Required for reading this post: maths level 2 or above.
I have written about house prices before, but then the other day I saw an interesting article on Yahoo news which I wanted to copy and paste onto my blog and claim as my own. Two things prevented me from doing this.
- Firstly, apparently it is illegal.
- Secondly, it was too professionally written for this blog.
So instead, I need to mash it up and tell it to you in my own words. So here goes.
The article asked “Is the Australian dream dead?” in reference to owning your own home. It discusses the cost of housing and looks at the affordability of it for existing homeowners and for the first time buyer getting onto the housing ladder here in Australia.
Now I can only talk about my experiences in my previous country, England, so I don’t know how this might compare with where you live. But the article was trying to make the point that it is now ridiculously hard for single income buyers. Let’s take a look.
Firstly, existing homeowners.
These were the median house prices across Australia’s five biggest cities rounded to the nearest grand……
- Sydney: $577,000
- Melbourne: $492,000
- Perth: $475,000
- Brisbane: $452,000
- Adelaide: $379,000
Average annual earnings across the same five cities ranged from $65,000 a year in Perth down to $54,000 a year in Adelaide. The mortgage repayments appear to have been calculated at a cost of around $6.40 per $1000, 5.90%. As a 10% deposit had been assumed, the mortgage repayments ranged between $3,317 (Sydney) and $2,180 (Adelaide) per month.
They then talked about “Average total earnings needed to avoid mortgage stress.” According to their sources for this, mortgage stress is assumed to take place when your mortgage repayment exceeds 35% of your income. From here they could simply calculate how much you needed to earn a year to avoid that stress and therefore how many people would need to work (based on average annual salaries) to cover that mortgage.
The bottom line was that you would need 1.4 times one person’s salary to live in Perth or Adelaide, 1.5 for Brisbane, 1.7 for Melbourne and 1.8 times one person’s income to live in Sydney.
Let’s translate that to English. And England. Take the average weekly income. According to government statistics for 2008, men earn around £28,000 a year and women earn around £22,000. That’s nice and easy, so £50,000 between the two of them.
Using the same criteria, which is we do not want them to be paying more than 35% of their income on a mortgage and they have to put in 10% deposit, I calculate (at 5.90% interest, 25 year mortgage) they can afford to buy a house worth £250,947.
Now I may be a little out of touch, but I don’t think you’d buy much of a property in any of the equivalent places in England for that. But this is where it gets kind of murky. What is equivalent to these 5 top Australian glorious golden sandy beached seaside cities? Is it London, Birmingham, Leeds, Glasgow and Sheffield? They are the most populated. Or is it London, Oxford, St Albans, Brighton and Bath. They are probably the most expensive.
If you could buy a house in any of those places for £250,947, it probably wouldn’t be a four bed detached with double garage, as many of these are, with the possible exception of Sydney. Note also that to buy that house for £250,947 I have automatically assumed that two people will be paying for it. Not 1.4, not 1.5, not even 1.7 or 1.8 people, but a whole 2.0 people.
But what about first time buyers?
For first-time buyers it was assumed they would try to purchase their first property outside of the major cities. Here were the median prices for each of the five main states which seem to assume that nobody wants to live in Northern Territory or Tasmania.
- New South Wales: $331,000
- Western Australia: $330,000
- Queensland: $320,000
- Victoria: $291,000
- South Australia: $279,000
To avoid mortgage stress as defined above, all the above states required exactly 1.0 people’s incomes to pay off the mortgage apart from Queensland which required 1.1.
If I am not mistaken, for a first time buyer to purchase a property in England on their own AND avoid mortgage stress you would need to win big time on the lottery.
So I would suggest that if the Australian dream is dead, the English dream was buried years ago. Those Aussies, they don’t know when they’ve got it so good!
Confused? Me too. So here’s a conclusion: On the basis that first time buyers can still get on the property ladder here whilst earning “average” incomes; On the basis that whatever you do buy here is much bigger than the usual UK abode; On the basis that housing here up north (Northern territory was not looked at in those figures) is much cheaper here, just like in the UK; I still say…..
….for house prices, UK vs Australia, it’s got to be another victory for Oz.
For a more professional and thorough explanation of what you have seen here please go to the Yahoo article.
Update:
I have revised my comparison to take into account property price fluctuations and the GBP v AUD exchange rates. You can read the new post by visiting…..
