Periodontal Treatment in Australia

Sometimes I think I give you more personal information about myself than I really should. For example…

Today I trump all of that, because today we are going to take a close look inside my big mouth.

big mouth

Gum trouble in the UK

I come from a long line of long toothed short gummed people, a condition commonly described by dentists as gum disease. I know that’s probably more information than you would like to know about the inside my mouth, but how else do I explain receiving a comprehensive quote for periodontal treatment here in Australia?

I’m no stranger to deep cleaning of my teeth, I did have it done in the UK around eight years ago. Even then I remember feeling a little bit miffed by the process:

  • Go to dentist regularly for checkups and dental cleaning
  • Dentist confirms teeth are okay after each treatment
  • Suddenly, after many years, dentist says teeth are not okay
  • Dentist refers me to periodontist
  • Periodontist recommends a treatment program after consultation
  • Periodontist performs recommended treatment

Kerching! £600 please!

“Next!”

Well, yes, next came the follow-up consultation in which the periodontist recommended more treatment for even more money. “Not for me thanks.” I said and then moved to Australia.

What happened in Australia?

Of course, on arrival here I set myself up with a dentist and continued my regular visits; you can read about my second ever visit in my post Going to the Dentist in Australia.

It’s been a few years now so how has my dentistry worked out here in Australia? Like this…

  • Go to dentist regularly for checkups and dental cleaning
  • Dentist confirms teeth are okay after each treatment
  • Suddenly, after 3 years, dentist says teeth are not okay
  • Dentist refers me to periodontist
  • Periodontist recommends a treatment program after consultation
  • Periodontist gives written quote for recommended treatment

Kerching! Kerching!

Are you ready for this?

The quote was…

$3,760.

What do I get for this? Well…

  • I get to spend six hours in the periodontist’s chair in two easy bite-size three hour sessions
  • I get to lose tooth number 26 immediately; it’s one of my favourite teeth and I’ve grown quite attached to it over the years
  • I get virtually no assistance from my private health fund or Medicare for this treatment; my maximum cover on my plan is $450 rebate a year
  • I get a bottle of chlorhexadine gluconate to gargle with twice a day
  • And a bottle of fluoride rinse to gargle with once-a-day
  • I get lessons in how to brush my teeth
  • I get to take a drug for five days during treatment which, if mixed with alcohol, would be similar to stepping in front of a high-speed train
  • I also get a colour brochure with images of unhealthy gums

After explaining all this to me, my periodontist advised me that if I was quick I could book my first three-hour session for the following Monday as he had a window of opportunity in which he could fit me. He asked me if I would like to do that.

Not for me thanks.” I said

There’s more.

Just like back in the UK, I would also need regular reassessment visits and maintenance treatments. My suggested maintenance treatment was likely to be three monthly at a cost of $327 per visit.

That’s over $1300 per year, about the price of Foxtel’s Platinum Digital TV Package.

Foxtel has given me infinitely more pleasure than I envisage I’d get from my periodontist; Premier League Football, Dexter, Breaking Bad, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Desperate Housewives (for Mrs Bobinoz), Homeland, more movies than you can shake a stick at and, of course, all of the children’s channels for Elizabeth.

I know I’m not comparing like for like here, but give me Foxtel any day.

My action plan:

It’s been five weeks now since I had my initial consultation (@ $180) and I’ve not made an appointment to get the work done even though the periodontist said my treatment was urgent. I have concerns about the treatment suggested that go beyond the huge amount of money requested.

Tooth number 26 is actually still very solidly sitting between, I assume, numbers 25 and 27; it doesn’t wobble at all. So to pay such a sum to lose it so quickly doesn’t seem right. Surely, for that kind of money, the guy should be trying to save it?

The follow-ups seem a bit excessive too. My regular dentist wants to see me every six months, so if this periodontist also wants three monthly visits, I’ll be sitting in a dentist’s chair once every two months.

