly with Glynis (sorry Glynis) I think three months to hike up the east coast from Sydney to Cairns is better than nothing and you will get to see quite a bit. Who knows, maybe you could even get a six month holiday visa.

That’s where a migration agent would come in very useful.

As far as I am aware though, even if you are here on holiday, that doesn’t mean you cannot log on to the Internet and do a trade or two, I’m sure many people connect with their job back home whilst here on holiday and I’m sure there’s nothing wrong with that.

Good luck, Bob


White Shark January 11, 2015 at 2:11 am

Thanks Glynis and Bob for your input. We’re probably going to leave my pets at home, that’s my initial thought now. I just thought of another thing. For us to pull this off we need a car. Can we rent a car for 3 months free of mileage ? Like, pick it up in Sydney and return it in Cairns. Is that possible and how much do you think that will cost ? I really don’t want to have to buy a car and re-sell it after 3 months as that would run me quite a bit more $$$…..


White Shark January 11, 2015 at 2:25 am

Bob, I just noticed my posts time and they’re in East Coast Oz time. I just posted at 11.11 AM here in the east coast of U.S and it showed as 2:11 AM on your blog. The stock market opens at 9:30 AM N.Y time and closes at 4 PM. So if I was in Sydney or anywhere along the east coast of NSW or QLD, I’d start trading at 12:30 AM. Ouch….. that would be very tough indeed. I never placed a trade while falling half asleep, I’m not sure I want to do that…..LOL


monah January 11, 2015 at 10:42 am

hi, about the hire car, you will probably be better off buying on. They are very expensive to hire here and if you drop a car back to a different location it can cost very big $$$. As you have already seen , pets require a long quarantine period in your own country, I think it may be six months of tests for many diseases such as rabies and titre tests, then an expensive quarantine period here of from ten days to a month. Also, it is very difficult to rent here with pets and not many holiday places allow them, and they certainly would not be allowed in a hire vehicle. I wish you all the best with your venture.. xx


BobinOz January 11, 2015 at 10:07 pm

Monah is right, it would be expensive to rent a car for three months so buying one may well work out cheaper. You would need to line up someone to send it to a few weeks or more before you are leaving though, so that’s not ideal either.

Maybe search for ‘long-term car rental’ and see what comes up? Good luck with those midnight trades :-)


White Shark January 12, 2015 at 1:58 am

So it looks like that’s the challenging part of my plan. Something that I initially took for granted like a “car” to drive in…

I’m going to do some research into long term rentals, I’m not sure buying would be the best route but maybe it is. I’d need insurance though and then it might get a bit more complicated and then figure out how quickly I need to sell it before I return.

There must be a way for people who have these type of plans to get it done, I’m just not sure how yet….


BobinOz January 12, 2015 at 6:01 pm

Might be worth you searching for an Australian company called “wicked campers”, I’m sure they do long-term rental, just don’t know how much.


Monah January 12, 2015 at 7:56 pm

noooooo! Wicked Campers are death traps.. sorry, they have a very bad reputation. xxx


BobinOz January 13, 2015 at 8:24 pm

Yes, there was a program about them a year or so ago saying they weren’t maintaining their vehicles properly, but I’ve heard rumours they cleaned up their act since then. I don’t know for sure though, so you right to bring this up Monah.

It would be worth checking the latest information through Google, by that I mean not the articles that are a year or more old. Or check out the other campervan rental companies.


paul January 12, 2015 at 6:05 pm

After spending a lot of last year in England, I must say including a few hot days in Perth, I am content to be back and out of the UK. Australia for all its ills and bad points is so much easier to live in.


BobinOz January 13, 2015 at 8:26 pm

Can’t say I’m surprised Paul, I know where I prefer to live :-)


paul January 12, 2015 at 6:06 pm

For my 2 pence worth, about the title here, I would say :

Adelaide/Melbourne equal of the best cities in Australia to live in.


BobinOz January 13, 2015 at 8:28 pm

I’ll add a pennies worth and say Brisbane.


Glynis Robinson January 13, 2015 at 8:46 pm

Try researching these companies for best price. Google – hire campervan sydney

I live in Western Australia country and i see a lot of Britz campervans pass through here so they must be ok.