The Cost of Living in Australia: House Prices Revised
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{ 17 comments… read them below or add one }
Hi Bob, great read! My brain is a bit numb though. I was looking at the First Home Owner Grant (FHOG) scheme at http://www.firsthome.gov.au/ and although i’m not sure how it all works yet or if we qualify… it seems interesting.
Lovely house in the pic. Who’s is it? Did you ever sell your first house?… i can’t remember now. I remember you doing some house hunting at some point.
Carolyn, yes, I think I got a headache writing it.
I have not heard of the FHOG but the government are currently running some incentives for first time home buyers here (about $20,000 I think) in Australia. I’m not sure how it works or how much longer it will last.
I have no idea who’s house that is, I just pulled up at the side of the road and took the snap. It’s not far from where I live.
We did go househunting but have decided to stay where we are for at least the next five years. We are really happy where we are.
Cheers
Bob
Hi Bob,
I just want to thank you for the information you have provided on your site.
I have really enjoyed the read, more so, as I’m migrating to Aus 2010 I would do it sooner but houses are not selling that easy at the moment.
I hope the exchange rate changes soon, I’m hoping for the norm as you put it 2.5.
Thanks again,
Ray
I’ve lived in south australia all my life. I would just give a word or two to caution you abouy property.
australia can be an excellent place to invest as property is some what of a national obsession here. Just be careful to buy the right place first. Change over costs ie: real estate fees, stampy duty and other moving costs can bite into your home equity very quickly if for example you decided to move and sell every 1-2 years as i have seen people do in the past. The longer you keep a place for the more capital investment it will give you, and, any change over costs, long term will represent a smaller proportion of your investment. Some stamp duty costs now are significant, so choose very wisely.
Hi Ray
Thanks for the kind words and congratulations, it sounds like you are on your way over. As for the pound, it must be heartbreaking watching that fall. I hope things perk up in the housing market soon and the pound recovers a bit. But the most important thing is to just get out here and start living the dream.
Cheers
Bob
Hi Luke
You’re absolutely right, Australia is a good place to invest in property. If I’m not mistaken, I don’t believe they have ever had a property price crash. Back in the UK, we have had a couple of major price crashes where houses fell by 30 to 40%. Ouch!
But the UK also suffers from stamp duty, exorbitant estate agent fees and removal fees. We bought our house in Queensland (lowest stamp duty rates in all of Australia) and it seemed to us that the fees were very similar to what we would have paid in England. But I’ve just done a quick search and it seems stamp duty is different in each state of Australia. And South Australia is the second most expensive for stamp duty behind Victoria. Over 4% on a house costing more than $600,000, is that right?
So you have a very valid point, thanks for raising this.
cheers
Bob
A few points need to be mentioned here I think if you’re going to have a fair comparison.
1. Why would anybody in the UK ne paying 5.9% interest on theory mortgage? I’ve just remortgaged at base rate + 1.89%, interest rates would have to go up by 3.5% before I was paying that much.
2. Are those average income figures comparing like with like? Are they mean or median figures, full time only or all jobs including part time?
3. Even if they are correct, that figure of £250k will get you a nice house in a good neighbourhood in most parts of the UK, the median house price here is £165k which at current exchange rates is some 40% lower than the Aussie median of A$500k.
4. If you assume that first time buyers buy outside the state capitals then their potential incomes also fall. While most smaller towns in the UK are commutable to major employment centres, greater distances down under mean that isn’t the case so often in oz.
5. ‘up north’ in the two countries isn’t really the same thing, in the UK it id half the population, NT in oz is home to fewer people than a smallish provincial town in the UK.
Hi Bob,
The last time I left you a message was to thank you for the info on your site and to let you know I was on my way to Aus in 2010. Well as you would know changes were made by Ausy gov in September last year. It could now take three years to get the subclass visa processed; I can’t tell you how frustrating it is we had the house on the market and boxes were being packed. I can see why this change was needed your Government is just looking after its own; I reckon that is why I really want to be living over there.
The house is still on the market but the boxes are unpacked.
I will see you soon mate,
Ray
Hi MJ
Thanks for your quite comprehensive assessment of this post. Always good to hear other peoples views.
Going through your points….
1) Interest rates do vary, of course, and you only need to go back to August 2008 to see 5% interest in the UK. If you were to average out UK interest rates over the last 20 years, I’m sure you’ll find it is much nearer to 5.9% than 1.9%.