Instead, I decided to:

  • Visit my regular dentist every three months (instead of six)
  • Spend more time and care brushing my teeth
  • Floss thoroughly everyday
  • Gargle regularly with warm salty water
  • Gargle with the chlorhexadine gluconate as directed for eight weeks
  • Throw the fluoride rinse in the bin as, as far as I can see, it doesn’t help in any way whatsoever with gum disease; I think it’s used to help prevent fillings

I like my teeth, I want to keep them. I’ll see what my regular dentist has to say when I go and see her in January, but for now, this periodontal treatment is not for me.

Have you had this kind of treatment in Australia? Or where ever you live? Was it expensive? Was it worth it? Or, if you should have had it and didn’t, do you regret that? Or not? Let us know in the comments below…

Next week’s I’ll be discussing earwax removal; stay tuned!

teeth

Update January 2014: My periodontist was right about tooth number 26 though after all. Over the Christmas period, this tooth gave me a fair amount of discomfort. On Friday 27th of December I telephoned my dentist, more in hope than anything.

Yes, they were open, and after speaking to the receptionist she said “Oh dear. yes, the dentist can see you at 3:50 PM today, is that okay?”

Yes, it was, and by 4:30 PM tooth number 26 and I had parted company.

Update 2: May 2016

As I mentioned in the comments somewhere, I was lucky enough to be introduced to a student periodontist who was happy to practice his cleaning techniques on my teeth. As an unqualified student, his rates were much lower. Both Mrs Bob and myself went to see him during 2014, we both had about three visits with each lasting a couple of hours or so.

We ended up paying just under $700 each, so less than $1400 for both of us. We both think he did a very good job.

Bad Boy Bob

Of course, having been through that cleaning process, I was under strict instructions to brush my teeth twice a day and floss as well. I can do that, can’t I? Well yes, I did for a while, and then slowly fell into my old habits. Brushing once a day, skipping the flossing, that sort of thing.

Even worse, last year I had to cancel my six monthly dental appointment for very good reason, I had major surgery, as in Bob in Hospital. As I was recovering from the operation, which did take some time, my dental care routine got even worse.

Last week I finally got around to visiting the dentist for a regular checkup, the first for well over a year. I was expecting the worst, but instead I got quite a surprise.

My dentist, as usual, started by checking my gums. To my surprise, she told me it was all looking very good. She said she needed to do a quick clean, but it was very quick, I’m sure it didn’t last more than 10 minutes. All done.

She was so impressed with the condition of my gums and my teeth that she said “Are you doing something different? Have you changed your diet?

Well it certainly wasn’t the amount of care and attention I was putting into keeping my teeth clean, or the flossing which I had pretty much stopped doing completely, or my diet. There was only one answer.

Philips Sonicare DiamondClean

In January 2015, a few months after that young student had done a cleanup on my teeth, I purchased a new electronic toothbrush, a Philips Sonicare DiamondClean.

Make no mistake, this is possibly the most expensive toothbrush in the whole wide world. I think I paid $259 for mine, but I was very impressed. We immediately purchased another one for Mrs Bob, but I was lucky enough to get that one online for $179. We also bought the children’s version of the toothbrush for Elizabeth.

That’s the only difference, my toothbrush.

I know some of you might think I have been sponsored by Philips to say this and as we speak they are depositing thousands of dollars into my offshore bank account.

Yeah, I wish.

I genuinely believe that this toothbrush has made a massive difference to the health of my teeth and gums. Any of you who are still struggling with gum disease should really consider paying up for one of these toothbrushes, you won’t be disappointed.

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  • Ben May 16, 2016, 4:12 pm | Link

    I can’t believe after two years of reading updates that this was all an ad for Philips! 😉 Seriously though, thanks for the tip. I’ll check out reviews and get one.

    • BobinOz May 17, 2016, 5:21 pm | Link

      Ha ha, subliminal advertising is old hat, ‘Long play’ advertising in which extreme patience is the key is the big new thing; write an article, wait a few years, and then introduce the advert.

      Now I just have to work out what to advertise on my other 1200 pages 🙂

      Yes, check out those reviews, and if you end up getting the toothbrush, let us know how it goes if you get the chance.