David January 16, 2015 at 5:36 pm

Hi everyone I’ve lived in Hobart with my Chinese wife for nearly 27 months after we moved here from living and working in North China. I’m originally from Hobart and grew up here with my family. I’m planning a move up to Cairns because of the climate and for health, and I believe it will have more and more going for it. It’s also a low rental place to live. I’ve stayed there twice and it’s certainly a lovely place. I can’t wait to show my wife. I also think Port Macquarie would be a lovely place. Maroochydore too but not much going for it from talking to a local. Hobart is lovely as is theTasmania State but it gets cold often and very windy down here. Windy at nearly anytime of the year these days.


BobinOz January 21, 2015 at 2:36 pm

I’ve not yet been to Cairns, but there’s a lot of talk about it on my page about Queensland, most of it positive. Worth a read of those comments if you want to find out more.

Good luck with your move, cheers, Bob


Ron January 24, 2015 at 6:50 pm

I have to say, interesting site, very informative…

The kind of life I am living would definatly not be applicable to the majority of people, however if you / and your partner ( with kids would be awkward) ever find yourself with a legitimate medical condition applicable to get the Disability Support Pension and your ok with not being overly materialistic or very wealthy ( however a single person alone on DSP that does not smoke, drink, a gambler and budget minded, you should have no issue saving $10k a year) living the kind of life I am living, be that is out of the most appropriate camper ( I don’t think you could go past a Toyota Hiace Commutor, for the budget minded person/s, from a starting point of $5k and up you should be able to get something like the above mentioned for starters, the idea is then if you choose this life for the longer term, possible until you can no longer drive, depending the age you start, you could very well have enough money saved to be able to buy into a decent retirement home when the time comes..

As for myself, am not exactly doing as I should atm budgeting wise, however, I know for a personal fact it can be, being able to save…

Depending on where you would like to travel, it is very realistically possible you could end up traveling this Great country of our if it is that so you desire, at this point in time and possible the foreseeable future, this is not a goal for me, what I am doing, is traveling to and living in the most appropriate closest climate range, I was originally from Wauchope NSW, born and bred, now am finally living the ultimate dream, the best closest place for me in the summer seems to be the New England area ( Armidale ) from there I will head to most likely Hervy Bay, or possible somewhere slightly South for the winters…

Sorry for the rant, just thought I’d through something out there from a different perspective of living…

P.S. I am not so confidant there will be many Aussie Female DSP ers 54 an under reading this site ( I’m 46 ) however if there is and you could possible entertain the idea of this lifestyle, I’d luv to here from you, one very important point to consider, this lifestyle is not for the faint hearted, getting food, water, shade is not a problem, however showers and toilets are not always 24/ 7 like you would have living in your own unit or house!



BobinOz January 27, 2015 at 4:39 pm

Thanks for letting us know about your lifestyle Ron, sounds like you’re having fun. Hopefully you will find a female Aussie DSP er to join you at some point to make it more fun.

What you are doing appears to be a slightly different version of the ‘grey nomads’ that we have; that’s the retired who are having similar fun driving around this great country. I intend to be a grey nomad myself at some point – but hopefully with black hair.

Maybe I will see you on the road in about 10 years time :-)

Cheers, Bob


Ron January 29, 2015 at 1:28 am


It’s not a bad lifestyle for one whom is on the Newstart, DSP or retired on the Aged Pension ( Aka; Grey Nomad) and does have a license to drive, however i do believe there is a few critical things one must do if you are; other wise it can get a tad depressing if your doing it long term and not meeting the criteria!

1. The min ideal rig should be no smaller then a SLWB Hiace Commutor or if you have a Better bank bal, the go for something the size of a Merc Sprinter, you will thank Me, lol, (bigger then this is even more comfort, but you have to be able to park it) with a decent set up for a kitchen, toilets an showers can be gotten in any town really, even if you have to pay, but if your budget is tight, go for the latest model LWB under 300K Klm n and in as best cond as you can buy as to what you can afford until one can upgrade ASAP! Preffarably a low Klm Deisal version would probably be a better choice over the petrol, however though, they are usually dearer to repair/ replace if you have too!

2. Being able to save a min amount of $250 a fortnight for your replacement vehicle /. Repair until you have a vehicle of a value or age that will see your desired lifespan or potential breakdowns, one on the DSP or Aged Pension should be able to do this if indeed one cooks for one self and moreso does not drink, smoke or gamble or live extravantly ! For these types of vehicles, one can mostly expect a vehicle depreciation value of around $1K a year! For eg; a $10 K Toyota Hiace Commutor should have an estimated lifespan of around 10 years, definatly cheaper then paying rent on a unit or house!