2) Those figures are Mean annual earnings for full-time workers.
3) House prices in the UK have fallen quite substantially, perhaps even since I wrote this article, so that will affect what is said here. But the biggest effect has been the dramatic fall of the pound which has fallen by around 20% against the Australian dollar in the last year alone and probably 10% since I wrote this article.
4) Yes, point taken. But Aussies can still find local work in these smaller towns and some are prepared to do a longer commute.
5) if I remember correctly, the price of houses up north in Australia were not taken into account. I was just making a remark, but interestingly I have recently heard that houses in Darwin are actually quite expensive. Not sure how true that is so. But I will find out.
I have to say though, since the rapid decline of the pound, some of my cost of living comparison posts have become increasingly out of date. After all, a 20% swing in currency values is always going to have an effect.
But I will say this: Right now, in Brisbane, just 30 minutes drive from the city centre, you can still buy a four-bedroom detached house, with double garage, two bathrooms and a swimming pool for $450,000. That’s around £255,000 at today’s exchange rate.
I may be out of touch with England’s prices but my guess is you’d be hard pressed to find better value close to a major city back in England.
If you also take into account the average salaries here in Australia are much higher than they are in England, then for those who live and work here buying a house would appear to be easier done in Australia and is in the UK.
And it’s sunny!
Cheers
Bob
Hi Ray
That is a nightmare! I feel for you.
I assume you are talking about when the government removed quite a few jobs from the skilled list because of the economic downturn? I know a lot of trades have gone quiet here so the government acted to try and protect our workers.
But whatever the reason, you must be gutted.
I don’t know where you wanted to move to, but I did read somewhere the other day that over in western Australia they were already struggling to find workers in certain skills because WA is apparently the state leading the way in Australia in terms of growth.
Because of this, they were hoping to get the government to agree to some exceptions so they can import certain skills. Not sure what you do for a living, but it may be worth looking into this.
Even if you didn’t want to move to WA, I’m sure you could cope with hanging around there for awhile until you get the freedom to move to other states.
Good luck.
Bob
Hi bob, hope you’re enjoying the sun.
I got that average figure from the annual survey of hours and earnings 2009.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloads/theme_labour/ASHE-2009/2009_all_employees.pdf
Just click on the ‘annual gross’ link and select the ‘full time’ tab, it gives both mean and median figures.
You can get some very decent properties for around £250k, this 5 bed in a nice peak district town just 30 mins from Manchester city centre is £265k but I’m sure you could knock them down a bit!
Click here to see the house in Manchester
No pool, but then a pool is more hassle than it’s worth in this climate!
Lol, sorry about the superlong url!
What superlong URL? I didn’t notice. hehehe (sorry – I fixed it)
Firstly, I’ve answered your reply about average annual salaries in the UK over at the post about UK and Australian salaries compared. Just trying to keep things tidy here!
As for that house in Manchester, it looks lovely. I’m sure it will sell very easily (already STC). But I would much rather live 30 minutes from Brisbane than 30 minutes from Manchester. And for the same money, I can get this…….
Click here to see the Brisbane house.
It’s about the same money, ($485,000) but it is on 2595 m² of land. Check out the back garden on your Manchester place, picture 13. What is it? 60′ x 45′? With the best will in the world, the property is on no more than 400 m². Less than one sixth the size of the Aussie place.
I know which I’d rather buy.
Hi, yeah that house looks nice, the huge garden would drive me crazy though I think! I’m more the type of guy who’d prefer a nice small manageable one and go down the park or out into the country if I feel the urge to run around.
If you prefer Brisbane then obviously you’d go for that one, personally I’ve got a lot of time for Manchester, it’s probably my favourite of the big UK cities, London is good of course but prices there are pretty much double anywhere else.
I only ever went to Manchester a couple of times, so I don’t really know it that well. But, not sure if you saw it, I have written a post comparing Manchester to Queensland, sort of.
You may want to check it out.
You can click to the post here, it’s called Australian Music Scene: Queensland vs Manchester
Australia has a population density of 2,8 people per square kilometer and the uk 255 people /km2,so the available land per each australian is 91 times more than in the uk…so i suppose land in australia should be a lot cheaper…
Shame our land here isn’t 91 times cheaper! That’d be nice. Your population figures are one of the reasons we moved here. Check out my post on interesting facts about Australia