  • BobinOz May 16, 2016, 3:59 pm | Link

    Last week I went to the dentist for the first time in over a year, something quite extraordinary happened. So I have just added an update to this post, any of you who are still struggling with gum disease might want to check it out.

    Cheers, Bob

  • Robyn Castles March 6, 2016, 10:14 pm | Link

    I’ve just had the best dental experience of my life, in Bangkok, the week of February 4th, 2016. Used to have periodontal disease but have been rid of it with treatment. I had a planning & clean done at Bangkok Dental Hospital, Sukhumvit 49, Bangkok, without local anesthetic, painless too. I can highly commend & recommend this Government accredited Hospital that tends to all the embassy workers in Thailand. Had all my problematic Prosthodontic work finished & am totally happy with the price & the great outcome. That’s even after I had so much initial trouble with the unnamed Dentist last year, in Bangkok (retracted name) I was quoted $18,000 for the work in Melbourne & got it done for $8,000 in Bangkok. I hope you don’t have to extract the name & address of this Dentist/Hospital. People deserve to know where to go that’s cheap & of high standard compared to others. Thanks.

  • Robyn Castles July 3, 2015, 8:16 am | Link

    IN Melbourne, the University Dental Clinic is approx. half price for all requirements, yet it’s private. I’ve been attending an Orthodontist there as I’ve returned from overseas & after being treated very badly wanted to find an alternate option to finalise treatment. Be careful if you’re looking at traveling overseas for dental work. I’ve just returned from Name removed by admin Dental Clinic in Bangkok, Thailand, & had a CT Scan & other investigative treatments at the Melbourne University only to find that I’ve returned with three of four failed implants, one of which was implanted right into the root of the neighbouring tooth, ouch. Also, a non-vital tooth that now has a brand new crown requires removal -then there’s the gap to attend to. Much waste of money later, I say don’t go to Dr. Name removed by admin. If you air your grievances on his facebook page he’ll remove it quickly so it always appears that the customers are happy with lovely smiles but the inside story’s very different. I met people there who were very disappointed. One man had facial paralysis. Of the $18,000 spent, that’s exactly $9, 700 down the drain & more for work required to fix his mistakes.

    • BobinOz July 3, 2015, 9:41 pm | Link

      Sound advice Robyn, and I’m sorry I have had to remove the specific name of that dental clinic in Thailand. After all, you could be Dr Name removed by admin’s fiercest rival trying to slander his name :-), and anyway, I can’t afford to get sued.

      The point is a good one though and one I’ve mentioned as well here in the comments; it is a big risk when you go abroad for dental help, if it all goes wrong, who do you turn to? You don’t, you have to pay to dig yourself out.

      Looking for a university dental clinic is a much better option here in Australia and anyone who needs this kind of treatment should probably consider that first before going abroad.

      Thanks for your story, hope you get it all sorted out. Cheers, Bob

      • Deb October 8, 2015, 12:50 pm | Link

        Good site with great feedback on these money sucking periodontists. Bravery award goes to you for allowing a student to perform any periodontal cleaning. The procedure absolutely terrifies me, and I haven’t even been for consultation yet. I was told $280 for consultation, so that seems rather high compared to your $ mentioned. However, this person was recommended as being good. Would be interested to know statistics on those that opt not to spend thousands on periodontic work, did their teeth fall out a lot sooner. Did the $’s outlaid actually help longterm??? All the unknown answers. Have you got any good soup receipes?

        • BobinOz October 8, 2015, 8:35 pm | Link

          I know nothing about recipes, if it doesn’t come in a tin, I can’t cook it.

          I have to say that student did a fantastic job, I had no problem trusting him whatsoever. What the stats are on people who don’t bother with this treatment, who knows? In many ways it doesn’t matter, all you really want to know about, and me too, is will our teeth fall out?

          If they do, as you say, there is always soup.

    • steph March 5, 2016, 3:13 pm | Link

      Damn, just seen the above comment – can either of you somehow message me in regards to which clinic this was that you experienced a negative outcome. Im off to Thailand in the next few months for dental implants, in bangkok and now im concerned i may of made the wrong choice in my selection of clinics.