3. Myself, I have found having my own Smart Phone, Ipad an wireless WiFi is an essential part of this lifestyle, a laptop is also good, however, they are bulky and not as portable and can be a drain on the battery, also having these accessories you will be required to charge them, however as you are required mostly to drive daily, this will keep them all charged!

4. When buying a Smart phone, ideally one that is water resistant like the current 2015 Samsung S5 is a top choice (and also will cost you a bucket to buy ) because there will be potential time when You end up spilling liquid!, I have S4 and. It has gotten wet a few time and cost me considerable money to fix each time!

5. When buying a IPad, I have found Apples IPad Air to be really good ( is supposed to be The Mcoy of Ipads), preferable get the biggest Gig type with cellular capabilities, the as if your phone does indeed die, at least you can still make phone calls, just pop in your SIM card or use Skype! The current 2015 version is the Apple a IPad Air 2!

6. Phone credit depends on your usage, if you only going to make very few call a month, in 2015, the Pay As You Go deal from Yatango, i think it’s called, a call rate of like 0.11 cents a min, I doubt you will find cheaper! In 2015, if you are a heavy user, I don’t think you can beat Telstras Boost $40 unlimited credit deal, it’s about the only one that is actually unlimited for that price in 2015!

7. Internet; the cheapest Internet for on the Rd will be a portable 3G/4G Wifi dongle, you should be able to get a good dongle for around $50, also avoid paying for them on a plan as you possible will pay extra, and may also have to be locked into a contract, currently as of 2015, the best data deal I think is with Virgin for $40 / 12 Gigs of data, however there are cheaper deals, depends on your usage, whatever you do, don’t get the SIM card data version for the IPad or you Will pay More then you need to!

8. Apps, there are millions, however the most critical one to have for this lifestyle is Wiki Camps for under $8

9. Climate, if indeed you are going to live this lifstyle, unless you are tough and or crazy, you need to be in the Ideal climate zone, for me, I have found Armidale ( New England NSW) in the summers to be awsome, however there is potential for a fair share of wet times with hail, certainly no shortage of greenery up here then! I have found the Mid North Coastal areas of NSW or anywhere further north to be far to humid, for the winters, Hervey Bay Qld or slightly South is ideal too!

10. If there is anything I have missed, please let us know!



monah January 29, 2015 at 6:44 am

apologies in advance,… Bob.
I’m sorry, I find your posts quite offensive Ron although I know they are well meaning. Old aged pensioners aside, I do not find anything uplifting about those who are in benefits holidaying around the country. I work long hours and earn less than my friend who is on a disability pension. However she does many good works in the community, cares for other people and Animals and manages very well in a small country town.

my last break was in March 2012. I and many others have worked very hard to put food on the table. I’m not whining about it, i wouldn’t have it any other way. I’ve had seven day a week businesses, brought up children, cared for cancer stricken parents, done loads of volunteer work as a counsellor, so I do know how tough it is out there for a large percentage of the population.
If you are able to drive long distances and look after yourself, maybe you could drive those less fortunate to medical appointments or help with feeding the homeless or a million other things.
none in my family has ever been on any benefit of any sort, all have worked, often two jobs, or away from home and I was back out there wh en my first child was five weeks old.
I know there are few jobs and if I were injured tomorrow I could very well end up on benefits,. That is what they are for, not for a permanent holiday until you can receive the pension at 67 and then carry on holidaying. You say you are able to SAVE! on disability. Well. I cannot save a thing, it goes on fuel for work, food for pets, rates, insurances, TAXES! medical bills and not long ago, children’s education.
You have a phone and wifi, and I wouldn’t be surprised if you can afford cigarettes, alcohol, take away food etc. Some of us cannot and a day off is a treat, or when we catch up on sleep.
It’s great for you that you can enjoy your lifestyle at the expense of others, maybe you could think about giving back to the community.
There are loads of women who would love to do what you are doing, I. sure someone will come along, I imagine at times it can be very lonely.


Ron January 29, 2015 at 1:40 pm


My post is offensive??