      • BobinOz March 6, 2016, 9:16 pm | Link

        For the reasons I’ve already mentioned in this thread, you can’t mention the name of the clinic publicly on this website. If anybody does want to send a message to Steph about this, please send it privately to my email and I will forward it on.

        You can find my details on my contact page, the link is in the footer of every page. Thanks, Bob

  • Trina M May 22, 2015, 8:28 pm | Link

    I have just stumbled on your website, reeling from the diagnosis today of severe periodontal disease. I have gum bleeding when brushing, but no other symptoms that I was aware of, so I am horrified at what the periodontist has told me I now have to go through, not to mention the cost!! 4 x 45 min sessions, with local anesthetic in each tooth at a cost of $1870. Then he says I will probably need surgery (access flaps or something which sounds hideous!!) at goodness knows what cost. He hasn’t suggested any treatments I might be able to do at home to try to help the problem. I have been reading about salt water, mouthwashes, and vitamins which may help, but nothing concrete. Can anyone suggest treatment that may help prevent the surgery? I don’t want to line the dentists pocket any more than I have to, as can’t really afford that, but don’t want to loose my teeth. Overseas is an option but as a single mum with kids, not a good option at the moment. Then there is the ongoing treatment every 3 months for the rest of my life…..I am not a cash cow!! Very distressed by this diagnosis……any help or suggestions are appreciated 🙂

    • BobinOz May 24, 2015, 8:39 pm | Link

      That’s pretty much the same position I found myself in Trina, but I was lucky, I found it orthodontist student who did a lot of work for me much cheaper, see my reply to Ben here.

      That’s all I can suggest really, try and find a student, maybe call some local dentists or even find out where orthodontists get their training and give them a call, see if any of them are getting some practical work experience in a local dentist surgery somewhere.

      Abroad is an option, but it’s risky in my view, that’s been mentioned as well in the above comments.

      Good luck, Bob

      • AussieDave May 25, 2015, 3:44 am | Link

        Hi Bob,

        As always straight up no BS advice.
        I’d be following that lead and getting on the phone. Most if not all capital cities have a dental hospital, where student dentists complete their final year of training. I’m sure there are similar places where orthodontists/hygenists complete their basic training – orthodontists are Dr dentists with specialist training.

        As they say, ask and yea may receive. Don’t ask, get nothing!

        cheers

        Dave

        • BobinOz May 25, 2015, 9:29 pm | Link

          Thanks AussieDave and yes, I think one or two phone calls could yield results. Just like hairdressers, these people have to start training on real humans at some point before they finally qualify, so I would imagine they are out there, just need to find them.

          • AussieDave May 26, 2015, 12:46 pm | Link

            YVW Bob 🙂

            One question mate – “real humans”… are they’re fake ones about?
            Sorry mate couldn’t help have a friendly dig at that 🙂

            • BobinOz May 26, 2015, 7:32 pm | Link

              Yes, they are about, I know a few 🙂

  • Danny Harcourt April 23, 2015, 2:19 pm | Link

    I’ve had pretty much the same experiences as Bob. I think as you get older and your gums recede, you become more prone to minute particles of food and plaque collecting around the gumline. I’ve begun flossing regularly and interdental brushing. I also bought a dental spray, as I was getting pain in an area up the back, where the gum between my two back teeth has gone. My conclusion is that like doctors, dentists live very well, however unlike mainstream medical needs, our gums and teeth are not considered important; health funds and government assistance doesn’t go far. I notice a difference if I fail to clean immediately after eating. I’m considering having an extended holiday in Malaysia, and getting work done there.

    • BobinOz April 23, 2015, 8:27 pm | Link

      Or it’s just part of getting old 🙂

      Yes, I think quite a few people travel to places like Thailand and Malaysia to get the work done, and a few of my readers have written about it in the comments above. I have thought about it, but I was lucky in that I was able to get some pretty good work done here by a student orthodontist.

      That meant I was charged dentist rates which are much cheaper. He did a really good job all from the safety and comfort of my regular dentists offices which he used on the Saturday’s.

      I’m sure the vast majority of people who seek treatment abroad get a good job done at a bargain price. But as Dave pointed out (Dececember 2013) in these threads, what happens when things go wrong? That’s when you want to be on home soil.

      It’s a fair point.

  • leonie April 6, 2015, 7:31 pm | Link

    Hi smf, fluoride is a scam affecting our sovereign rights and health and conforming unconsciously by trusting the authority of an Australian Health Department may have serious health consequences for all – if you read all the literature on fluoride on what it does to the body and your immune system you would ditch it immediately. Highly toxic (especially in our drinking water – depending upon where you live). There are massive amounts of scientifically proven evidence that fluoridation does not prevent tooth decay! It has been scientifically proven that fluoridation gives a host of untoward effects, like the mounting cancer death rate and the statistically proven lowering of the IQ in children who are born and grow up in fluoridated regions. Without awareness first, there is no choice, it’s just habit and conditioning. Think for yourself – don’t follow the crowd – get informed, question, question, question.

  • Thao March 23, 2015, 6:28 pm | Link

    Dear Bob,
    I was so sad after visiting a periodontist today and by typing “periodontist so costly” in the Google, I found your website…great, at least my horrible teeth/gum brought something good for me…just looked through few posts, I felt your website very useful for me…Actually, I forwarded to two of my friend this post to read for fun and to other two friends your post about migration advice…Thanks Bob…
    Back to periodontist…I had gum bleeding and having puss few month ago and I came to see a dentist…She suspected that I might have gum problems but suggested me to do some fillings (4) and cleaning whole teeth first to see whether it helps..All cost me more than $1000 but the gum was still not OK so she referred me to see periodontist…$150 for initial consultation and then an appointment for 45-min clean-up with $630…luckily he mentioned that I might not need a surgery to stitch my gum something, which I guess will cost > $1000 as your case…
    Great if you or others can introduce some students in final year which can do a good job as your case…I’m based in Brisbane…
    Thank you in advance!

    • BobinOz March 24, 2015, 4:44 pm | Link

      Glad you arrived at my website and that you found interesting, hope your friends do as well.

      Yes, I have to say, that student did both me and Mrs Bob a great service, we each went to see him about three times and I don’t reckon we spent more than $700 each for all of those visits. We got a bit back from Medicare on each occasion, so that helps.

      Alas, the student has now gone back to studying and is no longer available, I actually think we are very lucky with our timing to have been able to use him.

      I think maybe a solution could be to find the nearest periodontal college or university to where you live and give them a call. Just ask them, say you’ve been to a professional periodontist and the fees quoted were simply too high, and ask if there is a student available who is interested in a bit of paid practice.

      If there is, I think that student would have to find a properly set up dentist to work with, our student just worked Saturday’s from my dentists premises. It’s a long shot, but worth a try.

      Hope you get it sorted, Bob

  • Ben October 31, 2014, 11:29 pm | Link

    Thanks for sharing your experience. I arrived at your blog post after searching for periodontal costs in Australia. My experience was that I had bleeding and tender gums for years, with overseas dentists trying very hard to solve it by thorough cleaning, but to no avail.
    The first dentist I visited back in Australia immediately recognised that the problems were deeper than a dentist could solve, and referred me to a periodontist. I was glad, and appreciate that something needed to be done.

    All was good. I had the non-surgical periodontal treatment over four 30-minute sessions at $350 a pop. With the initial consultation and follow-up, the costs came to $2,100, before partial coverage by medical insurance.

    The periodontist treatment has worked well and I was very happy with the periodontist. The concern I have (hence searching in the first place) is that he wants me to visit for checks and ‘maintaining the foundations’ on a four-monthly basis indefinitely.

    I don’t want to lose any teeth. But the idea of uncomfortable and expensive visits three times a year, above the biannual visit to the dentist, isn’t a pleasant one. I’d love to buy a caravan, to travel far-and-wide with the kids and see us into retirement. If my life expectancy is as I hope, the periodontal maintenance will cost much more than the caravan. It seems ‘rich’ to me that after years in the non-periodontel wilderness, that I need to have checks and treatment three times a year to keep my teeth.