Obviously you are somewhat Ignorant about the purpose of the DSP pension, it seems you think I gave the DSP to myself….lol

It’s kinda funny you stating that you get “LESS” then what your “FRIEND” does on DSP, yet I could only presume you spend more then $17.50 a week on FUEL, yet you can afford to have PETS and all the associated expenses with having PETS! RATES, INSURANCES, MEDICAL BILLS, CHIrLDRENS EDUCATION…

I’d sincerly like to know as to how you can afford all the above on less then what I get?

All I know is I cannot afford the above mentioned things you have stated, except for my budgeted amount of fuel, and mandatory Greenslip. Of my Vehicle!

Somehow me thinks your telling me PORKYS!

I would luv to know your DEFiNITION of a Holiday…lol

Sorry my bad, you can blame the Gov for that, no one told me I could not live the life I CHOOSE on DSP!

I would sincerly luv to see the type of CAR you drive and the HOUSE you live in on less then what people on DSP get, not to mention your OTHER Deemed exspenes!!

You claim I’m not giving back??? I’d luv to know how you calculate that one??

sorry my bad, I forgot to mention I bought a 2 x $300,000 ideal pads and that I drive a $160,000 luxury camper to travel between my luxury units for my HOLIDAYS all within 10 years of being on DSP, not to mention the hundreds of overseas trips within that time too!!! Seems to me, you have the WRONG job if you cannot afford the luxurys I have!!!!

All I can say is Monah, what ever you do in life, just make sure you don’t end up on DSP yourself and enjoying my luxurious lifestyle too, because KARMA is a bitch, if we ever find out you are, you will be BAGGED like crap, for your Hypocrisy, like your bagging me!!

Just some food for thought!
Aka, The President of the Planet


BobinOz January 29, 2015 at 7:28 pm

Monah, Ron’s comments are not offensive, generally speaking, although you seem to find them so. That’s up to you, but I’m not really sure that you really can judge Ron from where you are, you don’t know him well enough. You say he’s not giving back to the community, he has spent a good deal of his time putting together all this information here, that’s giving back in a way.

If he is prepared to give his time for no reward here, you have no idea how helpful Ron might be on his travels to other people he meets along his journey.

Ron, I think the information you’ve given here is excellent and will help many people who want to choose this lifestyle, including some of those grey nomads we’ve already mentioned. You’ve given some great tips, very helpful. I just wanted to ask if that Virgin Mobile has good coverage? Nothing worse than paying for mobile Internet and then not been able to get a signal anywhere. So, what do you think of their coverage?

As for both of you, you’ve each had your say, this is one of those situations where you are going to have to agree to disagree, but please end it here, this is not the place for an argument of this nature.

Thanks to you both, Bob


Ron January 29, 2015 at 9:24 pm


I also must inform you, am not sure as to what Network Virgin uses, however me thinks there signal will be fine as with any other competitor, most Importantly though, if one Is going to a Wifi Dongle device, make sure it’s the latest 3G/4G compatible.

The Pesident of the Planet


BobinOz January 30, 2015 at 9:40 pm

Whilst I appreciate everybody’s participation here, I have removed three comments from this conversation because they are simply off topic. I like to keep comments relevant to the post, so if we can continue to talk about the best city in Australia to live in, that would be great.

Many thanks, Bob


Tessa April 18, 2015 at 1:17 pm

Hi there!!

I am on a working holiday visa here in Oz, currently in Darwin and looking forward to my trip down the West Coast!! I ended up booking with a tour company since I don’t have my own car here and the bus system for that part of the country was just unreal.

Once I’m down around Perth, though, I have about 2 weeks and am hoping to see some really cool stuff – Esperance, Valley of the Giants, Margaret River, Rottnest Island, and any other suggestions people may give on here.

I am glad I found this website, as it’s full of really useful information!! I think I saw Bob mention multiple times he hasn’t been to Perth (but I didn’t read all the comments, so maybe he’s been since) but if anyone has any advice on where the must-sees are while down there and, more importantly, the best way to get around, I would be forever grateful to you all.



Tessa April 18, 2015 at 1:20 pm

Oops, I just saw your comment about wanting to keep things on topic. I guess in the middle of reading through all the comments I started to get caught up and forgot what the original post was specifically about. I looked for a place to delete my comment but didn’t see one. Sorry!

In terms of the original topic, I’m really looking forward to seeing Brisbane, Melbourne, and Adelaide for myself! I like Darwin more than a lot of the people who’ve commented on this post, but it is very hot and I could never live here for more than 3 months.