    • BobinOz November 3, 2014, 4:34 pm | Link

      That’s the exact same problem I had with them Ben, the follow-ups. The periodontist I visited wanted me to go every three months, that’s way too much. A nice little earner for him, but I’m not so sure. Is not just the money either, who wants to go to the dentist that often?

      I was lucky in the end, my regular dentist put me in touch with a student periodontist who is currently going through university and approaching his final year. He was working part-time on Saturdays and I ended up having four appointments with him over the period of about eight months where he systematically cleaned up my teeth and did quite a thorough job.

      He has now done all he can do, and my action plan going forward is to just see my regular dentist every four months and have her clean my teeth up as best as she can. I now floss every day as well, and I’m pleased to announce that I haven’t noticed any bleeding of the gums for many months now. So that’s as good as it’s going to get for me and my teeth, we’ll just have to see how we cope going forward, I’m just not up for paying the equivalent of just over $100 a month to a periodontist.

      Like yourself, I’ve got better things to spend that money on. Everyone has to make their own decision about this kind of thing though, sounds like your decision might well be similar to mine.

      Good luck, Bob

  • Ashikaweymouth June 6, 2014, 11:34 pm | Link

    The price for dental in aus is crazy. I do have periodontal disease and I keep putting off going to the dentist because of the cost. I just can not afford it last I went it cost $150 and that’s just for cleaning and her telling me I had that disease. I am a single mum were the hell am I going to pul $$$$ out to pay for it.

    • BobinOz June 9, 2014, 11:28 pm | Link

      And you are lucky, $150? That’s cheap 🙂

      What are they quoting you for the full treatment? Have they given you figure?

  • BobinOz January 9, 2014, 12:45 pm | Link

    It is with great sadness that I have to announce that tooth number 26 is no more. Please see the update at the foot of this post.

    Bob

  • yash January 7, 2014, 4:38 pm | Link

    Hey guys, thanks fort this insightful writing! Well my dad got this bad case of periodontal problems. Here in Australia, I live in Perth, it is HELL EXPENSIVE to go to the dentist!!! He really needs to see a good periodontist to get this treated but it costs so much money… to put it clear- can’t afford that much 🙁

    All the people here Australia, does anyone of you know a good periodontist who charges good affordable prices? In Perth? I really need your help guys! Thank you 🙂

    • BobinOz January 7, 2014, 8:49 pm | Link

      Well, not my periodontist, obviously 🙂

  • Dave December 22, 2013, 12:54 pm | Link

    Hi smf,
    Thanks for feedback and info 🙂
    I got hooked up to the net in 95′ and was paying $5/h on a 28.8k dial-up. 1’st month ran up a bill of $1K. These days that would cover my bill for almost 2 years, not to mention my average d/l speed is 1.5Mbit/sec. As an inquiring mind, I’d have though with so many Dentists these days, the cost of materials/equipment would have decreased. Just saying 🙂

    Cheers, Dave

  • smf December 19, 2013, 11:34 pm | Link

    Hey Bob! Dentist here!
    1) Dentistry in aus is expensive!
    2) Don’t throw away the fluoride! We love fluoride, you should too :-). With gum disease the necks of your teeth become exposed and are at risk of developing cavities, your fluoride mouthwash will help prevent that. Tooth 26 has three roots and the area between them is terribly hard to keep clean, fluoride will help prevent decay in hard to reach places.
    3) Different dentists will suggest different treatments for the same condition.
    4) Get a second opinion from another periodontist.
    5) Go with your gut feelings on whom to trust!
    6) The earlier you start your treatment the better. You don’t want to wait until its too late. I don’t know what the prices are in aus but saving your own teeth is always financially and physiologically better than placing artificial teeth in the long run.

    If you have any questions let me know :-). PS. Love the website!

    • BobinOz December 20, 2013, 2:27 pm | Link

      Hi smf

      Thanks for the extra tips, very helpful. I think you have made a very important point as well, and that is for me to do something about this because, even though the prices may be very steep, life without my own teeth wouldn’t be much fun so I’d need to do whatever I can keep them attached.