Sorry again!


BobinOz April 18, 2015 at 9:14 pm

No worries Tessa, you’re talking about Australian places, that’s on subject. By coincidence, I’m in WA now, did Perth last week, I’m in Margaret River now. Having a great time. You are already cramming a lot in to two weeks, but if you can, add Monkey Mia to your list.

I’ve not been myself, but I’ve heard it’s good. When you’re in Perth, try to pop down to Fremantle for the day, it’s only 30 minutes by train, well worth a look.

Have fun, Bob


Tessa April 19, 2015 at 12:10 pm

Thanks so much!!

My tour will actually be going to Monkey Mia, as well as Shell Beach and Shark Bay, so I’m very excited, even though we won’t have that much time in each place (that’s what you get for doing an organized tour!).

So I just need to focus on south of Perth (And a bit toward the middle) for those two weeks. I’ll definitely try to get down to Fremantle :) thanks! I’ve emailed the TransWA people so hopefully they can help me figure out the bus system and how to best get around.

I’m hoping it will be a really fun trip!

Since you’re currently in Margaret River, is there a lot more to do there than just wineries? Or is it mostly just wineries? haha. Thanks!


BobinOz April 19, 2015 at 9:00 pm

Glad that Glynis and I were able to help. Buses and trains really easy in Perth, some are free! Train to Fremantle was just $11.80 return for me, Mrs Bob and Elizabeth.

MR is a lovely region, but it is mainly wineries, lots of beach, surfing, but with lots of other touristy things to do. It’s definitely not the place to go for nightlife or clubbing though :-)


Hilary April 19, 2015 at 11:54 pm

Hi Tessa, if you get the chance on your tour you can go swimming with whalesharks at Exmouth. There is a charge as it’s out in the ocean with wild creatures but well worth it. Are you going to Karijini National Park by any chance? It’s in the Pilbara and full of spectacular gorges, you can climb down and swim in natural pools, some gorges are tough going but they’re all graded so you can pick the easier ones.

At the other end of the scale there’s beautiful Rottnest Island just off the coast from Fremantle, ferries go from there daily and easy train ride to Freo from Perth, as Bob has said. No cars allowed over there but you can hire a bike and ride round the island. Has a dark past but putting that aside the beaches and island itself are really special. There are many shipwrecks lying beneath the sea between Freo and Rottnest and the Shipwreck Museum in Freo is worth a visit, very poignant.

Pinnacle Tours do coach trips from Perth out east to Wave Rock and also down south to the Treetop Walk and the Southern Ocean. All very good. Have fun!


Tessa April 20, 2015 at 12:43 am

Thanks so much Hilary!!

Swimming with whale sharks is something that’s been top of my bucket list for probably like 10 years now (and I’m only 23 – that’s almost half my life!) So I’m all over that. It was probably the activity I was most excited about for literally my entire year long stay in Australia 😀 I’m very excited for it.

I’ll be in Karijini National Park for 2 nights I think. I’m doing the coral coast with a tour, so I’m letting them decide which hikes were doing – hopefully they’ll choose wisely!

I’ll definitely put the Shipwreck Museum on my list! That sounds cool. Are there any you can snorkel around? Maybe near Rottnest Island? I hear they have quokkas in the wild there. :)

I’ll definitely look into Pinnacle tours, but they might not be running first week of June, when I’ll be in the South West area – most tours I’ve noticed shut by then for “winter.”

Thanks for all your information!!


BobinOz April 20, 2015 at 12:45 am

Just pointing out that Freo = Fremantle. Mrs Bob thought it was some kind of frozen yogurt for a while, until we worked it out :-)


Hilary April 21, 2015 at 12:21 am

Ha ha sorry Bob, so easy to get into the lingo isn’t it. Just add ‘o’ to the end of everything!!


BobinOz April 22, 2015 at 5:06 pm
Glynis Robinson April 18, 2015 at 9:28 pm

Hi Bob,
I’ve been to Monkey Mia, I found that it was a very long drive out to there hoping to get to feed the dolphins. But they only picked a small number of people and it was not all that it was cracked up to be. However I did like the shell beach and the Stromatolites of Shark Bay
Well worth to see them. Bunbury also has feed the dolphins and next time I’ll go there. Not so far to drive from Perth.