      Will definitely be getting that second opinion in January.

      Cheers, and glad to hear that you love the website.

      Bob

    • Dave December 20, 2013, 6:07 pm | Link

      Hi smf,

      Why is dentistry so expensive in Australia?

      Cheers
      Dave

      • smf December 22, 2013, 1:25 am | Link

        Hi Dave.
        Dentistry is expensive because the materials are very costly, it takes a lot of money to become a dentist, running a small business is a constant headache with a lot of red tape involved, you need to setup various aspects according to the guidelines provided. Plus you have to hire highly trained staff, pay for thr training, keep them updated on immunizations. Dentists have to provide there own post retirement funds. Oh and don’t forget malpractise insurance! And a million other factors 🙂

  • Dave December 19, 2013, 11:14 pm | Link

    Hi Bob,
    I don’t have a gum disorder but I’ve always had teeth problems. My dad had all his out at 23; he’d be 92 if he was still around today. Point all this is, shop around mate. I’ve had quotes which I’m sure are paying for four brand new tires on the Porsche. I’ve shopped around and saved $1,000’s. I find the Asian dentists are excellent. I ditched to toffy nosed boutique dentist suites for less lavish surroundings and came up trumps. Fact is, they’re qualified for Australian standards so it’s not like going cheap is like visiting shonky brothers or alike.

    Cheers
    Dave

    • BobinOz December 20, 2013, 2:23 pm | Link

      Hi Dave

      I will definitely be getting a couple of other periodontist to have a look and give me their costs, only problem with that is that most charge $180 for the consultation, that’s the cost of one good tyre for my car 🙂

      I am also going to talk to my regular dentist in January, she’s Asian incidently, to see what she thinks. I’ve even heard some people in Australia travel to Thailand for dentistry and have a good holiday at the same time, maybe I’ll look into that as well.

      Cheers, Bob

      • Dave December 20, 2013, 6:12 pm | Link

        Hi Bob,

        Yeah I’ve heard of people going to Thailand and Malaysia. The only thing which would concern me, is if anything went wrong with a procedure. While screw ups can happen anywhere, I’d rather be on home turf. Just saying 😉

        Cheers

        Dave

        • BobinOz December 20, 2013, 10:36 pm | Link

          That’s what I thought as well, it’s a long way to go back if there’s a problem.

          • BB November 19, 2014, 2:41 pm | Link

            Hi Bob

            My family and i had a stop over in Bangkok on our way to Europe and decided to get our teeth look at, clean and 2 of my wisdom teeth out. The place was clean, professional and all the staff were friendly and spoke good english. The bill came to NZ$380 for my partner and i, thats including painkillers for me. Been recommended to us by our thai friend. Midtown, easy to get to. Will definitely go back again! Going to leave you the link, incase you are heading that way.

            http://www.primadentalclinic.com/

            Do a stopover in BKK next time on your way to England. Save lots of money
            🙂

            • BobinOz November 19, 2014, 7:05 pm | Link

              Hi BB, thanks for the tip, I’m pretty sure we’ve all heard the pros and cons of getting treatment in Thailand, it’s nice to hear from someone who’s been through it and had a positive experience.

              For the rest of my readers (and for my own comfort) I did check your IP address just to make sure you weren’t based in Thailand 🙂 as it wouldn’t be the first time somebody placed a little advert like this for their own business.

              I can confirm you are definitely from New Zealand (hope you didn’t mind me checking) so this really is a genuine recommendation.

              Thanks for taking the time to let us know, hopefully it will help somebody out. Although if I go I won’t be on my way to England, I have no great desire to go there for a holiday, too many other places in the world I’ve not yet seen.