BobinOz April 19, 2015 at 2:23 am

I know what you mean Glynis, but I thought as Tessa was driving past, it might be worth a look. I thought Monkey Mia was more than just feed the dolphins, but as I said, I’ve never been.

Funnily enough, we stayed in Bunbury the other night and my wife looked at that discovery place, you can swim with the dolphins in their natural environment. No guarantee you’ll get close to a dolphin though, that’s down to them, so at $149 each, so $447 for my little family, we gave it a miss.

I was particularly put off by the 7.30 am start; who goes swimming at that time in the morning apart from Jacques Cousteau?

Good tips though Glynis, Tessa will surely find them helpful.

Thanks, Bob


Glynis Robinson April 21, 2015 at 5:01 pm

Hi Bob,
was browsing and came across this trip that someone did. There are a lot of interesting WA places listed.


BobinOz April 22, 2015 at 5:59 pm

Some great pictures, I didn’t want to look too much though, I plan to cover it all myself in one great big road trip around all of Australia and I don’t want to spoil the surprise. :-)

One day, just waiting for the right time.


Glynis Robinson April 19, 2015 at 10:57 am

Hi bob,
Did not know about the Bunbury rip off charge just to swim with dolphins in their natural environment….There is not much at Denham and Monkey Mia. It is a nice family holiday place especially for young kids, lovely beaches. At Monkey Mia you can see the dolphins being fed if you don’t get picked to feed them. But maybe they charge as well, I don’t know…. But I reckon if you walk a fair way up the beach where they feed the dolphins you might be able to wade into the water and they just might come to you. again that’s a maybe. Unless the resort there also has a monopoly there.


BobinOz April 19, 2015 at 8:48 pm

Yes, seemed a lot of money to me too, especially for something that ‘could’ happen at anytime to anyone swimming anywhere in Australia. I was in Augusta yesterday and a couple of dolphins were swimming just about 50 metres from me, if I’d have had my togs on, maybe…


Hilary April 20, 2015 at 12:05 am

Glynis, I don’t think there’s a charge for watching the dolphins come in at Monkey Mia. But I was there a few years ago and maybe that’s changed now. They are wild dolphins and care is taken not to frighten them or have too many people giving them fish. I think Monkey Mia is a purpose-built resort designed to attract tourists with the lure of wild dolphins so you’re right there is nothing much else there. Well apart from magnificent white beaches and blue sea. The Pinnacle Desert is strangely beautiful and worth a visit on the way back to Perth.


Terry Baccus June 7, 2015 at 1:51 pm

I was surprised to read about Adelaide. I lived there for about 7 years, I found it “testing” summer – you boil, winter – you freeze, spring – stinging/severe hayfever (even if you don’t get it, you will) due to the huge wheat belt, leaving autumn which is ok.


BobinOz June 8, 2015 at 8:06 pm

I suspect that the things that irritated you about Adelaide did not form part of the 17 key attributes :-)


Alison June 28, 2015 at 10:25 am

Any discussion in Oz relating to fresh water sources and projections in determining livability of cities in the coming decades? I’m trying to figure out the best location for not-too-hot summers and continued good water availability. My family is mostly around Sydney, I like northern NSW coast, but seems to me that many coastal NSW, QLD, NT, WA areas and inland will lack water – high water prices and restricted lifestyle…


paul June 28, 2015 at 10:32 am

If they listened to people whom know about resources they would dam or catch the fresh water that leaves the Ord River scheme and goes into the ocean, 3 times the size of Sydney Harbor of Fresh water yes fresh water ends up in the ocean every day, now if WA could pipe that south and then onwards to the east there could be life all over Australia like America, but this is the clever country, If they did that it would create jobs to create the infrastructure and the running of the pipeline and catchment areas, However our leaders want us to keep paying more and more for water. Seriously what nation allows that kind of water to become salty especially a nation as dry as this one.


Glynis Robinson June 28, 2015 at 1:24 pm

Hi Alison, The east coast has good rainfall and with the high mountain ridge called Great Diving Range there will always be plenty of fresh water. WA is the dryest state, and yes what Paul said below is correct about our State Government will not put in a pipeline to funnel the fresh water down from the Ord. Our State Government would rather rack up billions in debt building icons to his memory in Perth City. Personally if I was you, I would find a nice place in NSW either North or central coastal area’s. Brisbane hinterland is also very nice.


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