              Cheers, Bob

  • Nick December 12, 2013, 11:53 am | Link

    I also have gum disease and have a good few years on you Bob. While in the UK, my dentist told me over many years that I had gingivitis and that I needed to see the dental hygienist every 3 months to have a scale and polish. I has never offered a referral to a Periodontist, maybe because I was using an NHS dentist. Eventual 2 molars became loose and had to be removed. I arrived in Australia 21 months ago and after 12 months went for a dental checkup where I was told that a molar on the other side was now not viable and needed to be removed and I was also referred to a Periodontist.

    The costs there were $300 for a consultation and then $1360 for deep cleaning of the whole mouth, done in two 45 min sessions. This was followed by a further $300 consultation to check progress (good). I have another consultation after 6 months and assuming all is well I expect to have an annual consultation thereafter. So, a total of $2260 in the first year with a $370 rebate from my health insurance.

    Expensive but not as dear as your quote and as I’ve already lost some teeth I’m keen to hang on to the rest even if it does cost a bit. At least here I feel that something is being done whereas my NHS treatment seemed more like supervised neglect.

    Good luck with your self treatment.

    • BobinOz December 13, 2013, 2:05 pm | Link

      Thanks for the price comparison Nick. Yes, your costs do appear to be well below mine, but then your periodontist only did two 45 minutes sessions, mine is suggesting two three-hour sessions.

      Either my guy is much slower than yours, or my guy is milking it a bit, or even scarier for me, my teeth are three times worse than yours 🙂

      What I am going to do though is get a second opinion and I’ll be talking to my regular dentist in January when I next visit to ask her who else she can suggest. I’ll also be interested to hear what she says about my tooth number 26, because last time she looked at it she described it as being “very solid”, as in not wobbling at all. It will be interesting to see if she thinks it should be immediately removed as well.

      Cheers, Bob

      • Nick December 14, 2013, 11:28 am | Link

        I was told that if the first two 45 min sessions didn’t fix the problem, there was a more intensive (more expensive) option that would be recommended. Perhaps your guy is bundling the treatments into one.

        • BobinOz December 16, 2013, 2:27 pm | Link

          Yes, that would make sense; I’ve heard there are two kinds of treatments, I think the more expensive one requires the gums to be cut and peeled back and then stitched back in place. That’s probably the difference between what you have had and what I have been quoted for, possibly.

      • Julie Douglas March 23, 2015, 10:03 pm | Link

        Hi Bob,

        I have been told I have gum disease. I got charged initially $280 for consultation and analysis and then going 2 have 2 sessions of deep clean which will cost me $1800 and then a third maintenance one after 3 months which will be $460. So it’s pretty much around the same ball park figure. But what I have heard is that it is cheaper to do your teeth in Asia and you could still have a good holiday included in the amount it cost you to maintain your teeth in Australia. I am Indian by origin and so I am getting a second opinion and how much it would cost me in India. And if it is cheaper I plan to go back, visit my mother have a bit of holiday and get my teeth done all in the amount it would cost me to go to a periodontist in Australia. And dentistry in Asia is considered good. So you not only will get a reasobable price but also a good job done and a bonus of a holiday paid with expenses included. The only thing is you need to know someone who can refer you to a good periodontist out there.

        • BobinOz March 24, 2015, 5:22 pm | Link

          Hi Julie

          With massive reservations, I kind of agree with you, I’ve heard exactly the same thing. As you have so rightly pointed out though, the trick is knowing somebody who can refer you to a good periodontist out there.

          I would like to wager, although I don’t know and I’m guessing, that for every good periodontist they have that there is at least another very bad one. Maybe the odds are better or worse, I don’t know. The danger is, there are no guarantees and that’s why it’s essential to get a very good and solid recommendation.

          There was a story on the news just last night, a young woman went on ‘holiday’ to Mexico, she died there in hospital under strange circumstances. Turns out she was having some minor cosmetic surgery in there, so clearly she had gone to Mexico have a holiday and to save some money. Instead, she lost her life.

          Even worse, she had no insurance, so her parents need to pay something like $20,000 to bring her back home. Of course, they don’t have that kind of money.

          A cautionary tale for sure.

          Bottom line is get an absolutely solid recommendation from a very trusted friend. Or, think about it good and hard, and decide how important to you it really is to save $3000 (at most).

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